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    John did not sexually abuse JonBenet

    Do these descriptions of JonBenet's behaviour made by people outside of the family sound as though JonBenet was being sexually abused by her father?


    Barbara Kostanick the mother of one of JonBenet's friends is quoted in PMPT as saying:

    "JonBenet seemed resentful that her father traveled so much. Not really angry, just sad. She really liked him a lot."


    Also in PMPT there is an account by Brian Scott the gardener of a conversation he had with JonBenet when he was in the garden raking up the leaves while JonBenet was with him:

    “Last year my Dad and I did that.”
    And then she said quietly; “I really miss him. I wish he was around more.”
    “Where does he go?”
    “I don't know. But sometimes he goes away for a long time.”
    “You really miss him?”
    “Yeah, I really miss him a lot.”

    Then she started to cry, tears rolling down her cheeks.


    IMO if John had been sexually molesting JonBenet the times he was away would have been the only times she felt safe and she would be wishing he would stay a lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiesheila
    Do these descriptions of JonBenet's behaviour made by people outside of the family sound as though JonBenet was being sexually abused by her father?


    Barbara Kostanick the mother of one of JonBenet's friends is quoted in PMPT as saying:

    "JonBenet seemed resentful that her father traveled so much. Not really angry, just sad. She really liked him a lot."


    Also in PMPT there is an account by Brian Scott the gardener of a conversation he had with JonBenet when he was in the garden raking up the leaves while JonBenet was with him:

    “Last year my Dad and I did that.”
    And then she said quietly; “I really miss him. I wish he was around more.”
    “Where does he go?”
    “I don't know. But sometimes he goes away for a long time.”
    “You really miss him?”
    “Yeah, I really miss him a lot.”

    Then she started to cry, tears rolling down her cheeks.


    IMO if John had been sexually molesting JonBenet the times he was away would have been the only times she felt safe and she would be wishing he would stay a lot more.
    I wouldn't put it past Patsy to have been sexually abusing JonBenet. There was quite an interesting post a while back re that (I can't remember the poster at the moment).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiesheila
    Do these descriptions of JonBenet's behaviour made by people outside of the family sound as though JonBenet was being sexually abused by her father?


    Barbara Kostanick the mother of one of JonBenet's friends is quoted in PMPT as saying:

    "JonBenet seemed resentful that her father traveled so much. Not really angry, just sad. She really liked him a lot."


    Also in PMPT there is an account by Brian Scott the gardener of a conversation he had with JonBenet when he was in the garden raking up the leaves while JonBenet was with him:

    “Last year my Dad and I did that.”
    And then she said quietly; “I really miss him. I wish he was around more.”
    “Where does he go?”
    “I don't know. But sometimes he goes away for a long time.”
    “You really miss him?”
    “Yeah, I really miss him a lot.”

    Then she started to cry, tears rolling down her cheeks.


    IMO if John had been sexually molesting JonBenet the times he was away would have been the only times she felt safe and she would be wishing he would stay a lot more.
    I have often read stories of young girls molested but their daddy's and it seemed to me that they were very close to them it seems weird but almost like a relationship other then father and daughter, in the childs eyes. Like I could totally see a young girl feeling that she did miss the abuser because when you are 5 or 6 you really dont know what is wrong when an adult is abusing you, you actually think its ok. Thats just my opinion.....

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    I don't think John was abusing her. He didn't abuse Beth or Melinda and wouldn't you think you could look to his past behavior. I'm leaning more towards Patsy, BR, or JAR. Also, if JR was sexually frustrated like I think he was, he would have gotten it from someone else. Patsy was threatened enough to mention the blonde ***** down the street and he was away on a lot of trips. I never thought he abused her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellen13
    I don't think John was abusing her. He didn't abuse Beth or Melinda and wouldn't you think you could look to his past behavior. I'm leaning more towards Patsy, BR, or JAR. Also, if JR was sexually frustrated like I think he was, he would have gotten it from someone else. Patsy was threatened enough to mention the blonde ***** down the street and he was away on a lot of trips. I never thought he abused her.
    I dont think he did either, I dont think patsy did maybe burke??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellen13
    I don't think John was abusing her. He didn't abuse Beth or Melinda and wouldn't you think you could look to his past behavior. I'm leaning more towards Patsy, BR, or JAR. Also, if JR was sexually frustrated like I think he was, he would have gotten it from someone else. Patsy was threatened enough to mention the blonde ***** down the street and he was away on a lot of trips. I never thought he abused her.
    The abuse could have been a form of punishment for toilet training issues. That's one possibilty.

    BUT, remember, John was very traumitized by Beth's death. Is it possible this trauma let to a change in John?

    My gut tells me it wasn't John. JMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia
    BUT, remember, John was very traumitized by Beth's death. Is it possible this trauma let to a change in John?

    My gut tells me it wasn't John. JMO.
    I agree with you that my gut says that as well. But Trauma will make people change and act in ways you never knew they were capable of......

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    I don't think you can take an isolated moment and use it to characterize a father-daughter relationship. I have had abuse survivors turn on me for naming their father as their abuser. I think there can be a disconnect between the father-daughter and the abuser-victim relationships.

    None of the principals in this case act like an innocent person would...they remain under suspicion in my mind, both jointly and separately.

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    Interesting website about abuse and potty training

    http://www.yourfamilyshealth.com/articles/potty.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinkiesmom
    I don't think you can take an isolated moment and use it to characterize a father-daughter relationship. I have had abuse survivors turn on me for naming their father as their abuser. I think there can be a disconnect between the father-daughter and the abuser-victim relationships.

    None of the principals in this case act like an innocent person would...they remain under suspicion in my mind, both jointly and separately.
    I agree, I do think John was JB's abuser. I also think possibly the reason he kept his older daughter's photo in his bathroom, after her death, was that he may have abused her too... JMHO!

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was Priscilla who called the woman a "blonde *****". She didn't like that the woman would look in at Priscilla's house when jogging and had made comments about Priscilla's unkempt house.

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    i think thomas said it was patsy who called the unnamed woman down the road a Blonde *****. a little Southern bit o' charm, Patsy had a neat turn of phrase they say

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissi
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was Priscilla who called the woman a "blonde *****". She didn't like that the woman would look in at Priscilla's house when jogging and had made comments about Priscilla's unkempt house.
    I'm sure it was Patsy who called the woman the "Blonde B*tch" during her first fight against cancer when she said she would fight the disease in order to stop this "blonde b*tch" getting her husband!
    This is only my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayelles
    I'm sure it was Patsy who called the woman the "Blonde B*tch" during her first fight against cancer when she said she would fight the disease in order to stop this "blonde b*tch" getting her husband!
    Where does all this info come from, is there a book I need to buy to read this??

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    Hang around this forum long enough and you find out everything you need to know
    There's lots of books on this case..PMPT is probably the most informative that I have read.
    I have only read a couple of them though.

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