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    Soldiers Accused Of Rape Murder In Iraq

    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rld&id=4321368

    However, a U.S. official close to the investigation said at least one of the soldiers, all assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment, has admitted his role and been arrested. Two soldiers from the same regiment were slain this month when they were kidnapped at a checkpoint near Youssifiyah.

    The official told the AP the accused soldiers were from the same platoon as the two slain soldiers. The military has said one and possibly both of the slain soldiers were tortured and beheaded.

    The official said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one of them to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Broad
    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...rld&id=4321368

    However, a U.S. official close to the investigation said at least one of the soldiers, all assigned to the 502nd Infantry Regiment, has admitted his role and been arrested. Two soldiers from the same regiment were slain this month when they were kidnapped at a checkpoint near Youssifiyah.

    The official told the AP the accused soldiers were from the same platoon as the two slain soldiers. The military has said one and possibly both of the slain soldiers were tortured and beheaded.

    The official said the mutilation of the slain soldiers stirred feelings of guilt and led at least one of them to reveal the rape-slaying on June 22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wudge
    I support the war, but such acts really hurts us.
    I totally agree Wudge-I'm completely dismayed to hear so many things about American soldiers behaving badly during this war. Not only does it damage the reputation of our contry in the world's eyes but it casts a shadow over all the men and women who are serving and acting like real soldiers do.


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    My good friend's husband is over there, and this is his regiment and unit. She said she got an email from him a few days ago in which he was ranting about the stupid guys in his unit doing something horrible and that it was in the news and she'd hear about it, and how he wanted out of that unit. She had told me the two murdered soldiers had been from his unit, so when I heard these guys were, too, I emailed her. She doesn't watch the news b/c she doesn't want to worry more than she does, so she emailed me back with, "So THAT'S what he was so mad about."

    It's terrible and does make us look awful!!


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    With the number of soldiers in Iraq. and the situation our soldiers are in, it would be unusual if things like this didn't happen. It sends out a very bad message but it's wishful thinking to think that things like this aren't going to happen when soldiers are subjected to the stresses of war. Probably especially so when the very population they are supposed to be helping, don't even want them there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    With the number of soldiers in Iraq. and the situation our soldiers are in, it would be unusual if things like this didn't happen. It sends out a very bad message but it's wishful thinking to think that things like this aren't going to happen when soldiers are subjected to the stresses of war. Probably especially so when the very population they are supposed to be helping, don't even want them there.

    Right Buzz, we have to expect to hear such things; it would be unrealistic to expect otherwise. But when I do hear such things, I still just have to shake my head and suspect that I always will.
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    GIs may have planned Iraq rape, slayings

    BEIJI, Iraq - Investigators believe a group of U.S. soldiers suspected of raping an Iraqi woman, then killing her and three members of her family plotted the attack for nearly a week, a U.S. military official said Saturday. Up to five soldiers are being investigated in the March killings, the fifth pending case involving alleged slayings of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops.

    The Americans entered the Sunni Arab's family home, separated three males from the woman, raped her and burned her body using a flammable liquid in a cover-up attempt, a military official close to the investigation said. The three males were also slain.

    The soldiers had studied their victims for about a week and the attack was "totally premeditated," the official said on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. The family had just moved into the home in the insurgent-riddled area around Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad.

    The U.S. military issued a terse statement about the killings Friday, saying only that Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged slaying of a family of four in Mahmoudiya.

    U.S. officials said they knew of the deaths but thought the victims were killed in sectarian violence. But Mahmoudiya police Capt. Ihsan Abdul-Rahman said Iraqi officials received a report on March 13 alleging that American soldiers had killed the family in the Khasir Abyad area, about 6 miles north of Mahmoudiya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    GIs may have planned Iraq rape, slayings

    BEIJI, Iraq - Investigators believe a group of U.S. soldiers suspected of raping an Iraqi woman, then killing her and three members of her family plotted the attack for nearly a week, a U.S. military official said Saturday. Up to five soldiers are being investigated in the March killings, the fifth pending case involving alleged slayings of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops.

    The Americans entered the Sunni Arab's family home, separated three males from the woman, raped her and burned her body using a flammable liquid in a cover-up attempt, a military official close to the investigation said. The three males were also slain.

    The soldiers had studied their victims for about a week and the attack was "totally premeditated," the official said on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. The family had just moved into the home in the insurgent-riddled area around Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad.

    The U.S. military issued a terse statement about the killings Friday, saying only that Maj. Gen. James D. Thurman, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, ordered a criminal investigation into the alleged slaying of a family of four in Mahmoudiya.

    U.S. officials said they knew of the deaths but thought the victims were killed in sectarian violence. But Mahmoudiya police Capt. Ihsan Abdul-Rahman said Iraqi officials received a report on March 13 alleging that American soldiers had killed the family in the Khasir Abyad area, about 6 miles north of Mahmoudiya.

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    If true, it was as bad an act as one could imagine. It would beg for a firing squad (or whatever execution method is used by the armed services these days).
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    I hesitated to post this thread at first because I had mixed emotions due to it involving U.S. soldiers. I wouldn't have had a second thought if it had been just regular citizens, but hate that it casts such a bad light towards a very few in our armes forces.
    I wonder if there are other people reading who hesitate to make comments because of feelings of disloyalty if they do?
    I think it's important to understand that if what is being accused did happen, it's a horrible brutal crime and the people responsible should and need to be punished. There are victims who deserve justice and I hope all of the truth can be uncovered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Broad
    I hesitated to post this thread at first because I had mixed emotions due to it involving U.S. soldiers. I wouldn't have had a second thought if it had been just regular citizens, but hate that it casts such a bad light towards a very few in our armes forces.
    I wonder if there are other people reading who hesitate to make comments because of feelings of disloyalty if they do?
    I think it's important to understand that if what is being accused did happen, it's a horrible brutal crime and the people responsible should and need to be punished. There are victims who deserve justice and I hope all of the truth can be uncovered.

    Old Broad
    It was an excellent post, very thought provoking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    GIs may have planned Iraq rape, slayings

    The Americans entered the Sunni Arab's family home, separated three males from the woman, raped her and burned her body using a flammable liquid in a cover-up attempt, a military official close to the investigation said. The three males were also slain.

    http://tinyurl.com/phx9m
    It sounds from this part that the women was burned alive! It doesn't say "raped and killed" first.

    I'm also glad you posted the article, Old Broad. No matter if it is our soldiers, it is still a horrible crime that should be prosecuted. Thank goodness someone had a conscience and reported it.

    I agree that these types of things happen when you have this situation of a war with confusion about who is the enemy and young men who have been trained to kill under enormous pressure.

    Still, it does not reflect on all the men in that unit, or certainly in all the forces over there, who are doing the best they can under very hard conditions, and trying to help the Iraqis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wudge
    Right Buzz, we have to expect to hear such things; it would be unrealistic to expect otherwise.
    We should not expect to hear such things and we should not feel disloyal for condemming these mens behavior. What they did was a disgrace. There are thousands of military members serving in Iraq and dealing with the conflicting emotions that being in a combat situation entails without resorting to rape and murder. They need to be locked up like the POS(s) they are.


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    I just heard that there has been charges against a discharged soldier connected with this this case, this must be the one mentioned before that since the rape/murder had been discharged and back in the U.S. No details yet of where or how the arrest happened.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

    Have found a link. Article has a lot of details.

    The Washington Post reported Monday that the rape victim was a 15-year-old girl and that her mother had worried her daughter had attracted the attention of U.S. soldiers at a checkpoint. The mother asked a neighbor if the girl could sleep at his house.

    The neighbor, Omar Janabi, agreed but the girl and her family were attacked the next day -- March 11, according to the Post.



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    This is such a horrible and disgusting story. Thank god one of the soldiers who wasn't involved told someone what happened. This makes me sick to my stomach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Broad
    I just heard that there has been charges against a discharged soldier connected with this this case, this must be the one mentioned before that since the rape/murder had been discharged and back in the U.S. No details yet of where or how the arrest happened.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

    Have found a link. Article has a lot of details.

    The Washington Post reported Monday that the rape victim was a 15-year-old girl and that her mother had worried her daughter had attracted the attention of U.S. soldiers at a checkpoint. The mother asked a neighbor if the girl could sleep at his house.

    The neighbor, Omar Janabi, agreed but the girl and her family were attacked the next day -- March 11, according to the Post.



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    That kid is certainly one very sick puppy. I am going to be surprised if he isn't sentenced to death, let alone all of them. The pre-meditated crimes he, and the others, committed are abominable. To know that they planned this is just completely mind-boggling.


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