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    NC - Kelly Lane Smith, dismembered, Asheville, 29 July 2006


    Mystery of bones found in river gets clearer
    Details released about French Broad remains


    by Andre A. Rodriguez, ARODRIGUEZ@CITIZEN-TIMES.COM
    published August 8, 2006 12:15 am
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    ASHEVILLE — The human skull and other bones discovered in the French Broad River belonged to a woman who was white and 21 to 50 years old, Asheville police said Monday.

    The woman at some point in her life also had undergone a craniotomy, or surgical incision into the skull, police said in releasing information from the Medical Examiner’s Office in Chapel Hill.

    ......http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pb...D=200660807071

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    I wonder if the operation was for a brain tumor? I wonder if this is a suicide.

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    Thank you for posting this. I was trying to find it. I am from NC and when I opened up my local newspaper online this morning there was an article about this. I left the front page to read another link and when I went back it was gone.

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    I'm in NC, too. I found this article:
    http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pb.../60808089/1009

    Woman out for walk finds body parts
    Remains could be linked to skull, bones found in French Broad River

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    What they have so far between the bones and body parts do not add up to a whole person-no where near. The article I linked says they are looking at people who disappeared less than eight weeks ago.

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    I believe that Duke University offers neurosurgery training, is the area where the body was found near that area? (I don't know NC very well!)...

    I guess why I ask is because I am wondering if they can tell if the craniotomy was performed in state or out of state? There are several reasons that this type of procedure is done, based on what I read, it is basically making an opening to get to the brain. I would guess that neurosurgeons would have records of this type of surgery, possibly making an ID easier? (Or at least narrowing it down?)

    Thanks for letting me ask questions!

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    I thought this was interesting fromt he posted article:


    Murad said he was puzzled why examiners would come up with such a wide variance of ages.

    Twenty-one to 50 suggests to me that whoever looked at it doesn’t know much about trying to determine age from the skeleton because that’s a huge group,” Murad said.


    Soooo, why isn't someone with MORE experience working on this case, the person who gave these #'s it seems may not know what they are doing?

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    Also snips from article SewingDeb provided....


    Investigators are waiting for DNA tests to tell them if the remains match those found in the French Broad River a week earlier and a mile north.

    Police said the remains Smith found off West Haywood Street, near Roberts Street, are better preserved than the human skull and small number of bones discovered in the river July 31.


    So there are 2 sets of bones discovered and they are trying to see if they are from the same person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewingDeb
    I'm in NC, too. I found this article:
    I hope your weather has been better than ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyz_Mum
    I believe that Duke University offers neurosurgery training, is the area where the body was found near that area? (I don't know NC very well!)...
    Hi Boyz...Duke Univ is in Durham which is about 3 - 4 hours away from Asheville. With all these body parts though it's starting to sound like Durham. YIKES!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyz_Mum
    I believe that Duke University offers neurosurgery training, is the area where the body was found near that area? (I don't know NC very well!)...

    I guess why I ask is because I am wondering if they can tell if the craniotomy was performed in state or out of state? There are several reasons that this type of procedure is done, based on what I read, it is basically making an opening to get to the brain. I would guess that neurosurgeons would have records of this type of surgery, possibly making an ID easier? (Or at least narrowing it down?)

    Thanks for letting me ask questions!
    Asheville is in the mountains (western part of the state). Duke U. is in Durham, NC in the middle of the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448
    I thought this was interesting fromt he posted article:


    Murad said he was puzzled why examiners would come up with such a wide variance of ages.

    Twenty-one to 50 suggests to me that whoever looked at it doesn’t know much about trying to determine age from the skeleton because that’s a huge group,” Murad said.


    Soooo, why isn't someone with MORE experience working on this case, the person who gave these #'s it seems may not know what they are doing?
    I hope they are. Apparently there were only a skull and a small fraction of the bones found in the river. Maybe not enough to get all the info just from looking...even for an expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curious1
    I hope your weather has been better than ours.
    It's finally cooling off to just plain hot...I'm in the mountains and we're not used to it getting this hot for this long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448
    I thought this was interesting fromt he posted article:


    Murad said he was puzzled why examiners would come up with such a wide variance of ages.

    Twenty-one to 50 suggests to me that whoever looked at it doesn’t know much about trying to determine age from the skeleton because that’s a huge group,” Murad said.


    Soooo, why isn't someone with MORE experience working on this case, the person who gave these #'s it seems may not know what they are doing?
    The article doesn't tell what the "other bones" are that they found, so I assume they used the cranium for aging, but I have been taught to use the pelvis and sternal ends of ribs for aging when they are available.

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    Thanks for information about NC! I had read about Duke U. and their neurosurgery studies they have done in the past and that the skull had the markings of a previous neurosurgery. (My own neurosurgeon used a method that was slightly different in technique than some others used in my paricular surgery and that is why I wondered if they could use the "craniotomy" as a means to narrow the search for an ID?) I am thinking that since surgical techniques change over the years based on new technology, perhaps a doctor in that field could find something about the surgical markings that would offer a better time frame of the surgery or something like that as a basis of learning an identity. Sorry for rambling on and thanks for the geograpy lesson!

    Keep us updated please!

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