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http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200660807071
Mystery of bones found in river gets clearer
Details released about French Broad remains


by Andre A. Rodriguez, ARODRIGUEZ@CITIZEN-TIMES.COM
published August 8, 2006 12:15 am
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ASHEVILLE — The human skull and other bones discovered in the French Broad River belonged to a woman who was white and 21 to 50 years old, Asheville police said Monday.

The woman at some point in her life also had undergone a craniotomy, or surgical incision into the skull, police said in releasing information from the Medical Examiner’s Office in Chapel Hill.

......http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200660807071
 
I wonder if the operation was for a brain tumor? I wonder if this is a suicide.
 
Thank you for posting this. I was trying to find it. I am from NC and when I opened up my local newspaper online this morning there was an article about this. I left the front page to read another link and when I went back it was gone.
 
What they have so far between the bones and body parts do not add up to a whole person-no where near. The article I linked says they are looking at people who disappeared less than eight weeks ago.
 
I believe that Duke University offers neurosurgery training, is the area where the body was found near that area? (I don't know NC very well!)...

I guess why I ask is because I am wondering if they can tell if the craniotomy was performed in state or out of state? There are several reasons that this type of procedure is done, based on what I read, it is basically making an opening to get to the brain. I would guess that neurosurgeons would have records of this type of surgery, possibly making an ID easier? (Or at least narrowing it down?)

Thanks for letting me ask questions!
 
I thought this was interesting fromt he posted article:


Murad said he was puzzled why examiners would come up with such a wide variance of ages.

“Twenty-one to 50 suggests to me that whoever looked at it doesn’t know much about trying to determine age from the skeleton because that’s a huge group,” Murad said.


Soooo, why isn't someone with MORE experience working on this case, the person who gave these #'s it seems may not know what they are doing?
 
Also snips from article SewingDeb provided....


Investigators are waiting for DNA tests to tell them if the remains match those found in the French Broad River a week earlier and a mile north.

Police said the remains Smith found off West Haywood Street, near Roberts Street, are better preserved than the human skull and small number of bones discovered in the river July 31.


So there are 2 sets of bones discovered and they are trying to see if they are from the same person?
 
SewingDeb said:
I'm in NC, too. I found this article:
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I hope your weather has been better than ours.
 
Boyz_Mum said:
I believe that Duke University offers neurosurgery training, is the area where the body was found near that area? (I don't know NC very well!)...
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Hi Boyz...Duke Univ is in Durham which is about 3 - 4 hours away from Asheville. With all these body parts though it's starting to sound like Durham. YIKES!
 
Boyz_Mum said:
I believe that Duke University offers neurosurgery training, is the area where the body was found near that area? (I don't know NC very well!)...

I guess why I ask is because I am wondering if they can tell if the craniotomy was performed in state or out of state? There are several reasons that this type of procedure is done, based on what I read, it is basically making an opening to get to the brain. I would guess that neurosurgeons would have records of this type of surgery, possibly making an ID easier? (Or at least narrowing it down?)

Thanks for letting me ask questions!
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Asheville is in the mountains (western part of the state). Duke U. is in Durham, NC in the middle of the state.
 
christine2448 said:
I thought this was interesting fromt he posted article:


Murad said he was puzzled why examiners would come up with such a wide variance of ages.

“Twenty-one to 50 suggests to me that whoever looked at it doesn’t know much about trying to determine age from the skeleton because that’s a huge group,” Murad said.


Soooo, why isn't someone with MORE experience working on this case, the person who gave these #'s it seems may not know what they are doing?
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I hope they are. Apparently there were only a skull and a small fraction of the bones found in the river. Maybe not enough to get all the info just from looking...even for an expert.
 
curious1 said:
I hope your weather has been better than ours.
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It's finally cooling off to just plain hot...I'm in the mountains and we're not used to it getting this hot for this long.
 
christine2448 said:
I thought this was interesting fromt he posted article:


Murad said he was puzzled why examiners would come up with such a wide variance of ages.

“Twenty-one to 50 suggests to me that whoever looked at it doesn’t know much about trying to determine age from the skeleton because that’s a huge group,” Murad said.


Soooo, why isn't someone with MORE experience working on this case, the person who gave these #'s it seems may not know what they are doing?
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The article doesn't tell what the "other bones" are that they found, so I assume they used the cranium for aging, but I have been taught to use the pelvis and sternal ends of ribs for aging when they are available.
 
Thanks for information about NC! I had read about Duke U. and their neurosurgery studies they have done in the past and that the skull had the markings of a previous neurosurgery. (My own neurosurgeon used a method that was slightly different in technique than some others used in my paricular surgery and that is why I wondered if they could use the "craniotomy" as a means to narrow the search for an ID?) I am thinking that since surgical techniques change over the years based on new technology, perhaps a doctor in that field could find something about the surgical markings that would offer a better time frame of the surgery or something like that as a basis of learning an identity. Sorry for rambling on and thanks for the geograpy lesson!

Keep us updated please!
 
Boyz_Mum said:
Thanks for information about NC! I had read about Duke U. and their neurosurgery studies they have done in the past and that the skull had the markings of a previous neurosurgery. (My own neurosurgeon used a method that was slightly different in technique than some others used in my paricular surgery and that is why I wondered if they could use the "craniotomy" as a means to narrow the search for an ID?) I am thinking that since surgical techniques change over the years based on new technology, perhaps a doctor in that field could find something about the surgical markings that would offer a better time frame of the surgery or something like that as a basis of learning an identity. Sorry for rambling on and thanks for the geograpy lesson!

Keep us updated please!
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It makes sense and even though Duke is pretty far away, patients are sent there a lot of times.
 
Sewing Deb: Hope it cools down for you soon. We are having a cold snap here...a high of only 88 today. :D


Boyz: It would not be unusual for anyone in NC or surrounding states to be sent to Duke for specific things. My nephew lives on the coast and he routinely sees a specialist in Durham. Ditto for my Dad. That's a 3 hour trip and they make it a shopping trip since they live in a very small coastal town. Head up for the appt in the AM, do some shopping that night stay at a hotel and head back down sometime the next day.
 
Thanks for putting up with my questions and answering them! Sometimes I think way outside the box (or way outside the planet)...?

I hope that they can identify this person because no one deserves to be laid to rest without their identity.
 
Glad to help and nothin' to apologize for sweetie.
 
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