Nedthan Johns
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Well well, Patsy isnt around any longer. What a shame she hadnt taken the time in the last 10 years to help the police solve the mystery of who murdered her little girl. I found some very strange comments from her sister, and the fact that Patsy wanted her legacy to be the fact she brought attention to ovarian cancer? Howd she do that? By the fact she was simply known as a prime suspect in the murder of her daughter and people just happen to hear she had ovarian cancer? Did she give any talks about it? Tour the country? Donate large sums of money to finding a cure? Why wasnt her legacy that of a mother who spent the rest of her life searching for the monster that killed her baby? I mean wasnt Pasty worried about all those mommies that she warned to keep your babies close? Just what did Patsy do to bring attention to the importance of ovarian cancer? Can somebody please tell me?
Anyhow, the point of this post was to discuss my favorite topic, DNA. I was watching 48 hours I believe about the Leitman case a couple of weeks ago. Anyone happen to catch that? Interesting case regarding DNA and its importance. This was a case about a woman who was murdered and found in a graveyard. At the time it was believed she was murdered perhaps by a serial killer who was later apprehended, but her death wasnt consistent with the other women he had murdered. Anyhow a cold case detective dug up the case and tested the pantyhose this woman was wearing for any possible DNA. In three separate places, the DNA of a man Leitman was found. He was now married with grown kids and had NO criminal past. Denied being involved or that he knew the woman at all, however did live in the vicinity of the victim. His DNA was all over this womans pantyhose, WHY? But here is the odd thing, and perhaps will remind us all the complexity of the Ramsey case. A single spot of blood was found on this woman and when it was tested it was that of a man, who was now a convicted sexual offender. But here is the kicker at the time of this womans murder he was only 4 years old and lived in a different town. So how did the blood of a four year old child get on this woman???? What I found amazing was that the 12 jurors actually convicted Leitman of the crime and he was sentenced to life in prison. Now make no mistakes about it, I feel he probably did do it. But how does one explain the DNA of one man but completely ignore the blood of a child on this woman who didnt live anywhere near the crime scene? On that basis alone, I would have found Lietman innocent. You cant explain one DNA and not the other? Now granted, I dont think a 4 year old boy could have murdered this woman, but there certainly must have been an explanation of how the childs blood got onto this woman, yet it was never explained and surprisingly the jury found Leitman guilty anyway. It was amazing to see a case that was so old be brought to trail and a man convicted of it all due to DNA. In this case they clearly had a blood drop that yielded an identifiable genetic profile, that of a child, yet it was never explained. Makes you wonder why the Grand Jury chose not to indite the Ramseys if a case like this was solved and considering the DNA on Jon Benets marker was degraded and not completely identifiable. It just goes to show YOU CAN have DNA at a crime scene thats unexplainable and STILL convict someone else for the crime. So looking at the Ramsey case, you have two parents with no criminal background and yet we have a single spot of DNA on the crotch of their murdered daughters underwear that doesnt belong to either one of them.
On a separate note. I also watched the Discovery channel last night. New program called Most Evil. I highly recommend it. Dr. Michael Stone rates murderers on a scale of 1-22 which is now being used in court cases to help jurors understand their scale of evil. They replayed parts of the broadcast with Susan Smith and how she seemed to cry yet shed no tears and she referred to her children as these boys. Clearly disconnecting herself from them, which reminded me of Patsy Ramsey when she referred to Jon Benet as that child. They said these were all signs that Susan was lying. They showed that pathological liars have a larger frontal cortex and they now can tell if someone is lying by a cat scan and monitoring brain activity. (Dr. Georgio Gannis) They now can also tell the difference between someone who just tells a white lie compared to someone like Susan Smith, who rehearsed her lie over and over again, but finally crumbled under the pressure. I think Patsy Ramseys behavior afterwards always pointed to her involvement right along with that ridiculous ransom note, in which her handwriting was the only one that couldnt be eliminated.
So where does this case go from here? I think it will be one of those cases no one ever gets tired of talking about. John Ramsey will live his life in quiet solitude, probably re-marring after a couple years. I dont see politics in his future. I dont think he will publicly ever talk about the case again. You would think now that Patsy is gone, he would step forward to help hunt down this monstrous killer still on the loose that he believes murdered his daughter, since it would no longer affect poor Patsy. But he wont. Because the killer of this child is already dead and he knows it. I imagine the Ramseys life was hell after leaving Boulder. For two people that were so concerned with their image, I think the outcome suited them. They basically lost everything they had worked for. Lin Wood took most of their fortune early on and I cant imagine it was easy for John to find work, even as a Consultant or running his own business. They lost what they valued most, their reputation. His name will always be linked to possible murderer. Had it been me and I knew I was innocent I would have done everything to clear my name. These people didnt. And that is telling considering how important public image was to them. Patsy Ramsey will ONLY be remembered as a self absorbed mother and the prime suspect in her daughters murder. Most people think she was the one to kill Jon Benet. That the Ramseys themselves are eccentric and strange and lacked any sympathy for that child or acted in a way that normal parents would have in this situation. That the only reason either of them got away with it was due to the inaptness unfortunately of a police department not equipped with handling crime scenes and that the Ramseys had enough money to hire their quick talking southern talking spit fire attorney, Lin Wood. What a circus side show he was. It was just too much for little ole Boulder to handle.
To close, Neds honest opinion of what happened that night lies deep in a grave and in the mind of Patsy Ramsey. We all know Patsys past and her upbringing. The obsession with pageants, herself and Jon Benet. I have watched enough documentaries and studied enough cases to know that Patsy Ramsey has psychological issues. There is nothing normal about a woman that dresses up her 4-5-6 year old daughter in provocative outfits and parades her around. A woman that constantly brought attention to her daughter and herself. I think Patsy has a Narcissist Personality Disorder and probably suffers from bouts of Psychosis and that in a fit of rage, she snapped and killed her child then elaborately covered it up with the help of John Ramsey. There was no way she would have admitted to hurting her child, because she was afraid of how it would make her look. I dont think John Ramsey was involved until he held the ransom note in his hand. I dont believe he would have been stupid enough to have handed that over to police had he known about it ahead of time. I think John Ramsey loved his wife and knew she was mentally ill and he did what he could to protect her, even if it meant covering up the crime. So all we can do now is remember the smile of an innocent child, caught up in the 'grandeur' of her crazy mother. That her short stint here on earth was to remind us that children need to be children, and not some source of outlet for their parents to 'live through'. Its time to remember Jon Benet Ramsey.
Well well, Patsy isnt around any longer. What a shame she hadnt taken the time in the last 10 years to help the police solve the mystery of who murdered her little girl. I found some very strange comments from her sister, and the fact that Patsy wanted her legacy to be the fact she brought attention to ovarian cancer? Howd she do that? By the fact she was simply known as a prime suspect in the murder of her daughter and people just happen to hear she had ovarian cancer? Did she give any talks about it? Tour the country? Donate large sums of money to finding a cure? Why wasnt her legacy that of a mother who spent the rest of her life searching for the monster that killed her baby? I mean wasnt Pasty worried about all those mommies that she warned to keep your babies close? Just what did Patsy do to bring attention to the importance of ovarian cancer? Can somebody please tell me?
Anyhow, the point of this post was to discuss my favorite topic, DNA. I was watching 48 hours I believe about the Leitman case a couple of weeks ago. Anyone happen to catch that? Interesting case regarding DNA and its importance. This was a case about a woman who was murdered and found in a graveyard. At the time it was believed she was murdered perhaps by a serial killer who was later apprehended, but her death wasnt consistent with the other women he had murdered. Anyhow a cold case detective dug up the case and tested the pantyhose this woman was wearing for any possible DNA. In three separate places, the DNA of a man Leitman was found. He was now married with grown kids and had NO criminal past. Denied being involved or that he knew the woman at all, however did live in the vicinity of the victim. His DNA was all over this womans pantyhose, WHY? But here is the odd thing, and perhaps will remind us all the complexity of the Ramsey case. A single spot of blood was found on this woman and when it was tested it was that of a man, who was now a convicted sexual offender. But here is the kicker at the time of this womans murder he was only 4 years old and lived in a different town. So how did the blood of a four year old child get on this woman???? What I found amazing was that the 12 jurors actually convicted Leitman of the crime and he was sentenced to life in prison. Now make no mistakes about it, I feel he probably did do it. But how does one explain the DNA of one man but completely ignore the blood of a child on this woman who didnt live anywhere near the crime scene? On that basis alone, I would have found Lietman innocent. You cant explain one DNA and not the other? Now granted, I dont think a 4 year old boy could have murdered this woman, but there certainly must have been an explanation of how the childs blood got onto this woman, yet it was never explained and surprisingly the jury found Leitman guilty anyway. It was amazing to see a case that was so old be brought to trail and a man convicted of it all due to DNA. In this case they clearly had a blood drop that yielded an identifiable genetic profile, that of a child, yet it was never explained. Makes you wonder why the Grand Jury chose not to indite the Ramseys if a case like this was solved and considering the DNA on Jon Benets marker was degraded and not completely identifiable. It just goes to show YOU CAN have DNA at a crime scene thats unexplainable and STILL convict someone else for the crime. So looking at the Ramsey case, you have two parents with no criminal background and yet we have a single spot of DNA on the crotch of their murdered daughters underwear that doesnt belong to either one of them.
On a separate note. I also watched the Discovery channel last night. New program called Most Evil. I highly recommend it. Dr. Michael Stone rates murderers on a scale of 1-22 which is now being used in court cases to help jurors understand their scale of evil. They replayed parts of the broadcast with Susan Smith and how she seemed to cry yet shed no tears and she referred to her children as these boys. Clearly disconnecting herself from them, which reminded me of Patsy Ramsey when she referred to Jon Benet as that child. They said these were all signs that Susan was lying. They showed that pathological liars have a larger frontal cortex and they now can tell if someone is lying by a cat scan and monitoring brain activity. (Dr. Georgio Gannis) They now can also tell the difference between someone who just tells a white lie compared to someone like Susan Smith, who rehearsed her lie over and over again, but finally crumbled under the pressure. I think Patsy Ramseys behavior afterwards always pointed to her involvement right along with that ridiculous ransom note, in which her handwriting was the only one that couldnt be eliminated.
So where does this case go from here? I think it will be one of those cases no one ever gets tired of talking about. John Ramsey will live his life in quiet solitude, probably re-marring after a couple years. I dont see politics in his future. I dont think he will publicly ever talk about the case again. You would think now that Patsy is gone, he would step forward to help hunt down this monstrous killer still on the loose that he believes murdered his daughter, since it would no longer affect poor Patsy. But he wont. Because the killer of this child is already dead and he knows it. I imagine the Ramseys life was hell after leaving Boulder. For two people that were so concerned with their image, I think the outcome suited them. They basically lost everything they had worked for. Lin Wood took most of their fortune early on and I cant imagine it was easy for John to find work, even as a Consultant or running his own business. They lost what they valued most, their reputation. His name will always be linked to possible murderer. Had it been me and I knew I was innocent I would have done everything to clear my name. These people didnt. And that is telling considering how important public image was to them. Patsy Ramsey will ONLY be remembered as a self absorbed mother and the prime suspect in her daughters murder. Most people think she was the one to kill Jon Benet. That the Ramseys themselves are eccentric and strange and lacked any sympathy for that child or acted in a way that normal parents would have in this situation. That the only reason either of them got away with it was due to the inaptness unfortunately of a police department not equipped with handling crime scenes and that the Ramseys had enough money to hire their quick talking southern talking spit fire attorney, Lin Wood. What a circus side show he was. It was just too much for little ole Boulder to handle.
To close, Neds honest opinion of what happened that night lies deep in a grave and in the mind of Patsy Ramsey. We all know Patsys past and her upbringing. The obsession with pageants, herself and Jon Benet. I have watched enough documentaries and studied enough cases to know that Patsy Ramsey has psychological issues. There is nothing normal about a woman that dresses up her 4-5-6 year old daughter in provocative outfits and parades her around. A woman that constantly brought attention to her daughter and herself. I think Patsy has a Narcissist Personality Disorder and probably suffers from bouts of Psychosis and that in a fit of rage, she snapped and killed her child then elaborately covered it up with the help of John Ramsey. There was no way she would have admitted to hurting her child, because she was afraid of how it would make her look. I dont think John Ramsey was involved until he held the ransom note in his hand. I dont believe he would have been stupid enough to have handed that over to police had he known about it ahead of time. I think John Ramsey loved his wife and knew she was mentally ill and he did what he could to protect her, even if it meant covering up the crime. So all we can do now is remember the smile of an innocent child, caught up in the 'grandeur' of her crazy mother. That her short stint here on earth was to remind us that children need to be children, and not some source of outlet for their parents to 'live through'. Its time to remember Jon Benet Ramsey.
Hope you'll stick around a while.
