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    The Networks Know Who Did It

    In my opinion the networks know who killed JonBenet -- their conduct gives them away. For example:

    Professional enhancement of the 911 tape positively identified a young voice in the background, and Burke Ramsey was the only young person in the house at 5:52 A.M. Therefore, common sense tells us Burke was up and talking to his parents when the parents claimed he was asleep -- a lie to shield him.

    But when NBC's Katie Couric played the 911 tape for the nation to hear and make up its own mind, she deliberately talked over the crucial final few seconds of the tape following the dispatcher's "Patsy, Patsy, Patsy, Patsy!" Katie Couric knew better; she had been following the case for years. She made it appear there was nothing more on the tape -- so it was a charade .

    CBS refused to go along with the charade because they knew there WAS something on the tape after the "Patsy, Patsy, Patsy, Patsy!" But CBS didn't refute what they knew was going on; they quietly bowed out instead.

    The networks give Lin Wood and Lou Smit frequent opportunities to present their one-sided opinions of the evidence without rebuttals. The networks gave widespread coverage of Judge Carnes warped opinion on the evidence, even though she was commenting about a murder case while conducting a civil case.

    It appears to me the networks have been told the truth -- that neither John nor Patsy killed JonBenet and very young children are involved in the killing and it's against Colorado law to even reveal the names of the children. Burke was 9 years old, he is not culpable because of his age, he's protected by the court, and there's nothing the authorities or the media can do about it except help by conspiring to put the case to bed. They don't have any other choice.

    The networks wouldn't conspire to protect an adult killer; but they would for a child, especially when they would be violating a court protective order to do otherwise. I think the networks know that Burke killed JonBenet.

    Just my opinion.

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    Let's pretend this murder is solved,it's solved through the efforts of the grand jury,through Fleet's testimony,through leaks to the press,why then, is Boulder spending tax payers' money to continue an investigation. It's all just a big coverup to protect a killer child? Sorry I can't buy this as remotely conceivable.
    I discussed the other day,the tactics used by the police ,asking Patsy if previous to 1996 did she buy compass laced hi-techs for Burke. There were several prints,not just the one in the mold,suggesting an adult shoe,and previous to 1996, the child would have been eight years old,that interogation was a ludicrous ploy aimed at undermining Patsy's credibility . Burke was slight of build,look at his feet in pictures at age 8,I am certain his shoe size was no bigger than a boys 4,(would bet the bank on it).
    Burke didn't kill his sister,he didn't take cord,a section of the paint brush,duct tape,and the stun gun out of the house. Patsy didn't write the note to cover for her baby killing son. This device,the garotte,was constructed by someone very familiar with it's purpose and use,even the little knot at the wrist was similar to the one at the neck,no one staged this,the killer knew exactly what he was doing and was comfortable in the task.
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    LOL BlueCrab

    LOL Bluecrab. The reason the networks don't go near the BDI theory is BDI HAS BEEN SUED SUCCESSFULLY EVERY TIME IT'S ON TV OR IN PRINT.

    Mike Kane has also said Burke had nothing to do with this crime, that he was never a suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissi
    Let's pretend this murder is solved,it's solved through the efforts of the grand jury,through Fleet's testimony,through leaks to the press,why then, is Boulder spending tax payers' money to continue an investigation.
    The taxpayers aren't spending any money on the case. No active investigation has been financed since the Ramsey grand jury disbanded in 1999.

    The authorities are going through the motions to pacify the public. They have no choice. To do otherwise would expose the truth.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by candy
    LOL Bluecrab. The reason the networks don't go near the BDI theory is BDI HAS BEEN SUED SUCCESSFULLY EVERY TIME IT'S ON TV OR IN PRINT.

    Mike Kane has also said Burke had nothing to do with this crime, that he was never a suspect.

    Candy, the networks go near the BDI theory every time the Ramsey camp wants them -- such as the enhanced 911 tape fiasco.

    Burke was never a suspect because NO-ONE was ever a suspect, not even John or Patsy. Officially, they're all considered "witnesses". It's a play on words. Burke has never been cleared.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissi

    sissi, that Crime Library article is chock full of mistakes. They don't even have the correct picture of the basement window.

    JMO

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    You know, Bluecrab, that I've often thought that you may have this crime pegged down. Also, it seems that Patsy could have known right from the start and covered up for Burke.

    If your theory is correct, do you think that John knew at the time of her death that Burke did this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    But when NBC's Katie Couric played the 911 tape for the nation to hear and make up its own mind, she deliberately talked over the crucial final few seconds of the tape following the dispatcher's "Patsy, Patsy, Patsy, Patsy!" Katie Couric knew better; she had been following the case for years. She made it appear there was nothing more on the tape -- so it was a charade .
    This isn't correct, BlueCrab. There are TWO versions of the 911 tape that was made public. People on this and other forums have received the exact same versions from Keenan's office, and both are available online.

    The first version was released on audio tape. This was the version Wood gave NBC and they had tested. The audio tape ended prematurely at the point you mentioned above where Couric starts talking. There was nothing after the "Patsy, Patsy, Patsy" recorded on the audio tape Keenan released.

    It's the second version, released on CD, that is the problem because someone in Keenan's office screwed up and released a different version then what is on the audio tape. This version does not end in the same location. It continues past the "Patsy, Patsy, Patsy" and you can clearly hear Patsy then say "Help me, Help me Jesus, Help me Jesus".
    After that, there is a 4-second blank spot before the sound returns and the tape ends. Because this version of the tape perfectly follows Steve Thomas' transcript, it can only mean that the 4-second gap is where John and Burke's voices appear.

    While Keenan's office refuses to admit it, both versions they released are redacted using different methods and the public has yet to hear the COMPLETE 911 call.


    IMO/JMO

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    BlueCrab, I must say that after all these years of reading your theory, you make the most sense to me if the murder involved a family member. I have one question for you and only want you to answer "yes" or "no"; that will suffice.

    Do you have inside knowledge of the case that you are unable to divulge?

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    ST wrote on the enhanced 911 call. Just because Burke was on it DIDN'T MEAN he was involved in the crime. No investigators believed Burke was involved.

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    Burke not involved

    http://crime.about.com/library/weekly/aa051800a.htm

    crimeADM
    Is it your opinion that Burke was asleep when JonBenet was killed?
    SteveThomas
    I certainly do not know anything to lead me to believe that Burke was present or aware that his sister was being
    assaulted/killed

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    Just because investigators didn't believe Burke was involved doesnt mean he wasn't. The reasons Hunter and others (including Thomas) gave for not believing Burke did it are laughable.

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    crimeADM
    Do you agree with the Ramseys' lawsuit against the Star?

    SteveThomas
    I agree that Burke Ramsey did not commit any of the crimes perpetrated in the house that night. i do not feel this kid
    should have been subjected to what he has suffered.
    crimeADM
    So you agree they should have sued?

    crimeADM
    Two questions, neither of them very new: WAS that Burke's voice on the 911 tape, and was there actually evidence
    of sexual molestation?
    SteveThomas
    re: suing on behalf of Burke, I think it was irresponsible of some publications to put this kid in such a situation.
    Remember, this is a boy who will go to high school, date in college, presumably one day marry. he is scarred for life.
    What can repair that?
    SteveThomas
    Re burke on the 911 tape -- the detectives are unanimous on that point, me included. We were not in some sort of
    great conspiracy. Re: evidence of prior vaginal trauma, my answer is too loong the site reminds me. I have to refer
    you to the book.

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    Thanks, Candy, but your posts only show that Steve Thomas, a staunch PDIer, didn't believe that Burke killed JonBenet. That's all. He, like the other investigators, thought Burke was too young and too small to have done it. Cyril Wecht and Michael Baden disagree.

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    Steve Thomas...these simple people of simple means were not involved. Linda the maid loved Patsy like a
    sister, the husband, although some scrapes with law, showed no evidence to suggest involvement, etc. again, too long
    for this chat the moderator reminds me. But Hoffma-Pugh is not involved!

    Interesting,...scrapes with the law.....loved her like a sister..please!
    Why has no one brought up Mervin's scrapes with the law,what were they?
    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by River
    You know, Bluecrab, that I've often thought that you may have this crime pegged down. Also, it seems that Patsy could have known right from the start and covered up for Burke.

    If your theory is correct, do you think that John knew at the time of her death that Burke did this?
    River, in my theory I think both parents came upon the disaster around 3:30 A.M. JonBenet had died at the hands of the boys, perhaps accidentally or perhaps on purpose, at around 1:00 A.M. The kids had most of the staging in place when the parents got up at 3:30 to get ready for the all-day trip to Charlevoix. TheRamseys had to be at the airport by 6:30, and never would have made it if they hadn't got up until 5:30 as they claim.

    Yes, IMO John and Patsy knew immediately the kids were involved. But it appears they don't know "for sure" which one actually did the killing.

    Just my opinion.

    BlueCrab

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    Who were these boys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    BlueCrab, I must say that after all these years of reading your theory, you make the most sense to me if the murder involved a family member. I have one question for you and only want you to answer "yes" or "no"; that will suffice.

    Do you have inside knowledge of the case that you are unable to divulge?

    The answer is NO.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by candy
    ST wrote on the enhanced 911 call. Just because Burke was on it DIDN'T MEAN he was involved in the crime. No investigators believed Burke was involved.

    If Burke's voice was on the 911 tape it means all three Ramseys had lied. During the police interviews they were separately asked the same question, "Was Burke asleep when the 911 call was made at 5:52 A.M.? All three responded "Yes". Why lie? What were they trying to cover up?

    With all due respect Candy, you don't know what the investigators really believed.

    Just my opinion.

    BlueCrab

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    Quote Originally Posted by candy
    http://crime.about.com/library/weekly/aa051800a.htm

    crimeADM
    Is it your opinion that Burke was asleep when JonBenet was killed?
    SteveThomas
    I certainly do not know anything to lead me to believe that Burke was present or aware that his sister was being
    assaulted/killed

    As you know, Steve Thomas was hellbent on trying to prove his theory that Patsy killed JonBenet. He wasn't seriously interested in anything to the contrary.

    Incidentally, Steve Thomas was never a lead detective in the case.

    JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissi
    Who were these boys?

    I don't know "for sure" who the other boy(s) were. There may have been no one else except Burke. In my theory I believe that Doug Stine, Burke's best friend, is involved. Doug was about 10 years old at the time. I base this part of my theory on the suspicious behaviors of Glen and Susan Stine following the murder.

    There's also a possibility that Nathan Inouye, a teenage college student who lived at the Stine's house and cared for Doug while the parents worked, could be involved. Nathan was a member of the pro-active Asian Pacific American Coalition at CU, a group of 29 that suspiciously disbanded just weeks after the murder of JonBenet.

    Just my opinion.

    BlueCrab

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    BC,

    I agree Burke was responsible for JonBenet's death. Nothing as fancy as you suggest though. More likley a simple shove in intense anger by an uncoordinated little boy. Burke can't be charged because of his age. Patsy and John can't be charged with conspiracy as technically there is no crime. I'll go a step further and say the DA's office and the Ramsey's attorneys have partcipated in the conspiracy since the wee hours of the 26th and alas since there was no crime they have been able to pull it off and will continue.

    There has always been enough evidence against John and Pasty to get them into a courtroom for their partcipation after the accident- the note, the staging, the fibers, the pineapple, etc.etc.etc. It is the DA that has controlled the process. The Ramseys had an intimate connection to the DA's office before the murder. It was the DA's office who insisted Pam be allowed to paw through the crime sceene. It was the DA's office who stymied the release of phone and credit card records giving time to sponge them clean. It was the DA's office who hired a crippled, uneducated rat and called him a fox. It is the DA's office who continues to kiss the a** of LL Wood and his celebrated clients. The newest twist is the DA's office is believed to have erased the end portion of the 911 tape that circulated the media.

    I doubt it was any sort of rare sexual event though, more likely everyday sibling rivalry. We've all read sensational reports of 10 year olds sexually abusing younger females but rarely read of the everyday, every hour, every minute occurances of domestic abuse between siblings. It's actually the highest rated form of abuse. Hospital ER's would likely go out of business without the visits.



    It was Burke who was removed from the crime scene with possible evidence. It was Burke who recanted his statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popcorn
    BC,

    I agree Burke was responsible for JonBenet's death. Nothing as fancy as you suggest though. More likley a simple shove in intense anger by an uncoordinated little boy. Burke can't be charged because of his age. Patsy and John can't be charged with conspiracy as technically there is no crime. I'll go a step further and say the DA's office and the Ramsey's attorneys have partcipated in the conspiracy since the wee hours of the 26th and alas since there was no crime they have been able to pull it off and will continue.

    There has always been enough evidence against John and Pasty to get them into a courtroom for their partcipation after the accident- the note, the staging, the fibers, the pineapple, etc.etc.etc. It is the DA that has controlled the process. The Ramseys had an intimate connection to the DA's office before the murder. It was the DA's office who insisted Pam be allowed to paw through the crime sceene. It was the DA's office who stymied the release of phone and credit card records giving time to sponge them clean. It was the DA's office who hired a crippled, uneducated rat and called him a fox. It is the DA's office who continues to kiss the a** of LL Wood and his celebrated clients. The newest twist is the DA's office is believed to have erased the end portion of the 911 tape that circulated the media.

    I doubt it was any sort of rare sexual event though, more likely everyday sibling rivalry. We've all read sensational reports of 10 year olds sexually abusing younger females but rarely read of the everyday, every hour, every minute occurances of domestic abuse between siblings. It's actually the highest rated form of abuse. Hospital ER's would likely go out of business without the visits.



    It was Burke who was removed from the crime scene with possible evidence. It was Burke who recanted his statements.


    Popcorn, I can comfortably agree with everything you just stated. It could have been nothing but sibling rivalry and jealousy gone bonkers and the parents covering it all up. A BDI theory can meander off in a hundred different directions.

    One thing we can be sure of, THERE WAS NO INTRUDER, unless he had been invited into the house or was a houseguest. An intruder wouldn't spend all that time in an occupied house unless he didn't care whether or not he got his brains blown out. An intruder had no reason to write a fake ransom note. JonBenet wouldn't have gone downstairs with an intruder to snack on pineapple about 1 1/2 hours before she died. I can go on and add a dozen or so more reasons why there was no intruder.

    But why the viciousness of the staging by the parents? What would motivate them to mutilate the body and write a long and naive ransom note? Why didn't the Ramseys just leave everything the way they found it and call 911? The answer I think is the Ramseys did very little or none of the staging. The boys did almost all of the staging, trying to pin the death on a small foreign faction.

    So that leaves the fake ransom note. Was Burke able to author such a document all by himself? Expert examiners say neither John nor Patsy wrote it. There had to be a fifth person in the house that night, and that fifth person authored the note. Judging from the verbiage used in the note, that person was a teen.

    Just my opinion.

    BlueCrab

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    "But why the viciousness of the staging by the parents?"

    The coroner had no idea there was even a head injury. She wasn't beaten to a pulp as media reports frequently suggest. She was able to be shown in an open casket in her crowning glory. She would have looked much different at the time of death than hours later when death takes over and changes the appearance. What is interpreted as vicious can also be happenstance. There's not even 100% agreement the vaginal trauma was sexual in nature. The blood in her panties- diaper rash will bleed, she was unkempt in that regard. The erosion of her hymen- she had a new bike that day, bikes and horseback riding have long played a part in the status of a girl's hymen.

    This conspiracy theory has the Ramsey's attorneys collaberating with the staging. They wrote the script and the Ramsey's merely acted out their parts. The DA had no choice but to continue the conspiracy, there is no crime.

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