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    Passing the buck--something needs to be done

    Bravell Jackson, superintendent of Marion County Schools in Alabama, told the Atlanta Journal Constitution that John Karr began substitute teaching in the school system in 1996.

    "He wasn't here very long, for about 15 days in August and September of 1996, and I had to remove him from the sub list," Jackson said. "There were some complaints from parents. I can't say more than that."

    Lara Karr wrote in her divorce petition that her husband had been removed from the list because "he had a tendency to be too affectionate with children."


    One of those prestigious schools was Convent of the Sacred Heart Elementary School in San Francisco, one of four independent Catholic schools that operate under the umbrella of Schools of the Sacred Heart. John Karr worked as a teacher's aide for four weeks in September 2000, said Jo Ann Shain, director of communications for the four schools.

    Shain said John Karr was only at the school for four weeks, voluntarily leaving because "he didn't like the job description."

    He worked in two classrooms during the four weeks he was there. "He was never, ever alone with the children," Shain said, adding that teachers' aides are always supervised.

    John Karr went through the school's comprehensive background check, including fingerprinting and a criminal record review. He had no problems in his past, according to Shain. She said his references in Georgia "recommended him highly."

    John Karr worked as a fourth-grade student teacher at Pueblo Vista Elementary in Napa from January through early April of 2001 while trying to earn his teaching credential from Sonoma State University, said Sharyn Lindsey, assistant superintendent for human resources for Napa Valley Unified School District.

    He also held an emergency substitute permit, which allowed him to take over the class in which he was student teaching when the teacher was away, which he did eight times.

    Background fingerprint checks were conducted on John Karr by both the university, through the California Commission on Teacher Credentialing, and the Napa County Office of Education, Lindsey said. Both checks would have included national criminal databases and revealed arrests for less serious crimes such as drunk driving, she said.

    "We had two tracks of fingerprinting on Mr. Karr, and to our knowledge, he was clear," she said.


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    Remind me Buzz, was he convicted of the other crimes or just to stand trial for the charges? That would perhaps explain why he is "clean"?

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    How is this in any way "passing the buck"? And what would you propose "needs to be done", given the information available at the time?

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    Hi Buzz, Today I heard the Superintendant in Petaluma on a call on FOX who said he worked as a sub for two days. He didn't like John's style basicly so never called him back. He worked 11 days in that district in total, and then they discovered something about his credentials not being up to snuff.

    But nevertheless, you are saying he had no felonies up to 2001. I just can't help thinking this was a pretty complicated crime for a first one.

    Scandi

    ETA: One thing I've been thinking Buzz is that only recently have they perfected the art of the side hand print. I saw it on a forensics show. They tailed him for 21 days and could have retreived a print like that to study, of course not to use in court. But if they found a side hand or palm print at the Ramsey house and it matched, that alone would be reason enough to bring him back to ink him up and slap it on a piece of paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean
    Remind me Buzz, was he convicted of the other crimes or just to stand trial for the charges? That would perhaps explain why he is "clean"?
    He was dismissed from the Alabama schools, for reasons that they can't talk about, and then he was given glowing references by them.

    In another post on another thread, someone mentioned he had charges against him in GA and Alabama, but if so, those should have shown up.

    It just reminds me that problem people are often passed along in the system, with high recommendations, when they shouldn't have them at all.

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    I agree with you Buzz...and...

    ...JBR's school - I believe her kindergarten teacher raised concerns that JBR often came to school hungry, sometimes disheveled and wearing too much makeup. In addition her school was concerned about the number of hours that PR had her in pageants, including forcing her to perform for apparently up to 8 hours on end...Nothing was done about the suspected abuse/neglect because of the Ramsey's "social standing" in the sommunity....No different than ignoring the sick and twisted Mr. Karr, IMO...

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    Bravell Jackson, superintendent of Marion County Schools in Alabama, told the Atlanta Journal Constitution that John Karr began substitute teaching in the school system in 1996.

    Thanks Buzz

    I beleive his wife mentioned to the media (according to CC), in an interview yesterday, he was still going to school for his teaching degree at a community college, in 1996.

    Not that he also couldn't have been a substitute teacher. Some school districts are hard up for Subs!

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    Do you think the case is solved?
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    BOULDER, Colo. (Aug. 17) - For a moment, it seemed the decade-old mystery surrounding the slaying of a child beauty queen had been solved. But authorities Thursday cautioned against rushing to judge the schoolteacher who made a stunning confession that he killed JonBenet Ramsey.

    For now, the only public evidence against John Mark Karr are his own words. And questions have already been raised about the details of his story, including whether he drugged the girl, sexually assaulted her or was even in Colorado at the time of the slaying.

    Those questions led some to wonder whether Karr was the answer to the long-unsolved slaying or a disturbed wannabe trying to insert himself into a high-profile case.

    "We should all heed the poignant advice of John Ramsey," Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy, quoting the little girl's father. "Do not jump to conclusions, do not rush to judgment, do not speculate. Let the justice system take its course."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    He was dismissed from the Georgia schools, for reasons that they can't talk about, and then he was given glowing references by them.
    He was not dismissed from the Georgia schools. He was only a substitute teacher and that was from the Alabama schools not Georgia. His name was removed from the list of substitutes, he was not fired.
    His work in GA may have been good, but not in AL.

    In another post on another thread, someone mentioned he had charges against him in GA and Alabama, but if so, those should have shown up.
    I don't know of any charges in Georgia or AL, but I know of the ones in Calif. Maybe someone got their info mixed up.
    I believe that the charges of child porn in Sonoma county happened long after he quit trying to be a substitute or teacher's aid.

    It just reminds me that problem people are passed along in the system, with high recommendations, when they shouldn't have them at all.
    I think you have GA & AL mixed up Buzz. Reread the article you posted again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seeker
    He was not dismissed from the Georgia schools. He was only a substitute teacher and that was from the Alabama schools not Georgia. His name was removed from the list of substitutes, he was not fired.
    His work in GA may have been good, but not in AL.

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    removed/dismissed, not a great deal of difference. There was a reason he was removed from the substitute list.


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    Lindsey said John Karr's employment ended on April 3, 2001, when Napa County Sheriff's deputies came to the school to interview him on behalf of Sonoma County investigators.

    "That's the last we saw of him," she said.

    He was arrested that month and charged with five counts of possession of child pornography after a confidential informant tipped off police to his activities. Police searched two of John Karr's residencies in Petaluma -- he was in the process of moving -- and found child pornography on his computer. John Karr challenged the legality of one of the searches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    removed/dismissed, not a great deal of difference. There was a reason he was removed from the substitute list.
    Actually IMO there is quite a bit of difference. If you are removed from a position you are fired. If your name is simply removed from a list of substitute teachers it could be for many reasons. Laci's name was probably removed (crossed out) from the list as well due to her complicated pregnancy. Having your name simply removed is not anything like being removed from a position.

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    Yeah, something should be done. A teacher who suspects a parent is a pedophile should of course report it, but even more, a teacher being suspected of being a pedophile, with any complaints, should be reported and investigated - not allowed to continue school shopping to find where he can get sufficiently quiet victims. If there were complaints, they should be looked at, and placed in his record for future schools to see before hiring him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cappuccina
    ...JBR's school - I believe her kindergarten teacher raised concerns that JBR often came to school hungry, sometimes disheveled and wearing too much makeup. In addition her school was concerned about the number of hours that PR had her in pageants, including forcing her to perform for apparently up to 8 hours on end...Nothing was done about the suspected abuse/neglect because of the Ramsey's "social standing" in the sommunity....No different than ignoring the sick and twisted Mr. Karr, IMO...
    Where did you hear all this? That's the first new info I've heard concerning Jonbenet in years.

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    ...it was talked about on this forum and elsewhere...

    ...many years ago...

    Compare PR's Chrismas letter on this site: (scroll down)

    http://www.angelfire.com/amiga2/crimesolver/


    ...to what was more likely the truth...

    ...JBR was pretty old to be in kindergarten; my son was half way through first grade at her age....She had difficulty reading, and was not yet fully toilet trained; doubtful that she was advanced to first grade math. Now her performance ability was very good for her age, but it was accomplished AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERYTHING ELSE...

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