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    Anyone Ever Heard...

    of a pedophile kidnapping a child for ransom.As far as I know real kidnappers and pedophiles have completely different MOs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by librazone
    of a pedophile kidnapping a child for ransom.As far as I know real kidnappers and pedophiles have completely different MOs.
    Only in this crazy case...I think that's one of the reasons that so many people think it was an inside job followed by a bizarre cover-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by librazone
    of a pedophile kidnapping a child for ransom.As far as I know real kidnappers and pedophiles have completely different MOs.
    I think if you look throught history there has always been the first.
    Jack the ripper? Eileen Weurnos, ...
    A pedophile is a describtion of one who has sexual interest in children it does not exclude him from also being a kidnapper anymore then it excludes a priest from being a pedophile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amraann
    I think if you look throught history there has always been the first.
    Jack the ripper? Eileen Weurnos, ...
    A pedophile is a describtion of one who has sexual interest in children it does not exclude him from also being a kidnapper anymore then it excludes a priest from being a pedophile.
    But you cannot think of a particular case.

    Anyway this guy Karr appears to have been checked out by the FBI 5 years ago and they knew then he was a bit of a flake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southcitymom
    Only in this crazy case...I think that's one of the reasons that so many people think it was an inside job followed by a bizarre cover-up.
    Unfortunately it seems that the cover up is mainly the work of the Boulder DA's office...and by the looks of it they are going to continue with their obfuscation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by librazone
    But you cannot think of a particular case.

    Anyway this guy Karr appears to have been checked out by the FBI 5 years ago and they knew then he was a bit of a flake.
    NO, but that means little as I am not nearly as knowledgable as many here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by librazone
    But you cannot think of a particular case.

    Anyway this guy Karr appears to have been checked out by the FBI 5 years ago and they knew then he was a bit of a flake.
    If you google kidnapping and pedophile there are a number of specific cases.

    When you include ransom note there are fewer.

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    You see kids who are kidnapped by mom's bf who turns out to be a pedophile all the time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords
    If you google kidnapping and pedophile there are a number of specific cases.

    When you include ransom note there are fewer.

    Couldn't find any with a ransom involved. But of course I could have missed some.

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    I think the real distinction in the Ramsey case is that she wasn't kidnapped at all. That note seems like an enormous red herring to me. Most pedophiles who kidnap don't intend to return the child. Kidnappers are motivated by money or revenge. Pedophiles are motivated by sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletgirl2002
    You see kids who are kidnapped by mom's bf who turns out to be a pedophile all the time...
    True, but they don't typically leave a ransom note is I think the distinction.

    Those that kidnap and leave a ransom note usually do not molest the child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by librazone
    Couldn't find any with a ransom involved. But of course I could have missed some.
    Only Jonbenet Ramsey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southcitymom
    I think the real distinction in the Ramsey case is that she wasn't kidnapped at all. That note seems like an enormous red herring to me. Most pedophiles who kidnap don't intend to return the child. Kidnappers are motivated by money or revenge. Pedophiles are motivated by sex.
    Absolutely thats my whole point pedophiles and real kidnappers have different MOs. This case could have been cleared up years ago if the DA's office had acted on the handwriting expert's and FBI's reports which both pointed to Patsy Ramsey.
    The police and the FBI knew from the start that a family member committed this crime. Law enforcement agency whether the police or the FBI have dealt with thousands of cases... this is their job and they usually have a good idea of who the perpetrator is within the first 24 hours of the investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords
    Only Jonbenet Ramsey.
    She wasn't kidnapped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by librazone
    Absolutely thats my whole point pedophiles and real kidnappers have different MOs. This case could have been cleared up years ago if the DA's office had acted on the handwriting expert's and FBI's reports which both pointed to Patsy Ramsey.
    The police and the FBI knew from the start that a family member committed this crime. Law enforcement agency whether the police or the FBI have dealt with thousands of cases... this is their job and they usually have a good idea of who the perpetrator is within the first 24 hours of the investigation.
    I just posted a link to Mark Mclish's work on statement analysis of the JBR ransom note on the other note thread.

    I think the note is KEY in implicating Patsy Ramsey based on how she uses language in later statements as well.

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