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    A PHOTO OF JMK in Georgia on 12-25-96 !!!

    That's all his defense attorney needs for checkmate on the Boulder DA.

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    That's all his defense attorney needs for checkmate on the Boulder DA.
    I say this because we all that the DNA is crap. It contaminated and degraded. We all know that the DNA on the underwear (previously shiped as wrapped) could have been from factory worker at the underwear manufacturing plant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoe_horn
    I say this because we all that the DNA is crap. It contaminated and degraded. We all know that the DNA on the underwear (previously shiped as wrapped) could have been from factory worker at the underwear manufacturing plant.
    Yeah, but if it matches Karr, it will be proven to not be from a factory worker at the panty plant..unless of course, Karr worked there, which with his appetites, could be possible.

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    Not I. I don't think the DNA is crap. There are enough markers to be included in the CODIS data bank, where the minimum required is 10 markers. The still-unidentified male DNA in the Ramsey case is potentially excellent evidence against her murderer.

    The male DNA found under JonBenét's fingernails is also consistent with the male DNA found in blood spots in her panties.

    I think the presence of male DNA under a murdered, sexually assaulted child's nails and in blood on her underwear is related to the crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LovelyPigeon

    The male DNA found under JonBenét's fingernails is also consistent with the male DNA found in blood spots in her panties.

    The FACTS thread says that hasn't been confirmed - if I recall correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoe_horn
    That's all his defense attorney needs for checkmate on the Boulder DA.
    I don't think so unless the photo could be timed and verified in some way. Even then it will not be an air tight alibi. As others have mentioned, Karr could have had Christmas morning with his kids and wife, and still got to Boulder, committed the crime and been back before the next morning.

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    Well, photos aside...the prosecution still has to actually place him in Boulder themselves.

    Even if Karr wasn't with his family on Christmas in 1996...he could have laying in some field dead drunk for all anyone knows.

    However, I still don't know why his family would be so insistent he was with them, if in fact he was not.

    And as well...according to Karr, it wasn't a "one fly up and fly back down" scenario...he places himself in Boulder a full 3 days before the day of the murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by englishleigh
    Yeah, but if it matches Karr, it will be proven to not be from a factory worker at the panty plant..unless of course, Karr worked there, which with his appetites, could be possible.
    Henry Lee explained that when dna is found in brand new panties from the factory, the whole surface inside and out is scraped by a razor or scalpel and analyzed. In the case of the tiny spot of male dna on JBR's panties, the male dna is mixed within a blood spot of JBR's. That indicates it is not from the factory or anyone else but the person who caused JBR to bleed, i.e. the killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleuthingSleuth
    Well, photos aside...the prosecution still has to actually place him in Boulder themselves.

    Even if Karr wasn't with his family on Christmas in 1996...he could have laying in some field dead drunk for all anyone knows.

    However, I still don't know why his family would be so insistent he was with them, if in fact he was not.

    And as well...according to Karr, it wasn't a "one fly up and fly back down" scenario...he places himself in Boulder a full 3 days before the day of the murder.
    I am starting to think the "meeting JBR at the party" story was a lie. We can't assume everything he says is true. He could be mixing truth with lies as psychopaths do. If his family didn't notice a long absence maybe he was just gone for most of Xmas day but there in the morning. As long as he got to Boulder by afternoon, which is possible. How long does it take to drive? Take the bus? Fly? I don't think it is impossible.

    As for why the family insists he was with them if he was not - already explained by Karr - "That is what families do." Natural instinct to protect him and natural inability to believe a family member could be guilty of such a crime. Therefore it is vital to them to insist he was with them. They may honestly not remember that he was gone most of the day and not there when the wife and kids went to bed. This is in the scenario that he made it a day trip only.

    If he in fact was in Colorado for several days on vacation as Wendy Hutchens said, then the family is lying deliberately or they would admit to the vacation. Doubtful that the brother would not remember a vacation in Colorado even ten years ago.

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    Perhaps John drugged his family so they would sleep for two days like his first wife said he did to her, so they would believe he was with them at Christmas but he wasnt really? Food for thought...


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    Even if Karr wasn't with his family on Christmas in 1996...he could have laying in some field dead drunk for all anyone knows.


    That's true, especially with this whacko.

    JMK, by his appearance, doesn't come across as a boozer, but the stories of his past and recently covered events (Thailand hotel room and the Thailand flight to California) seem to show that he was a drinker.

    I can't help but think of how he must have been chuggin down those Asian brand beers while posting in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspidistra
    I am starting to think the "meeting JBR at the party" story was a lie. We can't assume everything he says is true. He could be mixing truth with lies as psychopaths do. If his family didn't notice a long absence maybe he was just gone for most of Xmas day but there in the morning. As long as he got to Boulder by afternoon, which is possible. How long does it take to drive? Take the bus? Fly? I don't think it is impossible.

    As for why the family insists he was with them if he was not - already explained by Karr - "That is what families do." Natural instinct to protect him and natural inability to believe a family member could be guilty of such a crime. Therefore it is vital to them to insist he was with them. They may honestly not remember that he was gone most of the day and not there when the wife and kids went to bed. This is in the scenario that he made it a day trip only.

    If he in fact was in Colorado for several days on vacation as Wendy Hutchens said, then the family is lying deliberately or they would admit to the vacation. Doubtful that the brother would not remember a vacation in Colorado even ten years ago.
    Yeah...pretty much I do consider the whole "being at a party bit" to be a big lie on his part. After all, he places not only himself, but a brother there too.
    I do find the idea that he just flew up there, did it, and flew back down...to be hard to swallow though. There should be records of him flying too, I would think.
    And to get there, he had to fly. Would have taken too much time otherwise, I believe, using other ways of transport.

    As for his family...from what I've heard...his ex's have no reason to protect him. They don't like the guy.
    Funnily enough...Karr has probably convinced himself he does have a family who would lie to protect him.

    The family is either lying...or Karr is. I don't think their memories are that faulty.

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    Hold on, there still isn't a photo right??? The way the thread is worded I thought one was found.

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    Hold on, there still isn't a photo right??? The way the thread is worded I thought one was found.
    Nope, sorry no photo with JMK in it. As mentioned earlier, such a photo would need to be time stamped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspidistra
    I don't think so unless the photo could be timed and verified in some way. Even then it will not be an air tight alibi. As others have mentioned, Karr could have had Christmas morning with his kids and wife, and still got to Boulder, committed the crime and been back before the next morning.
    I agree that there has to be some time varification. Our family is also a "mixed" bag so there are years when we have our get together as much as a week in advance of the holiday to even a day or two after. So there will have to be some sort of date that says December 25, 1996 IMO

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