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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    "The reason the Ramseys haven't been tried, is for one very simple reason. There isn't any real evidence against them. It's that simple."

    Oh, please! Would you like a list?
    Argue that with the judge, and the Grand Jury. Your peer group.


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    Quote Originally Posted by narlacat
    Well, let's see.
    Maybe it has something to do with their lying and their refusal to co operate with LE.
    Maybe it has something to do with PR not being able to be eliminated as the writer of the note.
    Maybe it has something to do with the fact they were trying to get out of town within the hour of their daughters body being found.
    Maybe it has something to do with fibre evidence.
    You want more reasons, I got more
    Thank you Narla, I knew I could count on you. Now lets back up to the first reason you stated, and understand that I am not being a smart a$$ I am honestly trying to see it your way. I have always heard that the Ramseys did cooperate and that they talked with LE whenever they wanted too.
    Second I also thought that I read PR was eliminated as the writer.
    Third- Well I am confused a bit on that.
    Fourth is this the Fibers from PR's sweater? And if so is it so uncommon that they would be on JBR? I mean she is her mom?
    Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    Argue that with the judge, and the Grand Jury. Your peer group.
    That is exactly why I dont understand. How can they have no evidence against the Ramseys but so many are "sure" of their guilt?


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    Quote Originally Posted by narlacat
    Well, let's see.
    Maybe it has something to do with their lying and their refusal to co operate with LE.
    Maybe it has something to do with PR not being able to be eliminated as the writer of the note.
    Maybe it has something to do with the fact they were trying to get out of town within the hour of their daughters body being found.
    Maybe it has something to do with fibre evidence.
    You want more reasons, I got more
    Maybe's aren't evidence narlacat. The Grand jury, and a separate judge couldn't find reason to indict the Ramseys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    Maybe's aren't evidence narlacat. The Grand jury, and a separate judge couldn't find reason to indict the Ramseys.
    Hi Buzz. it's because they didn't do it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle
    That is exactly why I dont understand. How can they have no evidence against the Ramseys but so many are "sure" of their guilt?
    Because contrary to what some here imply, the evidence isn't sooooooooo great to point to their guilt.

    Do people lhonestly think that if the evidence was there for an almsot certain ramsey hanging that the DA wouldn't have busted one of them by now? COME ON. They arrested a guy based on some emails. If they had this supposed "smoking gun" evidence for ramsey guilt they'd have acted on it.

    The longer the case goes on the WORSE they look.

    Look, I am not saying the ramseys are 100% but it is common sense to see they arent easily guilty since they'd have been charged by now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by michelle
    That is exactly why I dont understand. How can they have no evidence against the Ramseys but so many are "sure" of their guilt?
    There is evidence that was not presented to Judge Carnes or the Grand Jury that implicates the Ramsey's.

    The Ramsey's refused to take a polygraph or talk to LE for 4 months! And then, it was their own selected polygrapher, not one from the police! They tried to board John's private plane for Michigan, despite JB's body just being found- I think that should trump Christmas celebrations, don't you? Kinda like Scott Peterson and his parents still having Christmas dinner with the neighbor instead of looking for the "missing" wife they knew was already dead and by whom.

    Patsy was NOT eliminated as the writer of the note, we now know JMK didn't write it!

    John's black shirt fibers were found on JB's genitals, that can't be explained except for sexual abuse.
    Please help locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff and bring them home.

    Jodi, hot enough for you yet in Perryville, the only place you'll see 'till you die?? You got your wish to live in the Phoenix area for the rest of your life.
    Travis Alexander was the victim of Domestic Violence.

    JeSuisJuif
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    It appears the JonBenet Ramsey forum will very rapidly revert back to exactly the same thing it has been for quite a few years now; a place for the RDI's to hang and comiserate about the Ramseys never having been tried, and convicted. The reason the Ramseys haven't been tried, is for one very simple reason. There isn't any real evidence against them. It's that simple. Hopefully this recent episode drew the real killer back to the surface again, and hopefully he'll stay surfaced for awhile, and maybe some astute LE internet person can make contact with him. That's the best we can hope for.
    There is plenty of evidence to raise eyebrows, questions, and suspicions...but not enough evidence to try a Ramsey and convict.

    With this latest debacle...either there was no intruder, or the intruder was absolutely perfect. Though it makes no sense this absolutely perfect intruder chose to leave behind his own handwriting to be examined.

    If there was an intruder/killer...he committed the crime flawlessly and has kept his head down for 10 years.
    Only way things could point to an intruder is if Karr for instance actually spoke with the real killer. That's unlikely.

    In this case things always seem to lead back to the Ramseys...because of what evidence there is...it points towards the Ramseys or raises troubling questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    If I was John Ramsey, and the media swarmed me, more than once, let alone my son on his first arrival at his dorm, I would also want to leave the U.S.. I have seen the media in action, and it isn't a pleasant sight, especially if you happen to be in the middle of them, and don't want to be there, and they have hounded you for ten years..

    ... and you killed your daughter.


  10. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by narlacat
    Capp, I am as frustrated as you.

    They got away with it, it's that simple.
    they sure did...there will never be any justice for JonBenet


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean
    Hi Buzz. it's because they didn't do it.
    JBean, you, and I, and michelle know that, but we don't want to force our opinion, based on existing evidence, on anyone else, do we. If they want to believe, what they believe, for whatever reason they believe, what they believe, who are we to argue with them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by narlacat
    Well, let's see.
    Maybe it has something to do with their lying and their refusal to co operate with LE.
    Maybe it has something to do with PR not being able to be eliminated as the writer of the note.
    Maybe it has something to do with the fact they were trying to get out of town within the hour of their daughters body being found.
    Maybe it has something to do with fibre evidence.
    You want more reasons, I got more
    Oh come on...first, the fibre evidence thing is silly. THEY LIVE IN THE HOUSE. Fibres will travel.

    Second, the hand writing thing doesn't mean much. I bet many people would not be eliminated from it. Because she wasnt totally eliminated is IMO lame evidence to try and support this theory.

    Do you really think if they were guilty they'd try and get out of town ASAP when it was OBVIOUS they'd be suspects? Wouldnt you think that would help point to them?


    I can see them being stubborn with trying to work with LE since it seems they were being tried and convited by LE and the media 3.2 seconds after the case opened. That'd tick me off too if I was innocent yet people continued to claim i was guilty.

    I am not saying they are innocent (I HAVE NO CLUE) but the evidence you listed is IMO silly and points to nothing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK
    John's black shirt fibers were found on JB's genitals, that can't be explained except for sexual abuse.
    So the fibers that were on her were definatly JR's? I always thought that was a rumor???? See I am confused, lol...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    JBean, you, and I, and michelle know that, but we don't want to force our opinion, based on existing evidence, on anyone else, do we. If they want to believe, what they believe, for whatever reason they believe, what they believe, who are we to argue with them.
    I won't argue it Buzz. There is no point. I believe it based on all the homework I have done. We all have access to the same information and are drawing different conclusions. so it goes.


    ps: I got my phone call from the sea today


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    michelle...anything & everything you ever wanted to know about JBR's death is here....

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20136


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