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    IDI'S answer me this.

    I have seen alot of people saying over the last week that an intruder murdered JBR. And that the ramseys loved their daughter or couldnt have brutally murdered her and then staged the scene.

    Ok fine. Now put yourself in the ramseys shoes. If you knew beyond the shadows of doubt you were innocent and loved JBR with all your heart.

    Then why in the hell would you stand in the way of LE doing their job to bring this intruder to justice?

    Why would you phone your pilot to get the plane ready shortly after you found your beloved daughter in the basement dead?

    What loving parent would want to deal with a flight to Atlanta after the stress of your daughters death? Would you not want to stay and help?

    Would you not feel compelled to tell LE that you would help in any way you could? Rather than run with your tail tucked between your legs.

    Why would you feel insulted about a lie detector test by LE, when you want justice for your daughter and their the ones conducting the investigation?

    Why would the only action you would take in your daughters death is legal action?

    Why would you spill the beans on national TV, yet you wouldnt give LE the time of day?

    Why would you have so many holes in your story each time you told them?

    Would common sense not dictate, that if they clear us they can move on with the investigation?

    Why would you try and play the victim?

    When there was only one victim and that was JBR. LE was just doing their job.

    I ask you these question because these are the actions taken by the wonderful, loving parents John and Patsy Ramsey. And these questions dont even scratch the surface of the love these parent showed to bring justice for JBR.

    Forget any minute evidence of an intruder. Would these actions by loving
    parents not spell out guilty?

    And please dont give me this crap that they only focused on the ramseys. That has been proven false. It just so happened out of everyone questioned things always seem to come ful circle and point to the ramseys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal Truth
    I have seen alot of people saying over the last week that an intruder murdered JBR. And that the ramseys loved their daughter or couldnt have brutally murdered her and then staged the scene.

    Ok fine. Now put yourself in the ramseys shoes. If you knew beyond the shadows of doubt you were innocent and loved JBR with all your heart.

    Then why in the hell would you stand in the way of LE doing their job to bring this intruder to justice?

    Why would you phone your pilot to get the plane ready shortly after you found your beloved daughter in the basement dead?

    What loving parent would want to deal with a flight to Atlanta after the stress of your daughters death? Would you not want to stay and help?

    Would you not feel compelled to tell LE that you would help in any way you could? Rather than run with your tail tucked between your legs.

    Why would you feel insulted about a lie detector test by LE, when you want justice for your daughter and their the ones conducting the investigation?

    Why would the only action you would take in your daughters death is legal action?

    Why would you spill the beans on national TV, yet you wouldnt give LE the time of day?

    Why would you have so many holes in your story each time you told them?

    Would common sense not dictate, that if they clear us they can move on with the investigation?

    Why would you try and play the victim?

    When there was only one victim and that was JBR. LE was just doing their job.

    I ask you these question because these are the actions taken by the wonderful, loving parents John and Patsy Ramsey. And these questions dont even scratch the surface of the love these parent showed to bring justice for JBR.

    Forget any minute evidence of an intruder. Would these actions by loving
    parents not spell out guilty?

    And please dont give me this crap that they only focused on the ramseys. That has been proven false. It just so happened out of everyone questioned things always seem to come ful circle and point to the ramseys.
    Excellent questions, and there is no satisfactory overall answer. Everything you have listed is another nail in the Ramseys' well-nailed coffin.

    Added to that, you have the way they deliberately ignored the 'kidnappers'' demands and flooded the crime scene with people, and the fact that despite an alleged intruder having prolonged very close physical contact with the child, there was NO, repeat NO credible non-Ramsey DNA at the crime scene.

    Any intruder who was capable of carrying this out without clear signs of entry, without leaving ANY DNA - requiring special all-body suiting, face/headwear, footwear and gloves - would not have jacked around with a ridiculous note written by a moron. A moron like Patsy Ramsey. If they wouldn't even leave DNA, why would they leave such a note? A kidnapper of this level of stealthy sophistication would have been in and out in as short a time as possible. The note, if any, would have been pre-printed, not hand written, and it would have made sense. This is pathetic.

    Nothing about the case suggests that the Ramseys were telling the truth. Absolutely nothing. Yet there are countless things pointing to their guilt.

    Gee... what a tough call...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronte Nut
    If they wouldn't even leave DNA, why would they leave a note?
    Excellent question and observation.

    The only thing that bothers me is a lot of RDI speculation. Why would they not cooperate? Don't know. Why would they hire attorneys? Don't know. Certainly, I would not react that way. However, none of that PROVES guilt. It is all speculation. You need actual evidence to prove guilt. The fact that fibers of theirs were on the body is no big deal. They live there. She lived there. Doesn't seem to me to prove anything. Patsy's fibers should be in the paint- it was her paint. Her fibers should be on JBR- I'm sure they hugged, I'm sure she put her to bed. No one seems to think that an unknown arm or pubic hair left on the blanket is a source of concern, so why would fibers of the people who live there be one?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal Truth
    I have seen alot of people saying over the last week that an intruder murdered JBR. And that the ramseys loved their daughter or couldnt have brutally murdered her and then staged the scene.

    Ok fine. Now put yourself in the ramseys shoes. If you knew beyond the shadows of doubt you were innocent and loved JBR with all your heart.

    Then why in the hell would you stand in the way of LE doing their job to bring this intruder to justice?

    Why would you phone your pilot to get the plane ready shortly after you found your beloved daughter in the basement dead?

    What loving parent would want to deal with a flight to Atlanta after the stress of your daughters death? Would you not want to stay and help?

    Would you not feel compelled to tell LE that you would help in any way you could? Rather than run with your tail tucked between your legs.

    Why would you feel insulted about a lie detector test by LE, when you want justice for your daughter and their the ones conducting the investigation?

    Why would the only action you would take in your daughters death is legal action?

    Why would you spill the beans on national TV, yet you wouldnt give LE the time of day?

    Why would you have so many holes in your story each time you told them?

    Would common sense not dictate, that if they clear us they can move on with the investigation?

    Why would you try and play the victim?

    When there was only one victim and that was JBR. LE was just doing their job.

    I ask you these question because these are the actions taken by the wonderful, loving parents John and Patsy Ramsey. And these questions dont even scratch the surface of the love these parent showed to bring justice for JBR.

    Forget any minute evidence of an intruder. Would these actions by loving
    parents not spell out guilty?

    And please dont give me this crap that they only focused on the ramseys. That has been proven false. It just so happened out of everyone questioned things always seem to come ful circle and point to the ramseys.

    I fall in the camp of those who think Burke did it (my opinion only -- not based on anything but my observation of the facts).

    The reason LE can't charge the parents is simple. The DA has no evidence that the parents killed JonBenet. That is because they did NOT do it. I think Burke did it and it was an accident. He caused her death, but he didn't intend to. There is plenty of evidence that the parents obstructed justice, lied, altered the scene, did everything they could to take Burke out of the picture.
    Everything I submit on this subject is my own personal opinion. I am basing my opinion on nothing other than the known facts in this case.


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    It is just so hard for me to imagine that scrawny kid having the strength to strangle or bash anything. There is no doubt that it takes great strength to sustain a hold long enough for it to kill someone. Not to mention to muster the force it would take to cause a fracture of that stature.


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    Quote Originally Posted by i_dont_chat
    I fall in the camp of those who think Burke did it (my opinion only -- not based on anything but my observation of the facts).

    The reason LE can't charge the parents is simple. The DA has no evidence that the parents killed JonBenet. That is because they did NOT do it. I think Burke did it and it was an accident. He caused her death, but he didn't intend to. There is plenty of evidence that the parents obstructed justice, lied, altered the scene, did everything they could to take Burke out of the picture.
    I disagree. They had evidence on the Ramseys. And I truly believe if they were ordinary common people without so much clout, they would be in jail and thats where Patsy would have died.


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    Quote Originally Posted by olive
    Excellent question and observation.

    The only thing that bothers me is a lot of RDI speculation. Why would they not cooperate? Don't know. Why would they hire attorneys? Don't know. Certainly, I would not react that way. However, none of that PROVES guilt. It is all speculation. You need actual evidence to prove guilt. The fact that fibers of theirs were on the body is no big deal. They live there. She lived there. Doesn't seem to me to prove anything. Patsy's fibers should be in the paint- it was her paint. Her fibers should be on JBR- I'm sure they hugged, I'm sure she put her to bed. No one seems to think that an unknown arm or pubic hair left on the blanket is a source of concern, so why would fibers of the people who live there be one?
    It may not prove guilt but it certainly implies your guilty. And the fiber were a big deal considering Patsy said she was never in the basement in those clothes. And her fibers intertwined in the garrote knot. Come on thats not something that just appears there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal Truth
    It may not prove guilt but it certainly implies your guilty. And the fiber were a big deal considering Patsy said she was never in the basement in those clothes. And her fibers intertwined in the garrote knot. Come on thats not something that just appears there.
    Don't forget, John's shirt fibers were found in JB's genital area, that doesn't happen just by living in the same household!!!
    Please help locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff and bring them home.

    Jodi, hot enough for you yet in Perryville, the only place you'll see 'till you die?? You got your wish to live in the Phoenix area for the rest of your life.
    Travis Alexander was the victim of Domestic Violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal Truth
    And the fiber were a big deal considering Patsy said she was never in the basement in those clothes.
    She wouldn't have to be. She wore the clothes just that night- I'm sure she left fibers on JonBenet from their contact during the evening. Hugs, etc. Fibers could have been transported on JonBenet herself, not by Patsy.

    As far as the garrot.. that is disputable depending on how they were intertwined. I don't know enough about this subject, so feel free to correct me. But couldn't it be possible that fibers were left on JonBenet's hair and neck from hugging her mom that night, and that is how they got stuck in the garrot? Remember, the garrot was furrowed deep into her neck- it would definitely pick up whatever was on the skin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK
    Don't forget, John's shirt fibers were found in JB's genital area, that doesn't happen just by living in the same household!!!
    But I have read many accounts that think these were left by a washcloth, from wiping her. That they weren't necessarily from his shirt- they could have been fibers from a variety of things. Steve Thomas states he thinks they are from a washcloth.


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    IMO, the problem was NOT that they didn't have enough to charge A Ramsey with the murder of JBR, but that they didn't know WHICH Ramsey did what. You cannot charge John Ramsey for murder if you aren't sure if it was him or Patsy that actualy killed JBR. And the same for Patsy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by olive
    But I have read many accounts that think these were left by a washcloth, from wiping her. That they weren't necessarily from his shirt- they could have been fibers from a variety of things. Steve Thomas states he thinks they are from a washcloth.
    And I have read, although I can't quote source, that the fibers were from the black shirt he was wearing that night that was made in Israel.
    Please help locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff and bring them home.

    Jodi, hot enough for you yet in Perryville, the only place you'll see 'till you die?? You got your wish to live in the Phoenix area for the rest of your life.
    Travis Alexander was the victim of Domestic Violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypros
    IMO, the problem was NOT that they didn't have enough to charge A Ramsey with the murder of JBR, but that they didn't know WHICH Ramsey did what. You cannot charge John Ramsey for murder if you aren't sure if it was him or Patsy that actualy killed JBR. And the same for Patsy.
    I say charge 'em both for collusion, and obstruction of justice!
    Please help locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff and bring them home.

    Jodi, hot enough for you yet in Perryville, the only place you'll see 'till you die?? You got your wish to live in the Phoenix area for the rest of your life.
    Travis Alexander was the victim of Domestic Violence.

    JeSuisJuif
    JeSuisCharlie



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    Quote Originally Posted by olive
    She wouldn't have to be. She wore the clothes just that night- I'm sure she left fibers on JonBenet from their contact during the evening. Hugs, etc. Fibers could have been transported on JonBenet herself, not by Patsy.

    As far as the garrot.. that is disputable depending on how they were intertwined. I don't know enough about this subject, so feel free to correct me. But couldn't it be possible that fibers were left on JonBenet's hair and neck from hugging her mom that night, and that is how they got stuck in the garrot? Remember, the garrot was furrowed deep into her neck- it would definitely pick up whatever was on the skin.
    Right, but this girl was wiped clean. How did her fibers get under the sticky side of the duct tape, when she was never in the basement? And the fibers werent just laying on the knot. They were actually intertwined in the knot. That does not come from a hug.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal Truth
    Right, but this girl was wiped clean. How did her fibers get under the sticky side of the duct tape, when she was never in the basement? And the fibers werent just laying on the knot. They were actually intertwined in the knot. That does not come from a hug.
    No, what I'm saying is that if Jonbenet had her face burrowed on her mom, in a hug for instance, and Patsy was wearing the jacket, those fibers could have been on her neck, hair and face. The duct tape was put over her mouth, which is part of her face. All it would take is for her to burrow her face on her mom's jacket, and fibers would be on her face. And the fibers could become intertwined due to how deep the ligature was in her skin. Her bottom was wiped clean, not her face.


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