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    Black Mark On Her Mandible

    In the autopsy photos of JonBenet there is a black mark on her mandible (looks fingertip sized) whereas the other marks on her still appear to be reddish to reddish purple in color - has the black mark ever been explained?

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    I read probable brusing from snaps or buttons...???...

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelwngs
    I read probable brusing from snaps or buttons...???...
    Thank you angelwngs. It always stood out to me how dark that one mark was. Interesting.

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    Is it possible that the marks on her back, the ones that are 35mm apart, could have come from removable vampire fangs? The intercuspid distance of an adult is around 35mm. "Vampire" bites only leave two marks, not a full bite mark. If the force was not excessive as to not penetrate the skin, I think it could leave a reddish, purple mark as shown in the photos.

    As for the mark on her face, I cannot explain that.

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    I have also read speculation that it might be impressions from the beads of a necklace/bracelet that JonBenet or the person who murdered her may have been wearing. It is interesting to note that these marks occurred on her back as well.

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    The clothing snap one is the subject of much discussion. If you look closely, you can see this boat-shaped mark in it. Now, there's a clothing line for kids, La Petit Bateau, that makes snaps like that.

    (Doesn't that sound like something Patsy would buy?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    The clothing snap one is the subject of much discussion. If you look closely, you can see this boat-shaped mark in it. Now, there's a clothing line for kids, La Petit Bateau, that makes snaps like that.

    (Doesn't that sound like something Patsy would buy?)
    Marks on her face, same marks on her back, unexplained.

    Snaps? I doubt it...seems to me that lots of people die wearing clothes with buttons, snaps and beads, people even die wearing jewelrey so wouldn't similar marks from such things be so common place on dead bodies that no one would even have to wonder what the marks on JBR were? especially a medical examiner?

    Something unusual made those marks ...as I have never read that such marks are all that common on bodies of the dead.

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    Lightbulb What about her jacket????

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    The clothing snap one is the subject of much discussion. If you look closely, you can see this boat-shaped mark in it. Now, there's a clothing line for kids, La Petit Bateau, that makes snaps like that.

    (Doesn't that sound like something Patsy would buy?)
    If I recall correctly, JBR had been laying on the right side of her face. On the autopsy report, livor mortis is noted on the body right...anything she would have been leaning against would have left an imprint...like the button or snap on a jacket, like maybe the jacket she had been wearing that night? Which means that she had been killed, laid around and cooled while wearing that jacket...ah, are you all starting to see what I see?

    Do we know with all certainty that the home was the primary crime scene????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trocaria
    If I recall correctly, JBR had been laying on the right side of her face. On the autopsy report, livor mortis is noted on the body right...anything she would have been leaning against would have left an imprint...like the button or snap on a jacket, like maybe the jacket she had been wearing that night? Which means that she had been killed, laid around and cooled while wearing that jacket...ah, are you all starting to see what I see?

    Do we know with all certainty that the home was the primary crime scene????
    How did she get the 2 similar marks on her back?

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    How did she get the 2 similar marks on her back?
    The marks on the back were the two rust colored holed, inches apart weren't they? They were smaller if I recall than that round darkened mark on the lateral angle of the mandible. Lemme go look again. I want to be sure.


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    You got it, Trocaria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trocaria
    The marks on the back were the two rust colored holed, inches apart weren't they? They were smaller if I recall than that round darkened mark on the lateral angle of the mandible. Lemme go look again. I want to be sure.
    I've put out a question to my embalmer's group, regarding livor and imprints.
    It seems to me that whatever the flesh is pressed against as the blood settles into the dependent parts of the body, if there is a groove, a pattern, that it will take shape on the flesh just as it would in life. You all know about that, when your jeans are too snug on the old tum-tum?

    I have yet to see anything along that order, most of the cases I see have the standard livor present on the back.
    Will get back to you.

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    http://www.moval.edu/faculty/wilsona...#slide0025.htm


    Found it! I knew that I had seen this!
    Per this site,
    "Livor Mortis- such blanching will carry [the] imprint of what ever object it is in contact with, (eg: carpet, bedspread ect)

    Here now is the most telling part:
    If livor mortis is fully developed, (8 to 12 hours), such imprints on the blanched area will remain even if the body is moved afterwards.

    If that round hole is not part of a stun gun burn, what in the heck was that child leaning against? Anyone seen a pic of her in the jacket she wore that last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trocaria
    http://www.moval.edu/faculty/wilsona...#slide0025.htm


    Found it! I knew that I had seen this!
    Per this site,
    "Livor Mortis- such blanching will carry [the] imprint of what ever object it is in contact with, (eg: carpet, bedspread ect)

    Here now is the most telling part:
    If livor mortis is fully developed, (8 to 12 hours), such imprints on the blanched area will remain even if the body is moved afterwards.

    If that round hole is not part of a stun gun burn, what in the heck was that child leaning against? Anyone seen a pic of her in the jacket she wore that last night?
    I still don't buy the theory. She had snaps against her face and against her back? Why would she still be in a jacket?..if she was awake and eating pineapple in her home then I doubt she was still dressed in a jacket or coat by the time of her murder 1 or 2 hours later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maybe So
    I still don't buy the theory. She had snaps against her face and against her back? Why would she still be in a jacket?..if she was awake and eating pineapple in her home then I doubt she was still dressed in a jacket or coat by the time of her murder 1 or 2 hours later.
    The marks on the back are like the marks left by the Air Taser stun gun. The one on the face is different.

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