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    Questions you'd like answers to...

    there are some things about this case that will never be known, but they are details that drive you nutz - here's a few I have, what are yours?

    1. Why was it so important to the Ramseys' story that JonBenet was asleep when they got home and was taken directly to bed? Burke said she woke up and helped carry stuff into the house. We know she had pineapple, so why lie about her being asleep? It seems as though it would have been easier to say that she woke up when they pulled into the garage, they futzed around and had a snack and then went to bed - why was it important enough to lie about it? It's as if they were afraid to have anyone know the child was on the first floor that night between those hours - why? Did something happen in that part of the house?

    2. Why did Burke act so strangely that morning? Why did he pretend to be asleep, and why didn't his parents wake him up and ask him if he had seen or heard anything in the night? Why when his father came up to get him to take him to White's house, did he remain silent and not ask any questions? That's not the way nine year old boys act - they want to know everything that's going on and if a cop walks in the house, they're fascinated by him, and want to know why he's there. This kid did not ask ONE question or exhibit any fear or curiosity at all. (In my opinion, someone put the fear of God in this kid to keep him quiet. I can hear it now, "no matter what anyone asks you, you say you don't know, do you hear me?? Do you want Mom and Dad in jail?? Don't say anything!!!, I mean it, Burke!!!) And I don't care what anyone says about everyone being "different", nine year old boys don't act like that in that kind
    of situation - he didn't even ask, "is JonBenet going with us to the Whites?"

    3. How did that blood get in the underwear? She's been wiped clean, but there is blood on the crotch panel - so she had to have had them on, been injured, wiped clean, and then the underwear put back on with the longjohns with the urine stain in the front - otherwise, how could the blood have gotten there? Which means she had that pair of underwear on, she was injured, the underwear were pulled up, and then someone thought better of it, pulled them down, wiped her clean and then pulled the underwear back up. How else could the blood have gotten on that part of the underwear?

    4. Patsy Ramsey was so insistent on the ransom note being on the spiral staircase, saying, "and that's how I come down every morning." How would an intruder know that? Why not leave it in her bed, or on the kitchen counter or the windshield of the car, or the steps leading down from their bedroom, where the parents would be sure of seeing it. And why would she never admit to having read the damned thing? Or why wouldn't she read it in the first place? If it was my kid, I'd of have it memorized. She insinuated to LE that it was 'weird" that Fleet White knew it so well - well, anyone with a brain and a heart would be reading that note over and over wondering if there was anything about it that could tell them who killed that little girl. What's weird, is that Patsy Ramsey didn't do that.

    This baloney that the parents shouldn't be suspected because of their behavior, because everyone acts "differently" is just that - baloney. If everyone acted differently, we wouldn't have societal norms, we wouldn't have traditions, we wouldn't know how to act appropriately in situations. Not to get into anything too esoteric, but there is a biological mechanism in the brain called "theory of mind mechanism". It allows us to understand and act appropriately in society, because we observe appropriate behavior and store those reactions in the brain. These parents didn't act in the way innocent parents act - they go on tv, but can't talk to the police. They call a lawyer the very day it happened, and then refuse to be interviewed, they have investigators on Dec. 27th, taking statements from people who were there that day and don't even inform the police. They give physical evidence but won't talk to the cops or take polygraphs or do one thing to remove themselves as suspects in the case. Things have to make sense and this just does not make any sense at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev
    This baloney that the parents shouldn't be suspected because of their behavior, because everyone acts "differently" is just that - baloney. If everyone acted differently, we wouldn't have societal norms, we wouldn't have traditions, we wouldn't know how to act appropriately in situations. Not to get into anything too esoteric, but there is a biological mechanism in the brain called "theory of mind mechanism". It allows us to understand and act appropriately in society, because we observe appropriate behavior and store those reactions in the brain. These parents didn't act in the way innocent parents act - they go on tv, but can't talk to the police. They call a lawyer the very day it happened, and then refuse to be interviewed, they have investigators on Dec. 27th, taking statements from people who were there that day and don't even inform the police. They give physical evidence but won't talk to the cops or take polygraphs or do one thing to remove themselves as suspects in the case. Things have to make sense and this just does not make any sense at all.
    Well, yes, there are norms and traditions and all that good stuff. However, they are guidelines, and to think that people who don't fit the mold are suspicious and therefore should be denied rights is delusional.

    Furthermore, it is very obvious the Ramseys had no regard for norms or appropriate behavior because they bleached the hair of a five year old and dressed her up like a hooker. How many parents do that? But that still does not make them murderers.

    I will, however, agree with you that there is plenty about the Ramseys which doesn't make sense. But it was there before JonBenet died, as well. These were not normal people.


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    One question that comes to my mind is, I want to know who it was that screamed in the middle of the night? Was it JBR or PR? If I recall no one really knew who it was...


    ETA: wouldn't one think to call the police if they heard a scream in the middle of the night?


    This post is my opinion only, and is subject to making me look totally confused


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev

    This baloney that the parents shouldn't be suspected because of their behavior, because everyone acts "differently" is just that - baloney. If everyone acted differently, we wouldn't have societal norms, we wouldn't have traditions, we wouldn't know how to act appropriately in situations. Not to get into anything too esoteric, but there is a biological mechanism in the brain called "theory of mind mechanism". It allows us to understand and act appropriately in society, because we observe appropriate behavior and store those reactions in the brain. These parents didn't act in the way innocent parents act - they go on tv, but can't talk to the police. They call a lawyer the very day it happened, and then refuse to be interviewed, they have investigators on Dec. 27th, taking statements from people who were there that day and don't even inform the police. They give physical evidence but won't talk to the cops or take polygraphs or do one thing to remove themselves as suspects in the case. Things have to make sense and this just does not make any sense at all.
    Thank you.That's something that needed to be said for a long time.
    Lack of a script on how most people would act in that situation doesn't mean their behavior is "normal" or unsuspicious.The fact of the matter is,the Ramseys behavior was so very uncharacteristic for that situation that it raised many red flags right from the beginning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bev
    there are some things about this case that will never be known, but they are details that drive you nutz - here's a few I have, what are yours?

    1. Why was it so important to the Ramseys' story that JonBenet was asleep when they got home and was taken directly to bed? Burke said she woke up and helped carry stuff into the house. We know she had pineapple, so why lie about her being asleep? It seems as though it would have been easier to say that she woke up when they pulled into the garage, they futzed around and had a snack and then went to bed - why was it important enough to lie about it? It's as if they were afraid to have anyone know the child was on the first floor that night between those hours - why? Did something happen in that part of the house?
    I suspect because they said that in the beginning and just had to stick with it. I suppose they said that in the beginning (and continued to say so despite the evidence to the contrary) because her being awake had something to do with what happened to her. They probably deny she was awake because admitting she was might make them appear more suspect then they already looked. They didn't want to answer any questions about what went on while she was awake, so they just deny she was at all. Opening that door just makes it possible that they might be guilty of something... no way they'd go there, so they slammed that door by claiming she was asleep from the moment she left the car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bev
    2. Why did Burke act so strangely that morning? Why did he pretend to be asleep, and why didn't his parents wake him up and ask him if he had seen or heard anything in the night? Why when his father came up to get him to take him to White's house, did he remain silent and not ask any questions? That's not the way nine year old boys act - they want to know everything that's going on and if a cop walks in the house, they're fascinated by him, and want to know why he's there. This kid did not ask ONE question or exhibit any fear or curiosity at all. (In my opinion, someone put the fear of God in this kid to keep him quiet. I can hear it now, "no matter what anyone asks you, you say you don't know, do you hear me?? Do you want Mom and Dad in jail?? Don't say anything!!!, I mean it, Burke!!!) And I don't care what anyone says about everyone being "different", nine year old boys don't act like that in that kind
    of situation - he didn't even ask, "is JonBenet going with us to the Whites?"
    According to the Ramseys, Burke was woken up once the house was full of people, JR told him that JBR was missing and he had to go to the White's for his own safety. I don't buy it. I think Burke knew something happened, his voice was heard by many on the 911 tape, and therefore had no need to ask questions. However, Burke was also known to be rather detached as part of his general personality anyway. I think you are correct, though, in believing he was admonished by his parents to keep his yap shut and quickly spirited away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bev
    3. How did that blood get in the underwear? She's been wiped clean, but there is blood on the crotch panel - so she had to have had them on, been injured, wiped clean, and then the underwear put back on with the longjohns with the urine stain in the front - otherwise, how could the blood have gotten there? Which means she had that pair of underwear on, she was injured, the underwear were pulled up, and then someone thought better of it, pulled them down, wiped her clean and then pulled the underwear back up. How else could the blood have gotten on that part of the underwear?
    My guess is that it pooled inside her and when she was moved into a vertical position when JR picked her up some of it dripped out to stain the panties. Not to be icky, but us ladies know how that can happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bev
    4. Patsy Ramsey was so insistent on the ransom note being on the spiral staircase, saying, "and that's how I come down every morning." How would an intruder know that? Why not leave it in her bed, or on the kitchen counter or the windshield of the car, or the steps leading down from their bedroom, where the parents would be sure of seeing it. And why would she never admit to having read the damned thing? Or why wouldn't she read it in the first place? If it was my kid, I'd of have it memorized. She insinuated to LE that it was 'weird" that Fleet White knew it so well - well, anyone with a brain and a heart would be reading that note over and over wondering if there was anything about it that could tell them who killed that little girl. What's weird, is that Patsy Ramsey didn't do that.
    JAR even said that those stairs were a nutty place for the note to be left and was part of why he believed that whoever left it knew the family very intimately and would have known Patsy or someone else would have gone down those steps first thing in the morning. Patsy knew every word of that note because she wrote it. Pretending to not have it memorized is just more protective distancing just like claiming JBR was asleep from the moment she left the car. She claims when she called 911 she had only read the first few lines, but when asked by the dispatcher who had signed the note she told them how it was signed. She then changed her story saying that she was looking at it spread out on the floor in the hallway by the kitchen where JR was reading it and that she read it over his shoulder.

    Like you, I don't believe she would not have memorized that note if she had actually seen it for the first time that morning, and it was written by someone else. I find it highly strange that both JR and PR didn't memorize everything about that note but neither one could verify much of what it said in their interviews. Everyone in the house was scouring that note but the Ramseys.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bev
    This baloney that the parents shouldn't be suspected because of their behavior, because everyone acts "differently" is just that - baloney. If everyone acted differently, we wouldn't have societal norms, we wouldn't have traditions, we wouldn't know how to act appropriately in situations. Not to get into anything too esoteric, but there is a biological mechanism in the brain called "theory of mind mechanism". It allows us to understand and act appropriately in society, because we observe appropriate behavior and store those reactions in the brain. These parents didn't act in the way innocent parents act - they go on tv, but can't talk to the police. They call a lawyer the very day it happened, and then refuse to be interviewed, they have investigators on Dec. 27th, taking statements from people who were there that day and don't even inform the police. They give physical evidence but won't talk to the cops or take polygraphs or do one thing to remove themselves as suspects in the case. Things have to make sense and this just does not make any sense at all.
    I absolutely agree.


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    A big question of mine is whether there really were two other voices on the original enhanced 911 tape. I'd like to hear it for myself...but oddly enough, that seems like the only piece of evidence in the case that hasn't been released in some manner (so far).
    Whether there really were other voices would be a big kicker...instantly exposing Ramsey lies. Next up would be whether the 3rd voice is reall Burke, or an unknown person.

    I do think Burke contradicting his parents' story about how Jonbenet was when they all got home was a slip in his coaching. When asked about whether he'd eaten any pineapple that night, Burke gave the "I don't remember". Did he really not remember...or did he know not to answer that question?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SleuthingSleuth
    A big question of mine is whether there really were two other voices on the original enhanced 911 tape. I'd like to hear it for myself...but oddly enough, that seems like the only piece of evidence in the case that hasn't been released in some manner (so far).
    Whether there really were other voices would be a big kicker...instantly exposing Ramsey lies. Next up would be whether the 3rd voice is reall Burke, or an unknown person.

    I do think Burke contradicting his parents' story about how Jonbenet was when they all got home was a slip in his coaching. When asked about whether he'd eaten any pineapple that night, Burke gave the "I don't remember". Did he really not remember...or did he know not to answer that question?
    CAn anyone direct me to where I can find Berke's talking about these things.


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    "Was it a drawing that you'd normally see in a textbook, or was it a drawing of what you would see if you were up close and personal?"

    Not only was it up close, he drew it with eyes and the clitoris for a nose.

    "SuperDave: I think you may be confusing the My Twin doll JBR was given for Christmas with the American Girl dolls JBR had a few of."

    i knew it was one of them!

    Here's the pic:

    Go to the 11th post on the "What If" thread at FFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    "SuperDave: I think you may be confusing the My Twin doll JBR was given for Christmas with the American Girl dolls JBR had a few of."

    i knew it was one of them!

    Here's the pic:

    Go to the 11th post on the "What If" thread at FFJ.
    Yeah, that's the American Girl doll. I don't think there is a photo available of JBR's My Twin doll.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    "Was it a drawing that you'd normally see in a textbook, or was it a drawing of what you would see if you were up close and personal?"

    Not only was it up close, he drew it with eyes and the clitoris for a nose.
    Eyes and a clitoris for a nose?

    I just can't let all this sexy talk go without telling a story!

    I student taught, Academic Biology (10th grade), a long time ago. The kids were studying 'roots'. I had them draw pictures of 'roots' on some poster paper. OK, you know what a root looks like right? Kinda, a long cone shape thing. Long, wider at the top, and narrowing and pointed at the end, as a root would be. So, being the ever brownie student teacher that I was, I hung the art work in the back of the room, alllll the way across the room!

    LOL, and for some reason, they were all black, I dunno as to why, now.

    OMG--- Then another teacher came into the room one day, and said to me, why do you have all those 'black penises' hanging back there? LMBO I was so naive!!!! But ya kno, after that, I realized, the drawings did look like penises. LOL all 20 some of them hanging in a long row!

    OK back on topic,


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    "Was it a drawing that you'd normally see in a textbook, or was it a drawing of what you would see if you were up close and personal?"

    Not only was it up close, he drew it with eyes and the clitoris for a nose.
    Dave, where have you read this or seen the picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    "Was it a drawing that you'd normally see in a textbook, or was it a drawing of what you would see if you were up close and personal?"

    Not only was it up close, he drew it with eyes and the clitoris for a nose.

    "SuperDave: I think you may be confusing the My Twin doll JBR was given for Christmas with the American Girl dolls JBR had a few of."

    i knew it was one of them!

    Here's the pic:

    Go to the 11th post on the "What If" thread at FFJ.
    SuperDave,

    As far as Burke's drawings,it's not quite as your discription above. Here is the snippet from the Globe tabloid:

    "DRAWING 4: a distorted body with what looks like female genitalia., it tells me that Burke is aware of sexual activity." .....
    ...."Sexual conflicts are evident in these doodles Burke made on a Sunday school notepad,says Dr. Glass."

    This is from the Globe,need I say more?

    I think it's all bogus.


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    I have a question! Anyone besides me not able to sleep at night from rereading the books written about this case, the transcripts, reading here, and at FFJ?

    I go to bed at night and lay there, thinking and thinking about JonBenet and all we know, think we know, and especially thinking about what we don't know. The frustration is taking it's toll on me. Sleep? what is that? I can't sleep!

    Will there ever be JUSTICE for JonBenet?


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    LaMer, I can totally relate--and I'm new to this board, but can't tell you the number of times I forced myself to go to bed at 1:00 am or later after reading the Laci board, before she was found. I remember I'd lie awake, crying, trying to figure out where she could be...

    Last night, I was so engrossed in reading the Ramsey interviews that I lost track of time, and suddenly I had a panic attack--I knew I was alone in the room and I'd been reading for hours, but where were my kids??? Had they gotten off the schoolbus??? If they were home, why couldn't I hear them???? I stared at the clock on my monitor and it said 11:00 and for a split second I was relieved because I knew they hadn't left for school yet, because they leave at noon...THEN I realized it was 11:00 *PM* and everyone was in bed....It was the weirdest feeling....
    He's guilty. Get over it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Betsy
    LaMer, I can totally relate--and I'm new to this board, but can't tell you the number of times I forced myself to go to bed at 1:00 am or later after reading the Laci board, before she was found. I remember I'd lie awake, crying, trying to figure out where she could be...

    Last night, I was so engrossed in reading the Ramsey interviews that I lost track of time, and suddenly I had a panic attack--I knew I was alone in the room and I'd been reading for hours, but where were my kids??? Had they gotten off the schoolbus??? If they were home, why couldn't I hear them???? I stared at the clock on my monitor and it said 11:00 and for a split second I was relieved because I knew they hadn't left for school yet, because they leave at noon...THEN I realized it was 11:00 *PM* and everyone was in bed....It was the weirdest feeling....
    Oh Betsy,
    I understand and I can relate I'm so relieved to know, I'm not alone! It is driving me nuts, cause when I feel that I am finally drifting off to sleep--finally you know---the words-sentences are still scrolling past my eyes!


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