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    Linda arndt's gut feeling on 12/26

    okay, linda said when she was around jr near the x-mas tree, she had her finger on her gun or something like that, as if she had a sick feeling in her gut that it was he, jr who had killed jbr. (sorry, not verbatim)
    i thought a lot about that this week after i opened my door to a psycho neighbor and saw the look in his eye. had i had a gun in a holster, i probably would have wanted to pull it on him.
    here's my question: i wonder how many times linda arndt's instinct and gut feelings were right about someone or something-a woman's intuition with police background?? i mean we knew lou smit's stats for solving unsolved crime, but what about hers?
    just curious for anyone whose interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellen13
    okay, linda said when she was around jr near the x-mas tree, she had her finger on her gun or something like that, as if she had a sick feeling in her gut that it was he, jr who had killed jbr. (sorry, not verbatim)
    i thought a lot about that this week after i opened my door to a psycho neighbor and saw the look in his eye. had i had a gun in a holster, i probably would have wanted to pull it on him.
    here's my question: i wonder how many times linda arndt's instinct and gut feelings were right about someone or something-a woman's intuition with police background?? i mean we knew lou smit's stats for solving unsolved crime, but what about hers?
    just curious for anyone whose interested.
    I'd say her gut feeling about thinking JR did it.......was Close. I think Patsy did it and John covered for her. Also think that LInda should never had picked up the body and moved it! THEN she should have thrown all the guests OUT of the house and TOLD JR. and wife to stay there. Seem's to me all the cops at the house seemed to be afraid of the Ramseys...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love_Mama
    I'd say her gut feeling about thinking JR did it.......was Close. I think Patsy did it and John covered for her. Also think that LInda should never had picked up the body and moved it! THEN she should have thrown all the guests OUT of the house and TOLD JR. and wife to stay there. Seem's to me all the cops at the house seemed to be afraid of the Ramseys...........

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    How many homicides/kidnappings had Linda Arndt worked in her entire life?
    For that matter how many had the entire, current Boulder PD ever worked?

    Very few, if my memory serves me correctly.

    A lone female detective, who had called for back-up and had received none for far too long during the day of the 26th, would, IMO, feel as if the entire situation was already totally out of hand, even by the time she arrived on the scene. Given that it was thought to be a kidnapping and she was female, she was probably even more hesitant to kick everyone out of the home and secure it as it should have been even if it was still thought to be a kidnapping. After JBR"s body was found, IMO things just continued to escilate to mass confusion. Did she perform logically and professionally as she should have? Nope. Did she do the best that she was capable of under the circumstances of the dysfunction evident within her own department? Probably.

    (Please excuse my generalizations about the fact that she was female. I know this opinion is politically incorrect, but I sincerely believe that females in certain roles, being given equal power of a male counterpart is often, at best, absurd. Many females either let it go to their head and force an unnecessary 'show of power' to demonstrate their "ability" to do the job as well as their male counterparts or fail miserably to stand up to the job at hand. Go ahead. Shoot me now. I know I often say exactly what I think and should keep my mouth shut! )

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    I think a competent female officer is every bit as capable of handling a dangerous situation as competent male officer.
    Regarding the "gut" or "hunch" of an officer, that can lead to a lot of trouble, IMO.It is a good competent officer that knows how to act on their "instinct" and that usually involves skill.

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    I remember an interview from way back in which Linda Arndt describes this "gut feeling" and "looking into JR's eyes and just knowng he did it". In more recent years, as I have become more interested (aka obsessed) with this case, I have been surprised that, having had such a strong feeling on day 1 of the investigation, why did she turn into such a toolbox as far as pursuing justice for JBR? Someone please correct me on where things turned around for her, because didn't she eventually get kind of chummy with the Rs, or at least PR? I though I read that somewhere.....

    In any event, I would think any cop who felt she had "looked into the eyes of a killer" would not stop until JR came to justice. Why did she do goofy things like withold her investigative notes from LE?

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    While it was still considered a kidnapping,Det.Arndt felt secure enough in John Ramsey,and felt no threat in John Ramsey to ask him to search the house on his own ...moments later as John brings up JonBenet's body,Det.Arndt knew then and there that John was the killer of JonBenet,even to the point of checking how many bullets she had in her gun.I'm sure her attitude towards John changed quite a bit,and I'm sure she shared her "instant revelation" with the rest of the LE.I don't call that professional.

    I'd get myself an attorney real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandraladeda
    I remember an interview from way back in which Linda Arndt describes this "gut feeling" and "looking into JR's eyes and just knowng he did it". In more recent years, as I have become more interested (aka obsessed) with this case, I have been surprised that, having had such a strong feeling on day 1 of the investigation, why did she turn into such a toolbox as far as pursuing justice for JBR? Someone please correct me on where things turned around for her, because didn't she eventually get kind of chummy with the Rs, or at least PR? I though I read that somewhere.....
    Yes,she did,I think she said it was because she always felt JR was the killer and PR the victim of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellen13
    okay, linda said when she was around jr near the x-mas tree, she had her finger on her gun or something like that, as if she had a sick feeling in her gut that it was he, jr who had killed jbr. (sorry, not verbatim)
    i thought a lot about that this week after i opened my door to a psycho neighbor and saw the look in his eye. had i had a gun in a holster, i probably would have wanted to pull it on him.
    here's my question: i wonder how many times linda arndt's instinct and gut feelings were right about someone or something-a woman's intuition with police background?? i mean we knew lou smit's stats for solving unsolved crime, but what about hers?
    just curious for anyone whose interested.
    I don't know how right on target she was,but I think she could see in his eyes and from his look that he knew what happened to her,and was giving her a threatening look.That much seems plausable to me.

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    There's been to many times in my own life that I've seen people be fooled/wrong about someone. They may be fooled into thinking someone is good, when in fact they do very bad things, and sometimes they can believe someone did a very bad thing when in fact they did not. Linda had already totally lost any control of the crime scene and then she is presented with the body of a dead 6 year old girl. IMO she had no clue as to what to do, she needed backup and a lot of help hours before!! I would not put much trust in her judgement at that time. Many times people see what they want to see, regardless of what the truth is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capps
    While it was still considered a kidnapping,Det.Arndt felt secure enough in John Ramsey,and felt no threat in John Ramsey to ask him to search the house on his own ...moments later as John brings up JonBenet's body,Det.Arndt knew then and there that John was the killer of JonBenet,even to the point of checking how many bullets she had in her gun.I'm sure her attitude towards John changed quite a bit,and I'm sure she shared her "instant revelation" with the rest of the LE.I don't call that professional.

    I'd get myself an attorney real quick.
    You got it Capps. Then people find it odd that the R's got attorneys.


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    In reference to the original post,

    In general I agree that going with one's initial observations and gut feeling is often the clearest path and best source of information. That's why I believe that any investigation or speculation at this point should focus on reports, notes, evidence, interviews, etc. collected/made within the first few hours/days after the supposed "kidnapping" and subsequent discovery of JB's body.

    I give little credence to theories based on interviews, remembrances, behaviours, observations, etc. occurring months or years after the fact. By the time the bits and pieces of the case have been plastered all over various media outlets, intertwined with rumour and mere innuendo, guessing, emotions and prejudices which have nothing to do with the case at hand (none of which are grounded in clear, observable, verifiable fact), people are remembering what they have been coached/pressured/conditioned to remember, what they think they should remember, and only those things that their egos will allow them to remember because they have devoted so much time, energy, argument, and other resources to pursuing one theory that, for whatever reason, they simply are not willing to relinquish -- even at the cost of wrongly accusing someone or never solving the case.

    That said, we cannot be sure LA's “gut feelings” were really that. She did not actually make notes on the case until 5 years after the fact, and even then such notes were transcribed from voice recordings by a friend. By that point any notes made were clouded, tainted, and/or influenced by her current feelings about the case, relationship with the R's, frustrations, prejudices etc., which is really too bad. Had she made her notes immediately, perhaps we would have a clearer picture with which to work/solve this case.

    I am not saying that the way this case has been bungled rests on LA’s shoulders alone, she is human and was dealing with a crime absolutely beyond the realm of humaneness and understanding.

    Dealing with this crime around Christmas/New Year’s, within a department not equipped/experienced to deal with crimes of this nature, etc. all contributed to the break down in following best practice. Her supervisor should have stepped in and allowed her time off from the hands on part of the investigation in order to take care of the paperwork end, or, at the very least, hired out the transcription.

    Anyone with experience in transcription, law enforcement, medical, social work practice, etc. knows that shorthand notes and voice recorded notes by their very nature/neccessity are often made in haste, with a few quick catch words and phrases meant to conjure feelings, pictures, and general lines of thoughts about a particular case.

    Voice recorded notes are often made when there is so much information coming in that one cannot possibly encode and organize it into long term memory immediately, much less write down all that has happened. Thus short notes and catch phrases/words are made to return to the moment, remember the entire picture. If we don’t transcribe/expand these shorthand/voice recorded notes within a certain amount of time, all the details of the broader picture, our initial lines of thought, etc. never make it into long term memory, and thus when we try many years afterwards to transcribe them, we simply are not getting the entire story -- those catch phrases and words hold no meaning any more, the ability of catch phrases and words to conjure the entire picture has dissolved -- so any gaps are filled in with current day thoughts, prejudices, emotions, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean
    You got it Capps. Then people find it odd that the R's got attorneys.
    I don't find it odd that they retained attorneys... I found it odd that they got them so quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist
    I don't find it odd that they retained attorneys... I found it odd that they got them so quickly.
    Well if LA said she had a gut feeling or a hunch he was the killer when he brought JBR up the stairs, I would say they needed them pretty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean
    Well if LA said she had a gut feeling or a hunch he was the killer when he brought JBR up the stairs, I would say they needed them pretty quick.
    Well, I don't think she said that out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist
    Well, I don't think she said that out loud.
    But do you think it affected her actions?

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