Calling the friends over?

I was on the fence in this case in the beginning ,but after reading on here since the karr fiasco I am starting to believe in the RDI theory.I have a great big problem with the R's calling their friends to come over that morning.I've tried to put myself in their place that morning and calling my friends would be the last thing on my mind.I think I would be very scared,very hyper,pacing around the house worrying,and I sure wouldn't want distractions from people at that time.I would be focusing on what LE was telling me and trying to do everything I could to assist them.It almost seems like they didn't want to face LE alone,one on one. This isn't my only reason for believing in their guilt but it is what I have the most trouble explaining about their behavior that morning.Anyone else that would have called their friends to come over in this situation?

paperhanger44z said:

It almost seems like they didn't want to face LE alone,one on one.

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Then why call LE at all?

paperhanger44z said:

I was on the fence in this case in the beginning ,but after reading on here since the karr fiasco I am starting to believe in the RDI theory.I have a great big problem with the R's calling their friends to come over that morning.I've tried to put myself in their place that morning and calling my friends would be the last thing on my mind.I think I would be very scared,very hyper,pacing around the house worrying,and I sure wouldn't want distractions from people at that time.I would be focusing on what LE was telling me and trying to do everything I could to assist them.It almost seems like they didn't want to face LE alone,one on one. This isn't my only reason for believing in their guilt but it is what I have the most trouble explaining about their behavior that morning.Anyone else that would have called their friends to come over in this situation?

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There are a handful of people that I am certain i would call, 100% positive.

4sure said:

Then why call LE at all?

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Ah....because you have a "missing" (dead) 6-year-old and someone's bound to notice right soon.

JBean said:

There are a handful of people that I am certain i would call, 100% positive.

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JBean,

Would you call them even if you had a note in your hand saying your child would be slaughtered if you did? Would you call them just for moral support (figuring the kidnappers who were going to kill her hadn't tapped your phone) or would you call them to come to the house (figuring the kidnappers who were going to kill her weren't watching even though they said they would)?

In this situation, I might call people (family, close friedns) for moral support, but I wouldn't call them to my house.

She may have called them for emotional support,as well as to have ppl there that could say they saw her alive the night b/f.I can't believe that JR didn't know JBR wasn't dead at that point, as some have speculated.I think he would have done more to find her if he hadn't already known.
I suspect in pointing out the housekeeper and saying that LHP wouldn't hurt JBR,she was trying to show that she wasn't afraid to call police based on that reason.

And to answer your q,I would probably/very likely more than not, call police, but only on my CELL PHONE.To me,using the regular phone in that situation indicates they had already used their cell phone prior to calling 911,to call lawyers,ask for advice,etc.,and didn't want those records known about.
As for calling friends,only if it was to organize a search party,and even then, in the event of a note as such,I would have them lay low and not come to my house.I would have them search streets,fields,yards,alleys,etc.

i do not understand why if they thought JBR was kidnapped they would call friends over.I would be worried that someone was watching the house waiting for me to set a foot wrong.Thus giving an excuse to kill my daughter. I find the friends coming over on mass like a posse really strange.Yes, I could understand it if the visitors were all searching streets etc but by all accounts they were there to support the Ramsay's.As far as crime scenes go what better way to contaminate one than having unnecessary people traipsing through..Made worse by the fact that LE should have kicked them all out asap.Nothing in this case is usual though is it?

southcitymom said:

JBean,

Would you call them even if you had a note in your hand saying your child would be slaughtered if you did? Would you call them just for moral support (figuring the kidnappers who were going to kill her hadn't tapped your phone) or would you call them to come to the house (figuring the kidnappers who were going to kill her weren't watching even though they said they would)?

In this situation, I might call people (family, close friedns) for moral support, but I wouldn't call them to my house.

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Same. I would call my mother and my sister. My friends would wait. I know I could trust my sister to get my mum to her house where they would wait and pray. I know if I 'implored' them to stay away for fear of harm to the missing child they wouldn't come near our home. Further I would probably ask my sister and her hubby-my BIL (who has a good relationship with LE both personal and professional) to make calls as I wouldn't want to even call the police.


Would I be cool as a cucumber handling all this? NO WAY. I feel sick even trying to 'imagine' what I'd do. I'd be shaking like mad and likely unable to even stand. My hubby would probably need to speak for me. FURTHER, you couldn't pry me away from her room and with a telephone in my hands and a clock visible at all times. (If that was her known last place to be )



But John, TWICE, heads to the basement to look for anything suspicious. I think John doing this is 'suspicous'!! :bang: Ah John, wasn't the last place you thought JonBenet was, was her bedroom?


Of course this is all my humble opinion. Again.



Jubie

southcitymom said:

JBean,

Would you call them even if you had a note in your hand saying your child would be slaughtered if you did? Would you call them just for moral support (figuring the kidnappers who were going to kill her hadn't tapped your phone) or would you call them to come to the house (figuring the kidnappers who were going to kill her weren't watching even though they said they would)?

In this situation, I might call people (family, close friedns) for moral support, but I wouldn't call them to my house.

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I cannot say for sure SCM..I truly see the problem that many have with them doing this, I am not trying to be contrary, but I am trying to be honest. I am 100% certain I would call the police. I would ASSume they would be equipped to handle (hahahaha) a discreet investigation, because I would guess almost all kidnappings require the victims to "not call the police" That would be SOP for kidnappings.

kazzbar said:

.As far as crime scenes go what better way to contaminate one than having unnecessary people traipsing through..Made worse by the fact that LE should have kicked them all out asap.Nothing in this case is usual though is it?

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As far as contaminating the crime scene, we know that LE there that morning didn't have any concerns about contaminating the crime scene. This is evidenced by Linda Arndt herself picking up JonBenets body and moving it to another part of the house.

JBean said:

I cannot say for sure SCM..I truly see the problem that many have with them doing this, I am not trying to be contrary, but I am trying to be honest. I am 100% certain I would call the police. I would ASSume they would be equipped to handle (hahahaha) a discreet investigation, because I would guess almost all kidnappings require the victims to "not call the police" That would be SOP for kidnappings.

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I hear you, JBean. I too am 100% sure I would call the police because I wouldn't know what else to do and I would assume they would have a clue. Pretty soon after that, I would probably be on the phone to at least one of my sisters, but I would probably wait until the police arrived and gave me some direction.

It is very hard to KNOW what any of us would do in the face of such terror, but I - like many - find the Ramsey's behavior very very odd.

Yes, I think filling the house with friends right after the note said they were being watched, proves to me they knew it wasnt a real ransom note.

What also bothers me was how they checked to see if Burke was in his bed, but then left him there. How did they know the kidnapper wasnt still in there, about to slip him out the window, etc.

I know if one of my children was presumed to be kidnapped, I would not leave my other child ALONE on a different floor, in the house that had just been intruded upon! I would grab that other child with both hands and not let go!

Atomic said:

I know if one of my children was presumed to be kidnapped, I would not leave my other child ALONE on a different floor, in the house that had just been intruded upon! I would grab that other child with both hands and not let go!

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Me too, Atomic! And I certainly wouldn't send my other child out of the house (like they sent Burke with the Whites) if I thought a kidnapper was out there with one of my children already.

This behavior just doesn't ring true. I can understand that different people handle things differently, but I can't understand parents of a kidnapped child not keeping the remaining child within the fold and under police protection.

southcitymom said:

Me too, Atomic! And I certainly wouldn't send my other child out of the house (like they sent Burke with the Whites) if I thought a kidnapper was out there with one of my children already.

This behavior just doesn't ring true. I can understand that different people handle things differently, but I can't understand parents of a kidnapped child not keeping the remaining child within the fold and under police protection.

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Yes, you are right.I would think that going in to see the other child and holding him would be the most natural thing in the world.Maybe, once the hoopla had died down you would send a child to Grandparents of family but not straight away. IMO Burke was taken out of the house to avoid any questioning by Police.Of this I have no doubt,whether it was because he knew something or perhaps it was to protect him from the trauma of the situation. but a lot of what went on in that house does not make any sense IMO.

A lot of what went on doesn't make sense, I have to agree, but for all we know, FW may have asked, do you want me to take Burke over to my house? Or maybe he didn't.

I don't think he's going to write a book and tell us. Can anyone imagin that?

What parent would want anyone to take their child out of their house, out of their sight, and out of their protective presence when their other child is missing and a ransom note says kidnappers who will behead her if the parents call anyone?

The kidnappers say they are watching the house! How do you know where they are or if they'll be able to grab your other child? How do you know that they won't actually cut the kidnapped child's head off if they see you've not only called police against their instructions, but some five, seven other people to come over as well - and are sending the other child out to go somewhere else?

Who would invite their friends to come over knowing kidnappers who have their baby are watching the house ready to cut her head off? How can they be sure the kidnappers aren't still really close by, in the house even, and willing to kill everyone on site?

Why didn't the Ramseys just have someone keep Burke upstairs if they thought being in the melee might be too much for him? With all of those people in the house, it would have been very easy to set Burke and his new game system in front of a tv with an adult to keep him company - there was no need to send him out of the house. And why didn't the Ramseys request a police escort if they felt they needed to send Burke elsewhere? How can they be so sure he'd be safe away from them?

The Ramseys knew that ransom note was bogus, and their actions prove it.

If I woke up to find my youngest child gone and a ransom note threatening decapitation, I would go get my other child up immediately, question him thoroughly, and then keep him within my sight until the matter was settled one way or another.

Let's not forget also that the very people they called over to the house that morning are people that they soon began accusing of the crime.

If your child is kidnapped, do you call over people you believe could be capable of the crime?

I usually try to avoid all the "The Ramseys are guilty because of the way they behaved!" conjecture because I think so much of it is subject to interpretation, and frankly, I don't know what's the "normal" way to behave when your six year old is kidnapped. Is it so weird to try to get what's left of your family away and out of danger (and if I were rich enough, I might call my pilot and private jet to do it)? Who says Patsy was peeking through splayed fingers to see how her "performance" was going over? Maybe her fingers were just spread and she held her head in her hands and she wasn't peeking at anything. An observer is interpreting that behavior as suspicious, probably with 20/20 hindsight as well.

Anyway, there's a whole host of interpretations of Ramsey behavior that people cite as evidence of their guilt which I try to ignore. But this example of something they did--calling over just about the whole neighborhood to their house for "moral support" is one of the most suspicious things they did. To me it's inconceivable that the Ramseys were so close to all of these people that they needed to be near them at this terrible moment in their lives, and yet, within a few days the Ramseys were offering each of them up as suspects.

I don't know why they called all these people over. I don't know if they were sophisticated enough to intentionally try to contaminate the crime scene or use all these people to create additional confusion to complicate the investigation. If I had to guess, I think they probably did it to have real live witnesses there to attest to the fact that they were wonderful people.

Karen

I would have called the police, my parents, my brother and my 2 closest friends.

Family and close friends - for emotional support
Police - becasue i would have no idea what to do if my child was kidnapped

I would have called police too - but - would you have failed to mention the threat to your child's life when calling police? Would you have told them the kidnappers say they're watching, so come in unmarked cars? I would have them right away that my child's life is threatened for god's sake don't them know I've called you! and I find it odd that the Rs didn't say that at all.

Calling friends and relatives for emotional support, sure - but asking them to come over, not knowing where the kidnappers are, and knowing they're said they'll cut your child's head off if you call anyone is different. Plus there's the risk that the 'napper is still nearby and could do anything to anyone at anytime. I don't want my friends and family coming over walking into danger.

And sending your other child out of the house and out of your presence - again, not knowing where the kidnappers are and knowing they've said they'll cut your child's head off simply does not make sense - unless they knew the RN was bogus to begin with.