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    Strange commentary posted today on-line covering anything and everything that might be Gosch related....
    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...cle_1294.shtml

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    It sort of lays it out. It's bizarre in a sort of in-your -face way. I have never bought the Gannon-Gosch thing. He makes a case for it though. I wasn't aware of the 196 trips to the white house, with 30 odd something being when there was no press conference.

    Put another log on the fire.

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    This thread may be reopened once I've had a chance to evaluate the posts.

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    Now open. Thanks.

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    Thanks, Jeana. Hopefully we can all remember to play nice in here.
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    I for one cannot understand why these Gosht threads get so grumpy. Playing nice is not that difficult. I am a fence sitter regarding this case.I think it is possible that there was a ring involved but equally possible it is just a sick perv prowling on young boys. The whole case is very interesting and absorbing but so complicated. I read all the posts but do not post often as I have very little to impart of any use. Enjoy reading both sides immensely. Some of you guys put a lot of work and effort in and I value that.Thankyou to you all.

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    a smiling time

    Congrats on getting the thread reopened. I hope fine discussions are had by all in the pursuit of the truth of the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzbar
    I for one cannot understand why these Gosht threads get so grumpy. Playing nice is not that difficult. I am a fence sitter regarding this case.I think it is possible that there was a ring involved but equally possible it is just a sick perv prowling on young boys. The whole case is very interesting and absorbing but so complicated.
    I agree.

    I would describe myself as an "open-minded skeptic", if that is not an oxymoron. Fantastic claims require a high level of proof, which is what I am hoping the "pro-conspiracy" advocates can offer. And I am just as interested in seeing the rebuttals by the "no conspiracy" folks also.

    My general take on the conspiracy is: If there is a conspiracy, what evidence would we find? To paraphrase the famous story of six blind men trying to describe an elephant: if a conspiracy were an elephant and it was hidden behind a sheet that is the coverup, little portions of the elephant would peek out from behind the sheet every once in awhile. I believe that there is some peeking (the Congressional "Call-Boy Scandal" of the 1980's, current news items of some Congressmen being interested in teenage boys, etc.), but these peeks do not necessarily add up to an elephant.

    Some of the more ridiculous claims by the internet conspiracists have Bush the Elder and Dick Cheney raping drugged-up little girls during the Reagan administration, while W was waiting in the other room for his turn. Others have Bill and Hillary savaging a young female abductee in the White House. I immediately dismiss such info as politically-motivated foolishness. This type of nonesense actually takes away from the believibility of a conspiracy that might be true. I recognize that there are rational, dedicated researchers who believe in a conspiracy, and I am sure that they are as equally embarrassed by this stuff as I am repelled by it.

    When there are organized pedophile crime syndicates operating openly in Thailand and other countries (with at least the tacit support of their governments), it is probably unrealistic to think that similar organizations do not exist in the USA and some LE turns a blind eye. However, it is equally unrealistic to think that a conspiracy that reaches all the way to the presidency in at least four administrations would be able to (for the most part) hide that information from the press and the public for a quarter of a century. Hell, this administration couldn't even hide the fact that some Al-Queda were being held in jails in other countries - how could they sudden get so brilliant at covering up something much more damaging?

    To accomplish such a task would require damn near everybody at all levels of government and LE to be complicit in the conspiracy, which seems ludicrous. I am reminded of some of the broader JFK conspiracy theories that had a similar huge number of participants: why didn't they just wait a year and vote him out instead? They would have had the votes.

    I am much more inclined to believe in a smaller conspiracy involving some on the fringes of goverment and a couple of well-placed LE. Unfortunately, one problem with any conspiracy theory is that lack of evidence requires that someone "must be covering it up" and the number of conspirators grows from there. LE cannot find evidence of a pedo ring? - they must be part of the conspiracy. News media not screaming about this every day on TV and in the newspapers? - they must be in on it too. Bloggers who question a conspiracy are agents for the ring designed to obscure. The more inflammatory pro-conspiracy advocates are actually "disinformation specialists" bringing discredit upon the legitimate conspiracy advocates. And the conspiracy continues to grow...

    Which is why I say let's look into the source for so much of the conspiracy theory: Paul Bonacci. Before we were stalled with the thread being reviewed, FranklinFiles had emailed Bonacci and Wm. Thomas was going to contact him also. Is there any progress on these attempts to nail down questions that we have for Bonacci? If Bonacci is a money-grabber looking to get a share of $110 million, then the conspiracy theory falls apart. If his story stands up, then there is real evidence that a conspiracy exists.
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  9. #159
    Police conclude boy in photo isn't Gosch
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    October 17, 2006


    West Des Moines police concluded today that old photos that some hoped signaled a break in a years-old disappearance did not include Johnny Gosch.

    A Florida investigator tracked down one of three former youths depicted in the photos that turned up in late August over the Internet. The man told the investigator none of the images were of the West Des Moines paperboy who disappeared in 1982......

    ....But Florida State's Attorney Investigator Nelson Zalva told police he interviewed a now 40-year-old man who was in one of the photos. The man and the two other youthes were identified in an anonymous letter sent to West Des Moines police.

    The letter, postmarked from Tampa, Fla., identified all three people in the photos, West Des Moines police spokesman Jeff Miller said.

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    Greta is talking about it.
    One of the three children in photo has been located. Sorry if this has already been said.
    Gave the boys firecrackers for posing like this.


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    thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by audrey77
    . . .The letter, postmarked from Tampa, Fla., identified all three people in the photos, West Des Moines police spokesman Jeff Miller said.
    Great entire post! Thank you for the info!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by docwho3
    Great entire post! Thank you for the info!!
    Great news to have some "official" confirmation of things.

    Question: Does this also cover the photo of the single boy? In other words, was he also in the photo of the 3 boys? Or are we still trying to figure out if he's Johnny?

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    Ok this is totally bizarre. Go to Noreen's website and read her letter of today. In it, she says they have talked to the two parents of the boys in the photo (Johnny being the third), and that they are in fact missing / abducted.

    Unless I read it wrong, what in the world is going on??? If they are missing, then who in the heck are they??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insguru
    Great news to have some "official" confirmation of things.

    Question: Does this also cover the photo of the single boy? In other words, was he also in the photo of the 3 boys? Or are we still trying to figure out if he's Johnny?
    My understanding, limited as it is, was that the single boy was one of the three people in the three boys pic. However, once the info about tampering and staged pics came out I really did not follow the claims of the pics supporters as closely as I might otherwise have done. Perhaps others can shed more light on that question.

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    interesting

    Quote Originally Posted by Insguru
    Ok this is totally bizarre. Go to Noreen's website and read her letter of today. In it, she says they have talked to the two parents of the boys in the photo (Johnny being the third), and that they are in fact missing / abducted.

    Unless I read it wrong, what in the world is going on??? If they are missing, then who in the heck are they??
    So she is placing herself in direct conflict withthe statements of those investigating her sons disappearance? I would say this will come to a head and someone will be proven to have been lying. These statements by both sides are too public to be ignored or washed away by spin by either side. At this point I greatly doubt noreens story.

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