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    TX - Two Mothers Who Killed Children Form Bond

    Wasn't sure where to file this, under Yates, Schlosser, or here ...

    POSTED: 1:10 pm PDT October 8, 2006


    DALLAS -- Two Texas women who killed their young children in cases that drew nationwide attention have formed a friendship at a state hospital, a newspaper reports.

    Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in the bathtub, and Dena Schlosser, whose baby died after she severed the girl's arms with a kitchen knife, became roommates at the Maple unit of the North Texas State Hospital after each was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

    "We talk about our past, we talk about our memories, our fun memories, the things that our kids did," Schlosser told The Dallas Morning News. With the support of her family, Schlosser agreed to be interviewed several times by phone.

    Yates did not want to come to the phone. But her ex-husband Rusty Yates, who still regularly visits her at the hospital in Vernon, 174 miles northwest of Dallas, said Schlosser has become a friend.
    The two women will probably be in the state's care for years, remaining at Vernon or another hospital until their doctors and judges agree they can be released.


    Conversations between the women often revolve around their young daughters - Mary Yates was 6 months old and Maggie Schlosser was 10 months old when they died.


    Schlosser's parents, Connie and Mick Macaulay of Canada, said their daughter once tearfully called after talking with Yates.


    "They'd talked a lot about Mary and Maggie," said Mick Macaulay, a mental health counselor. "They were feeling guilty, remorseful and sad."


    Schlosser, 37, was already at the hospital when Yates, 42, arrived this summer. Yates drowned her children at her family home in suburban Houston in 2001 and Schlosser cut off her daughter's arms in her family home in suburban Dallas in 2004.


    The women have much in common. Both were married, stay-at-home moms who followed out-of-the mainstream religious leaders. Both suffered from postpartum depression and psychosis after the birth of their daughters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK
    Wasn't sure where to file this, under Yates, Schlosser, or here ...

    POSTED: 1:10 pm PDT October 8, 2006


    DALLAS -- Two Texas women who killed their young children in cases that drew nationwide attention have formed a friendship at a state hospital, a newspaper reports.

    Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in the bathtub, and Dena Schlosser, whose baby died after she severed the girl's arms with a kitchen knife, became roommates at the Maple unit of the North Texas State Hospital after each was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

    "We talk about our past, we talk about our memories, our fun memories, the things that our kids did," Schlosser told The Dallas Morning News. With the support of her family, Schlosser agreed to be interviewed several times by phone.

    Yates did not want to come to the phone. But her ex-husband Rusty Yates, who still regularly visits her at the hospital in Vernon, 174 miles northwest of Dallas, said Schlosser has become a friend.
    The two women will probably be in the state's care for years, remaining at Vernon or another hospital until their doctors and judges agree they can be released.


    Conversations between the women often revolve around their young daughters - Mary Yates was 6 months old and Maggie Schlosser was 10 months old when they died.


    Schlosser's parents, Connie and Mick Macaulay of Canada, said their daughter once tearfully called after talking with Yates.


    "They'd talked a lot about Mary and Maggie," said Mick Macaulay, a mental health counselor. "They were feeling guilty, remorseful and sad."


    Schlosser, 37, was already at the hospital when Yates, 42, arrived this summer. Yates drowned her children at her family home in suburban Houston in 2001 and Schlosser cut off her daughter's arms in her family home in suburban Dallas in 2004.


    The women have much in common. Both were married, stay-at-home moms who followed out-of-the mainstream religious leaders. Both suffered from postpartum depression and psychosis after the birth of their daughters.
    more at link:http://www.ktvu.com/news/10029063/detail.html
    Oh isn't that special that they both have a new friend It's too bad that their children...WHO THEY MURDERED...will never have the opportunity to have friends.

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    I am just glad they are having a good time. I just can not understand why they are not in jail. Schlosser, I can buy that one but yates? come on drowning kids one by one. Have you ever tried to hold down a 6 month old, let alone big kids? I will stop now, i am in the wrong forum with my ramblings.

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    well, at least they feel remorse. i guess the only think left they can do to atone for the sins and prove their remorse is kill themselves- i'm sure that would make a lot of people happy. doesn't it mean anything to anyone that these women don't just go around ramdomly preying on and abusing children? they were by all accounts good mothers before these crimes, loving and caring (not neglecting or beating them) until they started going psychotic and snapped. it's not like they killed the kids for the insurance money, or out of revenge becaue their boyfriend or husband was mean to them, or because they didn't make the cheerleading team.
    they were found to be insane by a court of law, and therefore sentenced to a hospital instead of jail.. because obviously they were very sick. is there anyone here who disagrees that they were very sick? esp. in andrea's case, she had a long DOCUMENTED history of serious mental problems. it's not like she just woke up one day and decided "oh, i think i'll become mentally ill today so i can kill my kids in cold blood and get away with it."

    the question is, does remorse (or lack of remorse) help prove someone was mentally ill when they committed a crime? lack of it would probably mean sociopathic tendencies (and being a sociopath doesn't ncessarily mean you're a 'raving lunatic', usually these people act quite sane and normal).. or else they were so crazy they didn't even know or care they murdered their kids.
    yet if they show remorse, that might lead people to believe they are more sane than insane.
    people angrily accuse them of sanity because they called 911. would you rather they had NOT called 911? would it fit everyone's definition of insanity if they had taken the childrens' bodies and hid them somewhere, and made up a lie about it? that seems far more sociopathic to me than psychotic.
    a person can completely lose their mind and still know to call 911, through the haze of their psychosis.

    i don't know what the answer is.. but i do know that whatever was done with them, people are going to argue "they should be put to death" "no, they should be made to live and suffer"... so no matter what happens, people will never be satisfied.

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    you prove a good point but I feel like there was def. a double standard here, if Rusty had drowned the kids he would be sitting om death row, mentally ill or not.

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    Both of these women need to be shoved off a cliff

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    2sisters-- hhmm... interesting point, do you think? i wonder if that's true. i think previously-loving fathers who kill their children and have a recorded history of obvious psychosis with delusions and hallucinations- they probably are deemed insane also & sent to a hospital. but for some reason, dads who go nuts & kill their kids usually kill themselves also (and their wives). gotta love that testosterone.

    question-- did either of these women have court-ordered sterilization.. and if not,, why not? is there even such a thing anymore? if not, when did it become illegal and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reb
    2sisters-- hhmm... interesting point, do you think? i wonder if that's true. i think previously-loving fathers who kill their children and have a recorded history of obvious psychosis with delusions and hallucinations- they probably are deemed insane also & sent to a hospital. but for some reason, dads who go nuts & kill their kids usually kill themselves also (and their wives
    In some cases, yes. but you have to admit there is a double standard though when a man commits this kind of crime. In some of the caseslike that people rarealy say ' well, he was a little touched in the head, lets get him out of jail" most, myself included are ready to burn him at the stake.I recall the Riley Fox case where most of us thought Kevin killed his child, nobody questions whether he was depressed or psychotic jsut that he was a horrible monster. It really doesn't matter b/c Andrea yates, whenther she is in jail or not will be punished until the day she dies. Nobody is going to let her live comfortably, even if she is released one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Hamilton
    Both of these women need to be shoved off a cliff
    I agree , here they are able to form friendships and their children never will be able to.

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    They are both not guilty by reason of insanity. If any of you think that spending what will most likely be the rest of their lives in a state run mental hospital is a picnic, you've seriously got another thing coming. Most people have said they'd rather be on death row. BOTH of their husbands KNEW that they were loosing their minds and BOTH of their husbands left them alone with small children. If you read about Schlosser, you'll learn that more than a few times, he begged mental hospital staff to release her and PROMISED that with his help and the help of their extended family, he would MAKE SURE that she took her meds and attended her counselling. Even as his lips were moving, he knew that it was a lie because their church did not believe in any of it. He simply wanted her at home, mentally deranged or not. Yates wasn't much better. The only thing that prevented those children from being murdered much sooner than they were was his mother being there some of the time. Unless and until society stops BLAMING those who are mentally ill and starts accepting the fact that a great many people need psychiatric help for whatever reason and removes the stigma from them, more children will die needlessly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    They are both not guilty by reason of insanity. If any of you think that spending what will most likely be the rest of their lives in a state run mental hospital is a picnic, you've seriously got another thing coming. Most people have said they'd rather be on death row. BOTH of their husbands KNEW that they were loosing their minds and BOTH of their husbands left them alone with small children. If you read about Schlosser, you'll learn that more than a few times, he begged mental hospital staff to release her and PROMISED that with his help and the help of their extended family, he would MAKE SURE that she took her meds and attended her counselling. Even as his lips were moving, he knew that it was a lie because their church did not believe in any of it. He simply wanted her at home, mentally deranged or not. Yates wasn't much better. The only thing that prevented those children from being murdered much sooner than they were was his mother being there some of the time. Unless and until society stops BLAMING those who are mentally ill and starts accepting the fact that a great many people need psychiatric help for whatever reason and removes the stigma from them, more children will die needlessly.
    I agree with you. There is a difference. Those two women were mentally SICK, not evil. IMO. Now Susan Smith is an EVIL beyotch and I'd push her a$$ off a cliff myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SadieMae
    I agree with you. There is a difference. Those two women were mentally SICK, not evil. IMO. Now Susan Smith is an EVIL beyotch and I'd push her a$$ off a cliff myself.

    I couldn't agree with you more~!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    They are both not guilty by reason of insanity. If any of you think that spending what will most likely be the rest of their lives in a state run mental hospital is a picnic, you've seriously got another thing coming. Most people have said they'd rather be on death row. BOTH of their husbands KNEW that they were loosing their minds and BOTH of their husbands left them alone with small children. If you read about Schlosser, you'll learn that more than a few times, he begged mental hospital staff to release her and PROMISED that with his help and the help of their extended family, he would MAKE SURE that she took her meds and attended her counselling. Even as his lips were moving, he knew that it was a lie because their church did not believe in any of it. He simply wanted her at home, mentally deranged or not. Yates wasn't much better. The only thing that prevented those children from being murdered much sooner than they were was his mother being there some of the time. Unless and until society stops BLAMING those who are mentally ill and starts accepting the fact that a great many people need psychiatric help for whatever reason and removes the stigma from them, more children will die needlessly.

    This should be repeated, and thank you for your post Jeana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gozgals
    This should be repeated, and thank you for your post Jeana.

    Gozgals

    Welcome darlin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Hamilton
    Both of these women need to be shoved off a cliff
    I'm with you.

    Who cares whether they were mentally ill, they KILLED their children, that's the bottom line.

    I'm all for removing the stigma of mental illness, but giving these women a pass is wrong wrong wrong.

    Chopping your kids arms off and or drowning them is evil, whichever way you look at it.

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