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    IL - Roger Holyfield, 17, dies after tazing by Jerseyville police, 28 Oct 2006

    This really makes me angry. This kid was not hurting anyone but now he is dead. You didn't use to need tazers to subdue someone but now it seems someone is dying every week after being tazered.

    JERSEYVILLE, Ill. Authorities are investigating the death of a 17-year-old boy who died after officers in this St. Louis-area community shot him twice with a stun gun while he carried a Bible and cordless telephone, shouting "I want Jesus."

    Roger Holyfield died Sunday night at a St. Louis hospital, a day after the former Jersey Community High School's confrontation with police.

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    I think that there is more to this then meets the eye, could you please provide a link to the full story.

    I put money that there was some sort of 'drug" history or drug use involved.

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    But was it the tazer? They don't know that yet - with his behavior, he could very likely have been high and overdosed on something that really killed him.

    Tazers save a lot of lives too. Police would otherwise need to physically subdue people, and some of them would no doubt become a threat to the officer's safety - thus meaning gunfire if non-leathal alternatives were not available.

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    oh goody,, another story the media is spinning to make cops look like the bad guys. hhhmmm..... you seem to have left out the part about him yelling at the officers, not responding to them and getting COMBATATIVE with them, after he ignored their warnings when they tried to calm him down.

    smells like drugs to me. mental illness, MAYBE.... but more likely- drugs. they probably didn't mean to kill him, but when someone is on drugs and they are aggressive and combatative to a police offer-- hey you get what you deserve- which is to be tasered. if he was on drugs then it's HIS fault he died, NOT the cop's!!!!!! please don't make this guy into a saint or a martyr just because he was 'calling for jesus'. so what? that doesn't mean anything,, insane or drugged out people do that all the time. just makes a good news story, because the media knows readers will feel sorry for him and paint him as the innocent god-fearing victim.

    ..at least not until you hear the whole story. but knowing the media today, i doubt we ever will.

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    I'm not a cop, but I can't imagine facing the unknown all the time like they have to. They didn't use guns; they didn't beat the boy. They tried to control him with a tazer. I don't know the whole story, but if he was wigging out, what were they supposed to do?

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    Yeah it happened here also, a person was "tasered" and died. But alas, when they did the autopsy, they found high levels of cocaine in his system, booze, and meth. His heart was already "racing" when he was tasered, so again he was pre-disposed to an erratic heart beat, the drugs contributed greatly to his death. If he was not under the influence, then the taser would not have killed him

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberLaw
    I think that there is more to this then meets the eye, could you please provide a link to the full story.

    I put money that there was some sort of 'drug" history or drug use involved.
    Sorry, I forgot the link:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226417,00.html

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    I am not defending the kid for resisting arrest, I am simply saying that there must be better ways to subdue a "child" (and yes, he is still a child) than with 2 tazer shots. The article states that 156 people have died in the last 5 years from tazers.

    It has nothing to do with him shouting for Jesus (although is this a crime? Last I checked it is not yet...but probably will be in my lifetime). I think that this was extreme for just standing on the street corner and shouting.

    Call me crazy if you like, but we are becoming a "less than democratic country" where many of our freedoms are being taken away from us. Yes, some religious, but many just human and american.

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    Accepting both biased stats in that article as true -
    In a report released in March, international human rights group Amnesty International said it had logged at least 156 deaths across the country in the previous five years related to police stun guns. The company has said Tasers have saved more than 9,000 lives because police officers have been able to use stun guns instead of bullets.
    Not a bad ratio - saving 8,844 lives! Of course, Amnesty International is probably biased to list deaths as caused by taser, even when the drugs or some such were the major cause of death; and the Taser company probably exaggerates the number of lives saved... but still, the taser looks good.


    And the police do have a responsibility not to just let this guy go screaming through the neighborhood - they can't just let him go because he's combative, just give up. If he's going to be combative, it should be with the police, they shouldn't just let him go off to get combative at the next civilian person he comes across. Taser is the easy option, the safest option for this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spclk
    I am not defending the kid for resisting arrest, I am simply saying that there must be better ways to subdue a "child" (and yes, he is still a child) than with 2 tazer shots. The article states that 156 people have died in the last 5 years from tazers.

    It has nothing to do with him shouting for Jesus (although is this a crime? Last I checked it is not yet...but probably will be in my lifetime). I think that this was extreme for just standing on the street corner and shouting.

    Call me crazy if you like, but we are becoming a "less than democratic country" where many of our freedoms are being taken away from us. Yes, some religious, but many just human and american.
    Making a disturbance can be a crime - I don't see the time (was it middle of the night?) - but that's not why he was shot by the taser. He was shot when he became combative. Police can't just walk away from that - the next person he becomes combative at probably won't have a taser nor a gun to defend themselves with. He may still be a child - but at 17, plenty big enough to kill if he's not in his right mind - or if he is, and it's not a very right mind.

    This isn't religious - he was having a freakout, not trying to preach or communicate to people. And he was combative, and the officers used the gentlest method that he allowed them to use.


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    The Police are not going to risk their lives because they do not use the taser. I rather the Taser is used, then a gun.

    A youth was on the ground, he was in the process of being handcuffed, he had a "small "jacknife" hidden, in his hand. He attempted a "round house" swing, to "stab" the cop(s). The cops had no choice but to shoot him, he died. He was 17.

    Well an inquest was held. The families position, was that "he was murdered", the cops got away with "murder", that there was no knife and the cops only wanted to kill him because of his ethnic background. You know, the cops lied, they planted evidence, they planted a fake knife, they did not tell the kid they were cops, etc. It was the cops fault that the kids died, he was just such a "great" kid.

    Everything except that their kid tried to "knife" two cops and they defended themselves with lethal force. If he did not try to knife the cops, then he would not have died. End of story.

    The family is still "suing" police........even though their kid was at fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spclk
    I am not defending the kid for resisting arrest, I am simply saying that there must be better ways to subdue a "child" (and yes, he is still a child) than with 2 tazer shots. The article states that 156 people have died in the last 5 years from tazers.

    It has nothing to do with him shouting for Jesus (although is this a crime? Last I checked it is not yet...but probably will be in my lifetime). I think that this was extreme for just standing on the street corner and shouting.

    Call me crazy if you like, but we are becoming a "less than democratic country" where many of our freedoms are being taken away from us. Yes, some religious, but many just human and american.
    Some 17 year olds are bigger than the cops trying to arrest them. My stepson is a 16 year old "child", 6'3" and 235#. It's not about not being democratic, or about Jesus, it's about obeying the authority of the law. The cops probably had families and children also. My sister is a cop and a single Mom. At 5'3" I doubt she's going to take any chances that would prevent her from raising her child, and she doesn't want "shoot to kill" any one else's child. The tazer is a method to control an out of control person. What normal person stands on a street corner shouting anyway. Somethings wrong there...they are on drugs or mental. JMO.

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    i don't know what's happening in our society that the criminals, trouble-makers & murderers are being made into martyrs by their family, and then the media picks up on it and they become some kind of folk hero... and cops are the evil bad guys for just doing their job. i am so sick of this. sure there are some bad and corrupt cops just like all people. but they are HUMAN-- they have a job that most of us would never want, and i'd like to see what society would be like if we didn't have them-- it would be a mess, anarchy, a free-for-all-- you wouldn't have 911 to dial- you'd have to defend yourself. i think cops deserve our utmost repect- and in cases like this, the benefit of the doubt. most are just doing their job to the best of their ability- which is to protect and serve- and they certainly deserve to stay alive and go home to their families at night. why do we always make them out to be the enemy? because we feel harassed when we get a traffic ticket?? OK, no one likes speed traps, or to see cops pick on us easy targets, when they should be dealing with crack houses and criminals. but most every time i got a ticket or stopped by a cop, i deserved it-- that's what they do. there are traffic laws for a reason, to keep people safe!! other than that, why do people hate cops so much?? who exactly are YOU (meaning anyone) going to call when someone is attacking you and you need help???
    cops save so many lives every day and when do they get credit for that? they only get raked across the coals every time a drug addict or criminal dies in their custody, which makes the headlines nationwide. what about the heroes-- those who risk their own life to help others??? oh yeah- i forgot-- that's what they're doing EVERY DAY. it's kind of like being a soldier on the front lines, except they never get to go home!

    as for the taser-- what were they supposed to do? did you have a better idea? oh yeah, tackle them, and get stabbed? or get in touble for laying a hand on them?

    that being said i rather enjoy when a cop does beat the ***** out of somebody who is trying to elude them and threatening them. they usually deserve it. and they usually do have a weapon. a cop has a right to defend his/her own life. and if that involves beating someone down, so be it. and if someone has a coke-induced heart attack, then hallelujah- that's one less **** on the streets or clogging up the prison system. it's their own fault anyway.

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    reb, I like the way you think.

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    Holyfield became combative when officers tried to calm him, then was shot with a stun gun after ignoring their warnings to comply with their commands, police said. He was shot a second time when he continued struggling, police said.


    It's just my opinion but I really don't see a problem here. The officers did what they had to do to deal with a compative person. As for him being 17 years old, a 17 year old can hurt you just as badly as a 25 year old. Not that it matters but I doubt seriouslly that he gave the officers his age.
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