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  1. #496
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    Steven R Stallworth



    I'd like to correct an error that I made in an earlier post concerning this individual. I stated that he appeared in court on Oct 15th, 2016. That date may actually be the date of the article that published a video of his indictment. So I stand corrected.

    With that being said there is a possibility that this individual could be considered a POI in the 2006 murders as well as the murder of Joyce Vanderhoff.

    Concerning the Tara Rogers-Alicia case:

    The State Medical Examinerís Office, in consultation with a State Medical Anthropologist, determined the cause of death to be asphyxiation by strangulation, and ruled her death a homicide.

    A joint investigation by the Atlantic County Prosecutorís Office Major Crimes Unit, the Egg Harbor Township Police Department, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), with the assistance of the Pleasantville Police Department, culminated in the arrest of Stallworth on August 5, 2014. Detectives arrested Stallworth without incident in Mays Landing at approximately 9:40 a.m.


    http://www.gallowaytownshipnews.com/...or-murder.html

    I do remember the winter of 2014 when the bodies of Tara Rogers-Alicia & Joyce Vanderhoff were discovered. One couldn't help but speculate that the person responsible for the 2006 murders was active again. Judging by the amount of resources devoted to solving the Rogers-Alicia case I'm not the only one who felt that may have been a possibility.

    There has been very little information released concerning the particulars of this case and I do not know when it is scheduled to come to trial.

    Here's a link to the Websleuths thread concerning Tara Rogers-Alicia.
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...r-31-July-2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttley View Post
    Someone asked what the weather was on and before Nov 19th 2006 and what the tides were in order to guesstimate how much water may have been in the drainage ditch. I did look it up and I am sorry for not posting it sooner, just been busy. Here is a link to Nov 19th, scroll down and look at "precipitation" of course. Note there was 0 that day, BUT, for the month-to-date there was 4.9 inches and it indicates the average is ONLY 2.03! The moon phases are also indicated on the right side, note that Nov 20th is a new moon, but from what I am reading that doesn't indicate the tide since it's both sun and moon. So any expert opinion on that would be appreciated:

    https://www.wunderground.com/history...eqdb.wmo=99999
    I'd be interested in knowing about the tides in that ditch as well. The last victim couldn't have been in the water any more than 33 hrs. She was last seen alive at 5:00 am on Nov.19th and her body was discovered around 2:30 pm the next day (Nov. 20th).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post
    I'd be interested in knowing about the tides in that ditch as well. The last victim couldn't have been in the water any more than 33 hrs. She was last seen alive at 5:00 am on Nov.19th and her body was discovered around 2:30 pm the next day (Nov. 20th).
    Cyinical_1,
    True and good thought about the tide! It could help us narrow the time Ms. Raffo was in the ditch, and explain the positioning, for example:
    If we theorize for a moment that the tide is controlling the position of the bodies. High tide, all the bodies "float" free of the bottom. As the tide lowers and the water flows, say the ditch is uneven and DEEPER on the NE side, then the legs and feet would touch bottom and the top half may move with the water and end up pointing downstream a little, and end up pointing due East. If it's about a 12 hour cycle, this can prove what you have already speculated Cyinical_1, that Ms. Raffo was put in the ditch early A.M. and the Golden Key was used to block visual from the BHP. From our weather page, we also have sunrise indicated on that day at 6:46AM

    I still have not been able to locate tidal records earlier than 2014. I hope someone can either find it or calculate it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttley View Post
    Cyinical_1,
    True and good thought about the tide! It could help us narrow the time Ms. Raffo was in the ditch, and explain the positioning, for example:
    If we theorize for a moment that the tide is controlling the position of the bodies. High tide, all the bodies "float" free of the bottom. As the tide lowers and the water flows, say the ditch is uneven and DEEPER on the NE side, then the legs and feet would touch bottom and the top half may move with the water and end up pointing downstream a little, and end up pointing due East. If it's about a 12 hour cycle, this can prove what you have already speculated Cyinical_1, that Ms. Raffo was put in the ditch early A.M. and the Golden Key was used to block visual from the BHP. From our weather page, we also have sunrise indicated on that day at 6:46AM

    I still have not been able to locate tidal records earlier than 2014. I hope someone can either find it or calculate it for us.
    I'm no expert on this but I do seem to remember that a body will sink in water immediately after death. I don't know if it's drowning that would cause it to sink or just death. I believe that the gases that are released when decomposition starts causes it to rise.

    The question then becomes: Would a body, recently dead, float with the incoming tide?

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    Let me expand on my previous post about the position of the bodies. I'll preface it with a statement from Mark Meuller, author of the article on NJ.com. This is from the comments section in a blue box.

    Years ago, within weeks of the murders, authorities said they did not think there was any significance to the women's heads pointing toward Atlantic City. They said it was more a matter of the tides in the drainage canal.
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...iller_rem.html

    I won't argue that point, at least in regards to the first three bodies placed in the ditch. I do, however, question whether or not the position of body #4 was affected by the tides. If body #4 was not then, quite possibly, it was positioned that way by the killer.

    As always, just my opinion.
    Last edited by cynical_1; 01-10-2017 at 05:14 PM.

  6. #501
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    just some general notes on the tides.

    with a new moon on november 20, you would have roughly 2 highs and 2 lows on that day. its important to note too that tides are predictions, and can and do vary, mainly due to the wind and location.

    for example a westerly wind like you had on november 20 will influence those highs and lows. as the water is flowing in to the bays and creeks, it will be pushing against the wind, so it won't come in at a precise rate. In my experience a west wind will keep that high tide out longer and water will come rushing in faster nearer to the predicted time of high tide. It will also push the tide out a bit further and sooner, once the high tide turns and starts to head back out again.

    Location will influence tidal flow based on the geography that the tide is flowing around, over and through. If you have a narrow channel like and inlet or creek, the water can only flow through over time in a specific volume. Thus it is possible back bays and creeks, to still have water flowing in to some of the narrower way in the back areas, even after high tide has come and should be heading back down to low tide. Sort of like how when you pour water through a funnel, there will be a back log of water that cannot pass through neck as fast as the water enters the funnel.

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    one thing is, unless we know otherwise, we are assuming the victims were placed in the water, and not just in the weeds around the water, to later be moved by a higher tide than at the time of they were originally placed.

    i think it makes sense for a lot of reasons that they were placed in water, but i don't know that i have seen that or can assume that from what i have read. certainly seems safe to assume it was within the tidal zone.

    so i guess we could surmise victim number 4 would have to have been discovered within a six hour window or less from the time of her placement to not have been subjected to the same most recent tidal conditions the other 3 victims were subject too.

    hope this makes sense.
    Last edited by da fino; 01-10-2017 at 05:20 PM. Reason: omitted second word

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    Quote Originally Posted by da fino View Post
    one thing is, unless we know otherwise, we are assuming the victims were placed in the water, and not just in the weeds around the water, to later be moved by a higher tide than at the time of they were originally placed.

    i think it makes sense for a lot of reasons that they were placed in water, but i don't know that i have seen that or can assume that from what i have read. certainly seems safe to assume it was within the tidal zone.

    so i guess we could surmise victim number 4 would have to have been discovered within a six hour window or less from the time of her placement to not have been subjected to the same most recent tidal conditions the other 3 victims were subject too.

    hope this makes sense.
    Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I have Ms. Raffo's body being placed in the weeds or in the water no later than 8:00 am on the morning of the 19th. I chose that time frame on the basis of the medical examiners determination that she was in the water for “a couple of days”.

    I also theorized that the Golden Key provided cover from the BHP as it may have occurred in the early morning hours when the sun was rising. Muttley supplied a more detailed analysis that seems to support the theory that the tide may have not moved her far from her original position. Does this all sound logical?

    If that 8:00 am (or earlier) time frame is correct then she may have been in the water, allowing for the tide, for 25-30 hrs. Translation: This guy is efficient. She was alive at 5:00 am and possibly dead at 8:00 am. Maybe fast enough for this guy not to be late for work. - Just my opinion.
    Last edited by cynical_1; 01-10-2017 at 06:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post
    Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I have Ms. Raffo's body being placed in the weeds or in the water no later than 8:00 am on the morning of the 19th. I chose that time frame on the basis of the medical examiners determination that she was in the water for “a couple of days”.

    I also theorized that the Golden Key provided cover from the BHP as it may have occurred in the early morning hours when the sun was rising. Muttley supplied a more detailed analysis that seems to support the theory that the tide may have not moved her far from her original position. Does this all sound logical?

    If that 8:00 am (or earlier) time frame is correct then she may have been in the water, allowing for the tide, for 25-30 hrs. Translation: This guy is efficient. She was alive at 5:00 am and possibly dead at 8:00 am. Maybe fast enough for this guy not to be late for work. - Just my opinion.
    it does all sound logical, though i'm forgetting the timeline and i'm feeling like even 8 AM might be "too late" in the morning for someone to feel comfortable back there with a body in the morning light. i guess that makes my likely window of opportunity even smaller if she left the doctor at 5 AM.

    i am right there with you and muttley both on the rest of it though. i guess given this timeline, i am wondering how well "cleared" the doctor is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post
    Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. I have Ms. Raffo's body being placed in the weeds or in the water no later than 8:00 am on the morning of the 19th. I chose that time frame on the basis of the medical examiners determination that she was in the water for “a couple of days”.

    I also theorized that the Golden Key provided cover from the BHP as it may have occurred in the early morning hours when the sun was rising. Muttley supplied a more detailed analysis that seems to support the theory that the tide may have not moved her far from her original position. Does this all sound logical?

    If that 8:00 am (or earlier) time frame is correct then she may have been in the water, allowing for the tide, for 25-30 hrs. Translation: This guy is efficient. She was alive at 5:00 am and possibly dead at 8:00 am. Maybe fast enough for this guy not to be late for work. - Just my opinion.
    Of course, work, it's Monday! Cynical_1 you have also theorized that the killer used the Golden Key Motel to block visual from the BHP.

    I would like to theorize that he used the NE access road and used the vehicle to block visual access from the AC Expressway. I think it's close enough to be a concern to him, especially at twilight. I believe someone like him, in planning this spot to use, would park there many times, maybe even with lights on, to see if it attracted any attention. With lights off, he can use the billboards lights to drive and still see with no lights on. But it was lighter when he needed to get rid of Kim Raffo's body, so he used better screens, but closer to the hotel. To illustrate this point I have attached an above the area view showing where the vehicle could access the other service road.

    I also snapped a visual from the ground on the AC Expressway looking at where the hotel had been. The building we can see is across the 5 lane BHP. It doesn't look that far to me. If the Golden Key building was there, I believe someone could be seen against it's light coloring. The billboard is there and note the telephone pole size, about the width of a person. If I am figuring correctly that pole is almost where Kim Raffo was found. GoldenKey From AC Expressway.jpgGoogleMapAccessRoadsBehindGoldenKeyc.jpg

    So I hope LE has video footage (still) they gathered at the time from the two other hotels in the direction of the entrance to the access/service road from BHP. Even a camera from across the street covering a lobby or something in the area might have a vehicle going down this road in the time range. If we match that vehicle with several visits over the month, we maybe have our vehicle.


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    i'd also speculate that the vehicle would likely have been a 4x4 on either road, as that is no place to get stuck with a honda civic and 4 dead bodies.

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    I just started watching..Terry is lying..I can tell while watching the show you asked him if he had ever been there in the back of the motel and he said no never, but you guys put it as No. Never he used a double negative..i know that it is not much to go on but I KNOW when people are lying and he is lying..you guys should have a professional liar detector watch those interviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post


    I'd like to correct an error that I made in an earlier post concerning this individual. I stated that he appeared in court on Oct 15th, 2016. That date may actually be the date of the article that published a video of his indictment. So I stand corrected.

    With that being said there is a possibility that this individual could be considered a POI in the 2006 murders as well as the murder of Joyce Vanderhoff.

    Concerning the Tara Rogers-Alicia case:

    The State Medical Examiner’s Office, in consultation with a State Medical Anthropologist, determined the cause of death to be asphyxiation by strangulation, and ruled her death a homicide.

    A joint investigation by the Atlantic County Prosecutor’s Office Major Crimes Unit, the Egg Harbor Township Police Department, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), with the assistance of the Pleasantville Police Department, culminated in the arrest of Stallworth on August 5, 2014. Detectives arrested Stallworth without incident in Mays Landing at approximately 9:40 a.m.


    http://www.gallowaytownshipnews.com/...or-murder.html

    I do remember the winter of 2014 when the bodies of Tara Rogers-Alicia & Joyce Vanderhoff were discovered. One couldn't help but speculate that the person responsible for the 2006 murders was active again. Judging by the amount of resources devoted to solving the Rogers-Alicia case I'm not the only one who felt that may have been a possibility.

    There has been very little information released concerning the particulars of this case and I do not know when it is scheduled to come to trial.

    Here's a link to the Websleuths thread concerning Tara Rogers-Alicia.
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...r-31-July-2013
    Do you have any info about his trail date? (I'm a local)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel1 View Post
    Do you have any info about his trial date? (I'm a local)
    Hi, I haven't heard anything in news reports concerning the trial date of Stallworth. If I do come across anything I'll be sure to post it.

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    Thanks. I'd like to go if at all possible

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