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  1. #586
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    Exactly. It makes no sense that in a city where everything is caught on camera, these girls all got into a car with a SK and ended up murdered but yet nobody saw a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel1 View Post
    Exactly. It makes no sense that in a city where everything is caught on camera, these girls all got into a car with a SK and ended up murdered but yet nobody saw a thing.
    Papa Joe Boccino had a daily routine of heading over to Sister Jean's soup kitchen at around 6:30 am. He helped prepare food there twice daily. In his absence someone had to be left at his small dinner to cook. Someone who probably came on duty around that time in the morning. Just thinking out loud.

    I'm exploring the angle that Ms. Raffo knew the person enough to have accepted a ride from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel1 View Post
    Exactly. It makes no sense that in a city where everything is caught on camera, these girls all got into a car with a SK and ended up murdered but yet nobody saw a thing.
    This may be further proof that the girls all knew the killer and if that's the case the footage wouldn't necessarily show the classic scene of a sex worker leaning into a car window to talk to a potential client, instead it might show the victims walking to a waiting vehicle with the killer, looking relaxed, conversing calmly and naturally. Their body language wouldn't show any red flags so any LE looking at the footage may have written it off as a victim meeting up with a friend for coffee or a drink prior to meeting with the person who killed her. If the victims all knew their killer, it's likely their friends may have as well, so lets say one of more of these meetings is caught on tape, the cops show the footage to friends of the victim and they say "Oh that can't be the guy, that's so-and-so who's a friend of hers. She must've met the killer after she left so-and-so." It seems unlikely because we expect that a good detective will follow up with this so-called friend regardless, but lets be honest, the police aren't perfect, they have their fair share of officers who a lazy and like to cut corners or who are straight up incompetant, so we can't take it for granted that things that should have been followed up actually were followed up. Sadly though, after all this time, the chances of any CCTV footage still being in existence is not great unless the cops preserved any of it, but if they did, it's technically evidence in an open case so they're hardly going to share that footage with the likes of us, are they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sakura.shinra View Post
    This may be further proof that the girls all knew the killer and if that's the case the footage wouldn't necessarily show the classic scene of a sex worker leaning into a car window to talk to a potential client, instead it might show the victims walking to a waiting vehicle with the killer, looking relaxed, conversing calmly and naturally. Their body language wouldn't show any red flags so any LE looking at the footage may have written it off as a victim meeting up with a friend for coffee or a drink prior to meeting with the person who killed her. If the victims all knew their killer, it's likely their friends may have as well, so lets say one of more of these meetings is caught on tape, the cops show the footage to friends of the victim and they say "Oh that can't be the guy, that's so-and-so who's a friend of hers. She must've met the killer after she left so-and-so." It seems unlikely because we expect that a good detective will follow up with this so-called friend regardless, but lets be honest, the police aren't perfect, they have their fair share of officers who a lazy and like to cut corners or who are straight up incompetant, so we can't take it for granted that things that should have been followed up actually were followed up. Sadly though, after all this time, the chances of any CCTV footage still being in existence is not great unless the cops preserved any of it, but if they did, it's technically evidence in an open case so they're hardly going to share that footage with the likes of us, are they.
    One of the investigators assigned to the case lamented that the AC Vice Squad wasn't brought into the investigation until three days after the bodies were discovered. The Task Force wasn't assembled until a full month afterwards. Mistakes were made.

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    Pic-A-Lilli Pub



    One of the connections to Kim Raffo is her friendship with a bartender named John Pesce. He, along with ex-husband Hugh Auslander and Charles Coles, attended her memorial service on the BHP on Nov. 25, 2006. "She was trying to get her life together, but she couldn't get away," said John Pesce, 46, a friend of Raffo's who was among a small group gathered Saturday outside the Golden Key Motel.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112500415.html

    Mr. Pesce was mentioned in another article as well when it was reported that Ms. Raffo left a message for him in September before leaving for Long Island with her ex-husband. “Kim said yes, and just before she left, she recorded a message for her friend, bartender John Pesce. "Hi John, it's Kim. I'm gettin' the hell out of dodge. I would really like to say goodbye. Thanks for everything, and I love you," she said in the recording.”
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/4/

    The only bar that I can find that Mr. Pense worked at in AC is Tony's Baltimore Grill on Atlantic Ave. more towards the center of town. Apparently he worked the morning shift there starting around 8:00 am. In no way am I inferring the he is the SK, rather I am trying to make a connection to Ms. Raffo's moves in the early morning hours of Nov. 19th.

    At the end of Tennessee Ave sits a cozy little dive bar named the Pic-A-Lilli Pub. I have no research to back it up but I'm guessing that it's possible that Mr. Pesce may have worked at that bar as well were he may have struck up a friendship with Ms. Raffo. The Pic-A-Lilli describes itself as “we’re thoroughbred fans of the Pittsburgh Steelers”.

    Perhaps it's possible that Ms. Raffo was headed to this pub on the morning of the 19th and was met by the SK either in the parking lot or inside the bar itself.

    Victim #1 Molly Dilts' toxicology report indicated no drugs, only alcohol. She also happened to hail from an area close by Pittsburgh. Somehow I could see Ms. Dilts, on a Sunday, knockin' a few back inside this joint while a Steelers game was playing on the flat screen tv's inside.

    As always, just my opinion.

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    A connection to Ventnor NJ.



    Every day new details surrounding these crimes emerge that are intriguing. This post is a bit more complicated than some of my others as it involves a time-line gathered from several reputable news sources. A fresh cup of coffee might help to make sense of the information in this post.

    From what I've gathered it appears that victim #4, Kim Raffo, may have been residing in nearby Ventnor NJ. when victim #2, Barbara Breidor, dissappeared from there (Ventnor) on October 17, 2006.

    After five weeks in Long Island Kim Raffo returns to Atlantic City on October 14th and stays with friend, John Pesce, for a few days. “Kim stayed for a while with John Pesce, but quickly found herself back on the track.”
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/4/

    For the first three days after her return Ms. Raffo is clean and sober. A quote from Sister Jean Webster who not only runs the soup kitchen but also works as an outreach worker: “She seemed to be making progress last month, Webster said, but after three days of sobriety, she was back on the crack pipe.”
    http://nypost.com/2006/11/24/atl-cit...-kicked-crack/

    So for Oct. 14 - 17th Ms. Raffo is living at John Pesce's place. This Associated Press report indicates that John Pesce was residing in Ventnor, NJ. “She was trying to get her life together, but she couldn't get away,” said John Pesce, 46, of Ventnor, a friend of Raffo.”
    http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.c...diesfound.html

    Summary:

    Kim Raffo returns from Long Island on Oct 14th and resides with John Pesce in Ventnor NJ. until approximately Oct 17th. During this time she is going to drug counseling at Victory First Presbyterian Church on Pacific Avenue in Atlantic City. That is the location of Sister Jean's Soup Kitchen as well.

    On October 17th Barbara Breidor leaves her place on Lafayette Ave. in Ventnor NJ. and is not heard from again until her body is discovered behind the Golden Key on Nov. 19th.

    Theory

    On Oct. 17th, Kim Raffo accepts a ride from AC back to where she's residing in Ventnor from one of the other participants in Sister Jean Webster's prayer group to help kick addiction. While in Ventnor the SK finds Barbara Breidor out and about and offers her a ride.

    Earlier posts placed Barbara Breidor along Pacific Ave. on several occasions. Now, however, I think it's possible that Ms. Breidor may have encountered the SK in neighboring Ventnor NJ. I just find it too much of a coincidence that victim #4 (Kim Raffo) was living for three days just three blocks from where victim #2 (Barbara Breidor) disappeared from on Oct 17th.

    As always, just my opinion.

    ps: I know at times that my posts lead in different directions but that's just where this research keeps pointing. However, Sister Jean's Soup Kitchen on Pacific Ave. does appear to be a common point of reference throughout most of these events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post


    Every day new details surrounding these crimes emerge that are intriguing. This post is a bit more complicated than some of my others as it involves a time-line gathered from several reputable news sources. A fresh cup of coffee might help to make sense of the information in this post.

    From what I've gathered it appears that victim #4, Kim Raffo, may have been residing in nearby Ventnor NJ. when victim #2, Barbara Breidor, dissappeared from there (Ventnor) on October 17, 2006.

    After five weeks in Long Island Kim Raffo returns to Atlantic City on October 14th and stays with friend, John Pesce, for a few days. “Kim stayed for a while with John Pesce, but quickly found herself back on the track.”
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/4/

    For the first three days after her return Ms. Raffo is clean and sober. A quote from Sister Jean Webster who not only runs the soup kitchen but also works as an outreach worker: “She seemed to be making progress last month, Webster said, but after three days of sobriety, she was back on the crack pipe.”
    http://nypost.com/2006/11/24/atl-cit...-kicked-crack/

    So for Oct. 14 - 17th Ms. Raffo is living at John Pesce's place. This Associated Press report indicates that John Pesce was residing in Ventnor, NJ. “She was trying to get her life together, but she couldn't get away,” said John Pesce, 46, of Ventnor, a friend of Raffo.”
    http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.c...diesfound.html

    Summary:

    Kim Raffo returns from Long Island on Oct 14th and resides with John Pesce in Ventnor NJ. until approximately Oct 17th. During this time she is going to drug counseling at Victory First Presbyterian Church on Pacific Avenue in Atlantic City. That is the location of Sister Jean's Soup Kitchen as well.

    On October 17th Barbara Breidor leaves her place on Lafayette Ave. in Ventnor NJ. and is not heard from again until her body is discovered behind the Golden Key on Nov. 19th.

    Theory

    On Oct. 17th, Kim Raffo accepts a ride from AC back to where she's residing in Ventnor from one of the other participants in Sister Jean Webster's prayer group to help kick addiction. While in Ventnor the SK finds Barbara Breidor out and about and offers her a ride.

    Earlier posts placed Barbara Breidor along Pacific Ave. on several occasions. Now, however, I think it's possible that Ms. Breidor may have encountered the SK in neighboring Ventnor NJ. I just find it too much of a coincidence that victim #4 (Kim Raffo) was living for three days just three blocks from where victim #2 (Barbara Breidor) disappeared from on Oct 17th.

    As always, just my opinion.

    ps: I know at times that my posts lead in different directions but that's just where this research keeps pointing. However, Sister Jean's Soup Kitchen on Pacific Ave. does appear to be a common point of reference throughout most of these events.
    It seems you are getting closer... thanks for all of your wonderful posts, I really enjoy your insight! Is Ventnor really only about 3.5 miles from AC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellyd View Post
    It seems you are getting closer... thanks for all of your wonderful posts, I really enjoy your insight! Is Ventnor really only about 3.5 miles from AC?

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    Hi, Ventnor is just south of AC and is located on the same Island (Absecon Island). Margate is also located on the island so they're all closely connected.

    I don't know if I'm getting closer but I thought I'd post all the info I have out there so maybe others can help make sense of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellyd View Post
    It seems you are getting closer... thanks for all of your wonderful posts, I really enjoy your insight! Is Ventnor really only about 3.5 miles from AC?

    Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk
    By the way, thank you for the compliment. Sometimes I think I post too much and am hogging this thread. But I do have a considerable amount of information accumulated concerning this case and it doesn't do any good if I don't put it out there publicly for myself and others to interpret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post
    By the way, thank you for the compliment. Sometimes I think I post too much and am hogging this thread. But I do have a considerable amount of information accumulated concerning this case and it doesn't do any good if I don't put it out there publicly for myself and others to interpret.
    You're welcome, I am learning so much more about the case because of your posts, please don't stop! They say "it takes a village" and I truly believe that.

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    There's always the chance the common denominator was drugs...either currently using or known to attend meetings (Narcotics Anonymous or Alcoholics Anonymous). Perhaps they met someone at a meeting...either in AC or Ventnor?

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    THe boardwalk goes for another 20 blocks past the last casino. IT then continues through Ventnor and Margate. The police did do regular sweeps to get people out of there. They have found bodies before, but mostly OD's and people who died from the cold. After the Hilton there are no cameras, same after the last casino, THE Showboat, on the other side of the island.

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    AC and Ventnor border each other

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