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    Cynical_1 that is an extremely interesting point and something that I hadn't really given much thought.

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    It takes a lot of effort and strength to strangle a person with your hands, and it takes some time. A ligature would make it easier and faster, depending what you used on the victim. If our killer has something that impeded his strength in his hands, like an injury, or weakness due to a neck or back problem, he would need a ligature of some kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel1 View Post
    Cynical_1 that is an extremely interesting point and something that I hadn't really given much thought.
    He may have crossed the line from fantasy to reality for the first time and was finding his way, so to speak. If that lady hadn't discovered the body when she had there may have been plenty more bodies in that ditch.

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    I have a feeling that there very well could have more if the dump site wasn't discovered.

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    And remember these guys don't stop. Only if something stops them, like jail, they move, they get killed, or they get interested in their own life, like BTK, he got married had a family.
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    Concerning the whole missing shoes thing. I wonder if any of these ladies might've kept money in the tips of their shoes?

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    I'm not sure if that's where they kept their money or not but I have heard of people keeping money in their shoes to avoid being robbed. So it could be possible.

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    New to posting but I have been following these crimes and researching also. What strikes me as unusual is the fact that he takes his time with disposing of these women the victims. Also, it made me think about the areas they are all found may not be easy to get to by vehicle but by foot and possibly without being seen it could be possible. I do not live in any of these areas and have seen them only by images from searches online or through the videos regarding the deaths and crimes (News, Missing Programs, etc). I bring up this point because to me it seems that this person may possibly be "quite proud" of what he has accomplished and done by alluding LE and continuing of murdering more women. Also, the areas that they are put in that even IF they are discovered which he may be somewhat conflicted about wanting to share his "secret" and having pride in all these Murders but not wanting to get caught. Yet, something still draws him to put these victims where it is likely they will be found at some point and that he can still return to bring more "trophies" or return to the area or very close to it to view it and relive his crimes for each life he has taken. It is this type of Narcissistic Characteristics in his Personality that may help to have him make a mistake IF he has not made one already and just doesn't know what or with which victim for evidence left behind. It is not my place to judge these women if they were prostitutes or not. It is not for anyone else to judge how they ended up living their lives to survive. Who knows what horror stories of childhood they had or what drove them to have to do what they did. I've seen first hand the path of young females that are NOT only lured and groomed into that kind of life and it's not only just by the slick street pimps and those that recruit for them. It is often their OWN families (mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends) you name it. They show off all the materialistic things that they may have or get and for a young child/teen struggling and not knowing if they will have a meal that day or no support system of anyone to teach them the rights and wrongs.No person deserves to die at the hands of someone else taking their life before God deems it is their time. Just a random thought I can't remember the case for years ago that I have researched that the SK did a continual thing to throw the LE off. Is it possible that this SK could be doing the same thing with facing them to the East? Also, having no shoes just from working with Missing and Exploited cases often it seems that many pimps, handlers, traffickers also take away the shoes of the victims except when they go are working in order to slow them down in the event they do try to run and escape which depending on from where might be difficult if there is glass, rocks, rough terrain, etc and your barefoot. Any person can only run so far being barefooted until they can't go anymore due to cuts or wounds like blisters on their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie48b View Post
    As you watch the show "Killing Fields" it is amazing to know that that "Outlaw" biker gang was considered involved in this matter and just overlooked. Lets look at Mansfileds brother Billy as well. He was exonerated only on his DNA not being at the scenes of the killings. He in turn got immunity for testifying against his brother. Was it in order to save himself and his parts of this matter?
    I believe you mean The Killing Season, right? The killing fields is a totally different set of cases....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachel1 View Post
    I'm not sure if that's where they kept their money or not but I have heard of people keeping money in their shoes to avoid being robbed. So it could be possible.
    The reason I brought the topic up is because that's one of the first places Ridgway would look after killing his victims. I've also pondered the possibility that robbery was a secondary motive in this case.

    The primary motive, of course, was to kill. But perhaps he waited to strike until he knew that these ladies would have money on them. Ms. Raffo left a client to go buy drugs so undoubtedly she had cash on her. That would ratchet up the stalking angle a notch or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post
    The reason I brought the topic up is because that's one of the first places Ridgway would look after killing his victims. I've also pondered the possibility that robbery was a secondary motive in this case.

    The primary motive, of course, was to kill. But perhaps he waited to strike until he knew that these ladies would have money on them. Ms. Raffo left a client to go buy drugs so undoubtedly she had cash on her. That would ratchet up the stalking angle a notch or two.
    Do we know if the women left with a wallet, purse, and thing of a personal nature that he could have kept as a trophy or something to steal to get $$? I never read any cases here or elsewhere, where the victim has her purse or $ left with her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skully View Post
    Do we know if the women left with a wallet, purse, and thing of a personal nature that he could have kept as a trophy or something to steal to get $$? I never read any cases here or elsewhere, where the victim has her purse or $ left with her.
    I'm assuming here, but my guess is that these woman would've carried a handbag. Phone, makeup and items associated with the job.

    In the case of the last two victims, it appears that this guy may have intercepted them before they've had a chance to return to their pimp with money. Which is why I brought up the robbery angle. - Just my opinion.

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    Welcome to the board, you've brought up a few interesting points. One in particular caught my attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by VoiceForMissing2502 View Post
    Just a random thought I can't remember the case for years ago that I have researched that the SK did a continual thing to throw the LE off. Is it possible that this SK could be doing the same thing with facing them to the East?.
    I recently speculated that perhaps the “heads facing east” was an attempt by this guy to point investigators in the direction of AC and away from where he actually lives. If that is the case then this guy may have been residing on the mainland at the time of these crimes.

    The “heads facing east” aspect may be the most talked about point of this entire case. Well, that and the missing shoes. By pointing them towards the east it immediately draws attention to Atlantic City. Which gives this case the high degree of notoriety that it has received.

    If he had disposed of the bodies more inland then he may not have garnered the media attention that this case received. Of course, if he had done that then there'd be much more suspicion that he was a local.

    As always, just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynical_1 View Post
    I recently speculated that perhaps the “heads facing east” was an attempt by this guy to point investigators in the direction of AC and away from where he actually lives. If that is the case then this guy may have been residing on the mainland at the time of these crimes.
    The heads facing east is certainly the one aspect of this case that has made it really stand out. You speculate that the killer may have been attempting to draw focus towards AC and away from his comfort zone, and it occurred to me that the opposite could also be true, that he positioned the heads towards where he lives, so that they are forced to stare in the direction of the person who ended their lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skully View Post
    Do we know if the women left with a wallet, purse, and thing of a personal nature that he could have kept as a trophy or something to steal to get $$? I never read any cases here or elsewhere, where the victim has her purse or $ left with her.
    In Killing Season, there were quite a few girls who left wallets, cell phones, etc behind which is what led to speculation that the perp was someone they knew and trusted enough that they'd go off with them without these items. The same could be true of the AC4 perhaps?

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    Someone asked what the weather was on and before Nov 19th 2006 and what the tides were in order to guesstimate how much water may have been in the drainage ditch. I did look it up and I am sorry for not posting it sooner, just been busy. Here is a link to Nov 19th, scroll down and look at "precipitation" of course. Note there was 0 that day, BUT, for the month-to-date there was 4.9 inches and it indicates the average is ONLY 2.03! The moon phases are also indicated on the right side, note that Nov 20th is a new moon, but from what I am reading that doesn't indicate the tide since it's both sun and moon. So any expert opinion on that would be appreciated:



    https://www.wunderground.com/history...eqdb.wmo=99999

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