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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by julianne
    This case reminds me of the James & Jennifer Stolpa story. Anyone remember that? Happened over 10 years ago, I think. They were a young couple traveling by car with their 5 month old baby. There was a severe snow storm & they got lost and ended up taking some side road that even furthered their dilemma.
    There is an episode on "I Shouldn't Be Alive" on this very couple. I just saw it a few weeks ago.

    FYI, it does look like 38 skirts the north boundary of the Elliot State Forest. The NF always has logging roads that it would be very easy to get lost on and not get found for a long time; not sure about state forests.

    I know one FS road which is pavement for the first few miles (just like a real road), then starts turning to gravel, then becomes hard to navigate at all (steep, rough, etc.) These roads can be busy in the summer (if they lead to a popular hiking trail, for instance), but relatively deserted in the winter.


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    My guess would be that they ran off a road somewhere. Our weather has been really bad. It just started to thaw yesterday where I live. The school's have been closed and no one worked for the first few days of this week. We got hit without expecting it and so probably weren't prepared either. If they did go off a road I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope. It has been so cold I don't know how anyone could survive without heat outside. I hope this isn't the case but no one has heard from the adults so it doesn't look to good.


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    A Saab is considered a higher-end vehicle, and from their website, it appears that the 2005 models all come equipped with Onstar. Hopefully LE is looking into this? I know that you have to maintain a "subscription" for Onstar, but maybe they did???


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    funny you should mention that, every time i hear a story of someone getting lost driving in the snow, i think of them. that story was amazing... they just barely made it. (too bad they ended up divorcing!)
    anyway that story shows that it IS possible to survive such conditions.. but i think they are the exception. i just hope the Kim family- if they are still alive- is somehow able to harness the same kind of luck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by julianne
    A Saab is considered a higher-end vehicle, and from their website, it appears that the 2005 models all come equipped with Onstar. Hopefully LE is looking into this? I know that you have to maintain a "subscription" for Onstar, but maybe they did???

    This is a very good point, Julianne!! Does the Onstar work on the Onstar end, though, if the car is crashed and not working?


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    I do know that if the airbags have been deployed, then it WILL send a signal to Onstar saying so. But, I'm not sure if it's that way if the car is totaled

    Just checked online, and they are still missing. Here's a quip from a news report:

    Hastings said authorities are focused on the Gold Beach area where the family was scheduled to stay the night. Search efforts, however, have been hampered by heavy snowfall earlier in the week that blocked some of the roads.

    So, there ARE some roads that were blocked off. Again, shades of the Stolpa story....

    Praying this family is okay. I am on pins and needles.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayersForMaura
    I wonder if their went off the road somewhere? Wasn't their bad weather in the northwest?


    Prayers for this family.
    The road over to Gold Beach runs along the Rogue River, apparently in somewhat steep terrain and it was said to be somewhat treacherous. The local news has been airing the story frequently.

    The news mentioned that it was an 8 hour drive from Portland to Gold Beach-
    http://maps.yahoo.com/broadband/#q2=....961191&mag=11

    Odds are good that they went off the road along the way--they had apparently phoned the place they were going to stay (it was said at 5:45PM--it's dark at that time) and said they were running late for their check-in.


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    There is so much of Oregon to get lost in.

    my wishes for them turning up safe and sound are out there.


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    It's been a week.

    If it were just the two adults and they survived an accident, they might be found ok.

    The babies worry me. A 4-yr-old and a 7-month-old. No food in the car, probably. I worry more about the 4-yr-old than the baby, b/c I bet this baby was still being breastfed or had formula in a bag. But then still...it's been a week.


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    They had stopped and had a breakfast/lunch, or maybe a brunch, with a friend in Portland?--they showed the place where they met to eat--it didn't look like much from the outside.

    Depending on what time they left that restaurant, and based on the 5:45PM phone call, LE should have a good idea of the area they need to search. The name of the place they were supposed to stay was mentioned, but I don't recall the name. I would like to know exactly where it is located.


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    http://news.com.com/Road+search+unde...tag=cnetfd.ld1

    Aerial search under way for missing CNET editor

    from the article:

    While some Saab models come equipped with the OnStar vehicle security and communications system, the model the Kims were driving did not offer OnStar as an option, said Mike Weinstein, a detective with the Portland Police Bureau's Missing Persons Unit, who said he also confirmed that information with OnStar using the Kims' vehicle identification number. The car did not have a LoJack car security system either, Weinstein said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    They had stopped and had a breakfast/lunch, or maybe a brunch, with a friend in Portland?--they showed the place where they met to eat--it didn't look like much from the outside.

    Depending on what time they left that restaurant, and based on the 5:45PM phone call, LE should have a good idea of the area they need to search. The name of the place they were supposed to stay was mentioned, but I don't recall the name. I would like to know exactly where it is located.
    http://news.com.com/Road+search+unde...tag=cnetfd.ld1

    Now there is a new confirmed last sighting.

    Those fruitless efforts, combined with news of the Denny's sighting in Roseberg at about 8 p.m. on November 25 gives Lt. Dennis Dinsmore, of the Curry County Sheriffs' Department, "no indication in any way that they every reached" his county.

    "We're going to start backing away from the investigation," he said, adding that the hunt will shift to roads off state Highway 42 instead of Highway 38. Both are common routes taken to get from Interstate 5 to the Oregon coast.

    Officials from Douglas County, where Roseburg is located, could not be immediately reached for comment, but are expected to release a statement later today. Dinsmore said the family's stop at Denny's had been corroborated by employees and a credit card receipt.


    Here's an amendment with Roseberg added to Buzz's map
    http://maps.yahoo.com/broadband/#q3=....544567&mag=10


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker Steve
    According to this link, he planned to take Highway 38 (presumably from I-5) to Highway 101, the coastal road that would take them to Gold Beach.

    101 does cross many rivers as it winds down the coast. It's also hard to get lost - it's the main road on the Pacific coast.

    The report indicates that Kim called the inn around sunset, and the innskeeper expected to see them sometime before midnight. It's about three hours from where 38 hits the coast to Gold Beach, and the sun sets pretty early during the winter, so I'm guessing he was on 38 when he called. The police seem to think that, too.

    Unfortunately, if they did go off-road in the mountains, it may not be good - there was significant snowfall in the Northwest a day or two later, and also very cold. I'm not sure how it was in this part of Oregon, but I know Portland was hit relatively hard.
    I don't think that he took Highway 38 west to Highway 101 from I-5.
    There is a confirmed sighting of the family at a Denny's rest. in Rosebrug, OR. at about 8:00pm on Saturday night. From Roseburg to Gold Beach, the route to take west to reach Highway 101 would be Highway 42.
    It is 140 miles from Roseburg to Gold Beach.

    Isn't this the same route that the family in the motor home disappeared on earlier this year? They were found safe and had gotten stuck in the snow on a fire road or something?

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    Here's the map just from Roseburg to Gold Beach:
    http://maps.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTEx....811522&mag=10


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    Anyone know what this section of highway is like? Is it isolated, populated, wilderness?
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