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    Quote Originally Posted by scandi
    Hey Buzz,

    Don''t laugh as this may seem like a dumb question to you.
    I think I heard tonight something like there are 6 or 8 difinitive matches to 1 person on these Serial Shooter crimes. How else would LE determine they thought all these crimes were done by the same person if there wasn't matching amo frrom each one. They don't even know what he/she looks like.

    Scandi
    I haven't read about the crimes yet Scandi, and what LE is saying, and what their reasoning is. Give me a couple of days to digest some of the info available, and I'll get back to you.


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    Scandi,

    That's an interesting thought, that they might know each other or cross paths.

    You wouldn't believe how many women I've seen walking on the sidewalk at night alone or just with one other woman in Phoenix lately. The killers seem to be the topic of conversation everywhere I go, but when I drive through that part of Phoenix at night, I see many women walking alone. It just so happens that there are many people who live in that part of Phoenix who don't have vehicles, so they do a lot of walking or ride the bus. I'm just surprised that they aren't changing their habits until these killers are caught. I saw two women walking slowly past that car wash where the last victim was killed and they didn't even seem to be paying attention to their surroundings.

    Did you read about the other suspect in one of the murders recanting his confession? I wish we knew more about his confession. They have tied that murder to the serial killer so if this guy knew too much, he probably knows who the serial killer is. The police say they have ruled out this guy as the serial killer.


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    I have been reading your posts - all of you have great thoughts. It really makes me scratch my head and wonder "what if".

    I, personally, thought the Baseline Killer looked hispanic in the sketch. If witnesses/victims describe him as a black male, then maybe a black/hispanic mix (I know a few puerto ricans who could pass for being black).
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    Hoping, that is a great point. I've been wondering if LE is certain of his race. If LE says to look for a black man and the killer is really hispanic, it will be very difficult to find him.


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    Agreed, and don't forget Candice saying the fact he killed people of several races is very unua=sal for a serial killer, and he probably has a mother, wife or ex-wife who is white.

    That makes him a Malotto if he is also black or a Chicano if he is also Mexican. And there is also the possibility he is part white, Mexican and Indian, also called a Chicano. In Texas down by Padre Island, that whole area has a lot of Indian-Mexican combinations {Navaho}, so it is quite common. It might be the same in Arizona with the Aztecs.

    Any news? LOL Scandi


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    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ngels0718.html

    The Guardian Angels are patroling the streets in Phoenix now. I've heard several people say they have seen the angels with their red berets driving in cars. I thought they only rode bikes.

    I also heard that he actually talks to his victims at first and is friendly, so if a person recognized the killer somehow, they would have plenty of time to call 911 before the attack.


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    (AP) A series of sniper-style murders, rapes and robberies has paralyzed the southwestern desert city of Phoenix, Arizona in fear as police remain unable to find clues to the crime wave.

    Police are searching for two distinct shooters believed responsible for 11 murders and as many as 37 robberies and sexual assaults since last summer.

    But investigators are stymied and hoping that cash rewards of 100,000 dollars may flush out the killers.

    "Phoenix is and will remain a safe city," said Mayor Phil Gordon in a recent press conference. "We're all working 24-7 to get these animals off the street, and we will," he promised.

    The killers have struck after dark, mostly in West Phoenix. Victims have been shot at bus stops, riding bicycles, and washing their cars.

    Police investigators believe that the violence began last summer when several horses and dogs were found shot. One month later, the shooter or shooters moved on to human targets.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060718/ts_alt_afp/uscrimesniper&printer=1




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    Quote Originally Posted by Azlaw
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ngels0718.html

    The Guardian Angels are patroling the streets in Phoenix now. I've heard several people say they have seen the angels with their red berets driving in cars. I thought they only rode bikes.

    I also heard that he actually talks to his victims at first and is friendly, so if a person recognized the killer somehow, they would have plenty of time to call 911 before the attack.
    Hmm...That's an interesting tidbit. I wonder if the victims heard any type of accent -then wouldn't that help the public ID the assailant - especially since he seems to wear disguises? Of course, in Phoenix, there are people from everywhere, so if he sounded Jamacan, for instance, everyone would think that the killer was Jamacan, when he could have been faking it. I guess it's good that LE won't release that info to the public. People could assume that the killer was a certain type of person, and then they would become easy targets. They'd never think that an Indian was the killer, if the police told the public he was Jamacan.
    Things have calmed down. He seemed to have a pattern of committing a crime every few days. It's been almost a week since the press conference and nothing. I hope he hasn't skipped town, onto easier prey. As much as I don't want any more victims ANYWHERE, long less Phoenix, the LE in Phoenix would be more equipped to handle this type of situation, instead of somewhere like Prescott.
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    Homeless man shot outside West Valley Circle K
    Police say shooting likely not connected to serial killers

    Christopher Kline
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    Jul. 19, 2006 07:02 AM

    A man was shot in the chest on Wednesday morning while sitting outside a West Valley convenience store, police said.

    The shooting happened around 1:30 a.m. at a Circle K near 43rd Avenue and Thomas Road. Police said it likely was not connected to any of the Valley’s serial shooter cases.

    Officials are reviewing surveillance tape, but have no information about any suspect.

    Crews took the victim, believed to be homeless, to St. Josephs Hospital and Medical Center.

    Police said he is expected to survive.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ting19-ON.html
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    Search on MySpace

    I was wondering if anyone had a chance to do a search on myspace in the Phoenix area for a person who would fit this description. I would normally do it, but they have banned myspace here at work.

    You can do a speific search for Sex, Age, Race and so on.


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    Sent via the AP Newswire late last night:

    AP-Phoenix Serial Killers

    Phoenix police release more information on serial killers

    PHOENIX (AP) - Arizona authorities believe two serial killers
    are to blame for randomly attacking at least 41 people since May,
    2005 and are to blame for at least eleven deaths.
    Police call one suspect the "Baseline Killer" because he
    shoots his victims in the head, sometimes using medium- or
    large-caliber weapons. That's according to examinations of victims
    in five of six shootings attributed to him.
    Another suspected serial killer is known as the "Serial
    Shooter." Autopsy reports show he uses small-caliber weapons or a
    small-gauge shotgun in three of five shootings. The victims linked
    to him were wounded in the torso, chest or neck.
    Details of the crimes were released by the Maricopa County
    Medical Examiner's Office. The killings have prompted a massive
    investigation and put community watch groups on high alert.


    (Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)




    Deuteronomy 18:10-12 (KJV)

    10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord. (KJV)

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    Records raise question: Baseline Killer or Killers?
    'Suspects' cited in autopsy reports

    Judi Villa and Lindsey Collom
    The Arizona Republic
    Jul. 20, 2006 12:00 AM

    A business owner reportedly saw "suspects" with a "drawn handgun" standing over one of the victims slain by the "Baseline Killer," raising questions about whether more than one gunman was involved, according to autopsy reports.

    The autopsy reports also reveal that some of the victims slain by the Baseline Killer were shot in the head at close range, and at least one apparently tried to block the bullets with her hand.

    Autopsy reports on five of six of the victims reveal a similar pattern of gunshot wounds, with at least one mentioning "large caliber" bullets. Bullet fragments were recovered from four of the five victims whose autopsies were available. advertisement

    Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill declined to comment on weapons information Wednesday night, saying the information would only help the suspects.

    "When you give out information to the public, you have to decide: Are we educating the public or are we educating the suspect?" Hill said earlier in the day.

    The Baseline Killer is linked to six slayings since last September. He also is believed to be responsible for a series of sexual assaults and robberies that began last August.

    Autopsy reports indicate four of the five victims were clothed when their bodies were found. The autopsy report on the sixth victim was not available.

    The reports say a witness saw more than one suspect standing over the body of Tina Washington, a 39-year-old preschool teacher and mother of two who was snatched from a bus stop at 40th Street and Southern Avenue and killed on Dec. 12.

    Only Kristin Nicole Gibbons, 26, whose body was found March 29, was undressed.

    Autopsy reports also shed new light on the city's other serial predator, the "Serial Shooter," who is believed to be responsible for 34 shootings since May 2005. Five people have been killed.

    The Serial Shooter reportedly used small-caliber weapons in three of the five fatal shootings, according to the reports.

    Four victims were shot in the torso or chest; one was shot in the neck. The autopsy of the shooter's most recent victim, Claudia Gutierrez-Cruz, 20, indicated she was slain by shotgun. Gutierrez-Cruz was walking on a sidewalk in Scottsdale when she was killed May 2.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...erial0720.html
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    Yikes! Now there might be 2 Baseline killers??
    I'm still not sure how they think the Shooter shot all these people when different guns were used? Because they drive down the street and shoot at people walking by themselves?
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    Thanks for the links. It sounds like each killer must have more than one gun and changes them with attacks to throw off police~! I wonder if they somehow work together, except that would be too bizarre for words.

    Scandi


    PS: I can't post the link because somehow my puter has no address bar when I Google up a link, but I read an interesting article about the man brought up from Kentucky in Jan who had admitted he shot a lady in Tempe. He went there with a friend he knew from Kentucky and some other dude he described as very scary. So scary he didn't want to rat on him.

    Last week this guy recinded his story when the police told him he couldn't have done it because she wasn't killed on the street where he said, but rather in her apt a ways away from there. But the police stated in the article they thought this scary guy could be the Baselkine killer as they have definite proof she was indeed killed by the Baseline killer! By the way, this guy said he had come up to Pheonix with his friend to make a drug deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoping4truth
    Records raise question: Baseline Killer or Killers?
    'Suspects' cited in autopsy reports

    Judi Villa and Lindsey Collom
    The Arizona Republic
    Jul. 20, 2006 12:00 AM

    A business owner reportedly saw "suspects" with a "drawn handgun" standing over one of the victims slain by the "Baseline Killer," raising questions about whether more than one gunman was involved, according to autopsy reports.

    The autopsy reports also reveal that some of the victims slain by the Baseline Killer were shot in the head at close range, and at least one apparently tried to block the bullets with her hand.

    Autopsy reports on five of six of the victims reveal a similar pattern of gunshot wounds, with at least one mentioning "large caliber" bullets. Bullet fragments were recovered from four of the five victims whose autopsies were available. advertisement

    Phoenix police Sgt. Andy Hill declined to comment on weapons information Wednesday night, saying the information would only help the suspects.

    "When you give out information to the public, you have to decide: Are we educating the public or are we educating the suspect?" Hill said earlier in the day.

    The Baseline Killer is linked to six slayings since last September. He also is believed to be responsible for a series of sexual assaults and robberies that began last August.

    Autopsy reports indicate four of the five victims were clothed when their bodies were found. The autopsy report on the sixth victim was not available.

    The reports say a witness saw more than one suspect standing over the body of Tina Washington, a 39-year-old preschool teacher and mother of two who was snatched from a bus stop at 40th Street and Southern Avenue and killed on Dec. 12.

    Only Kristin Nicole Gibbons, 26, whose body was found March 29, was undressed.

    Autopsy reports also shed new light on the city's other serial predator, the "Serial Shooter," who is believed to be responsible for 34 shootings since May 2005. Five people have been killed.

    The Serial Shooter reportedly used small-caliber weapons in three of the five fatal shootings, according to the reports.

    Four victims were shot in the torso or chest; one was shot in the neck. The autopsy of the shooter's most recent victim, Claudia Gutierrez-Cruz, 20, indicated she was slain by shotgun. Gutierrez-Cruz was walking on a sidewalk in Scottsdale when she was killed May 2.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...erial0720.html
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    Yikes! Now there might be 2 Baseline killers??
    I'm still not sure how they think the Shooter shot all these people when different guns were used? Because they drive down the street and shoot at people walking by themselves?
    If there were more than one suspect at the scene, maybe one was Baseline and the other the Serial Shooter? Perhaps they are working together as a two man crime spree? Just a thought.



    Deuteronomy 18:10-12 (KJV)

    10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord. (KJV)

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    Police: Only 1 suspect in Baseline Killer case

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    Jul. 20, 2006 01:20 PM

    Police said Thursday that they're certain only one person is responsible for a shooting linked to the "Baseline Killer" despite an autopsy report that said "suspects" were seen standing over the victim.

    Police spokesman Sgt. Andy Hill said investigators were initially uncertain whether anyone else was involved in the shooting of Tina Marie Washington on Dec. 12.

    But now, Hill said, "there's certainty in our minds we have one suspect only involving the Tina Washington homicide. There was not a second suspect present."

    The Maricopa County Medical Examiners report said "the woman was apparently assaulted by one or more gunman and fatally wounded in a driveway behind a business establishment. A nearby business owner reportedly saw suspects standing over the victim with a drawn handgun."

    Washington, 39, was slain behind a liquor store. Police have linked the Baseline Killer to her shooting as well as five others in the Phoenix area.

    Investigators continue to search for clues, but so far they have no suspects and no new information about what he may look like.

    A second killer also is terrorizing Phoenix residents. Police say an assailant dubbed the "Serial Shooter" is responsible for killing five people and wounding 16 others during a spree that's lasted more than a year.

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ller20-ON.html
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    I wish that the journalists would talk these things over with law enforcement prior to releasing stories. The Media is too into sensationalizing these things instead of keeping their readers safe! Not to mention the heyday this perp is having cutting all of these stories out of the newspaper. He's probably delighted on how overblown this whole thing has gotten!
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