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    The work to connect all this is amazing. I'm not ready to jump to the zodiac connection yet but this looks exactly like something he could do(the tylenol murders). especially lined up this way, the travel distances, the references to nature themes after getting up set for the factory dumping of cyanide.
    These links are dated to 2009. Why is this being talked about right now? because it's unreal to think they don't have vials of his dna?
    You would think one murder theme going on at a time is enough. But it fits w/ how crazy smart he was in all the planning and follow thru. imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by reb View Post
    well... let's see.. some lone nut (most likely a man):

    1- warehouse worker
    2- someone who was transporting it
    3- customer.

    someone who was either an extreme sociopathic misanthrope and mad at the world, or completely mentally ill. and i guess you'd have to figure out who would be able to get a hold of cyanide....?

    not saying anything new here though. did they ever investigate everyone who was working in the warehouses where the tylenol came from, someone who recently quit, any reports of odd or 'disgruntled' folks?
    For a long time, I believed that the killer was a woman, partly because carrying around the poisoned Tylenol in a purse then slipping it onto the store shelf when no one was looking seems like the most logical way for getting it onto the shelf.

    If I remember correctly, didn't after the first person Ted Kaczynski killed through bombing, he made some comment in his journal about that he had finally found a humane way to kill people? I don't mean to be strange, but poisoning seems a lot more humane way to die than through bombing. Maybe I am not remembering correctly.

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    Toby there were some MSM articles about this in yesterdays news.

    AKWILKS - I agree with your above post regarding the hairline between TK and the man in the survellience photo. Though, with closer look it appears TK could have had a receding hairline and combed his hair in a manner to cover it. If you look at the photo's TK has more of a 'messy' look. If he didn't want to attract attention to himself while in any of these stores he would have had to 'clean up' to not attract attention. It's possible imo, the survellience photo is a cleaned up version of TK.

    Kind of thinking outloud. I'm not that familiar with this case. Could you give me a date order to match the stores? Would the Winfield and Schaumburg locations happen to be the earliest two? I ask because being local to this area back in the early 80's Winfield and Schaumburg where not as developed as they are currently. In fact, Winfield currently does not have it's own police force and whichever agency handles Winfield is funded by Lake County. (which I never knew until very recently, made MSM not long ago). There is or was a Jewel distribution center in Elk Grove Village on Lunt Ave just west of Elmhurst Rd. (that came to mind due to the EGV location). No real thoughts on the Arlington Hts or Chicago choices but I can't help but wonder if TK had access to that Distribution Ctr/Warehouse on Lunt in EGV. Not sure if that means anything based on your research but thought I would toss it out there.
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    Found the address of the Osco/Jewel Warehouse in EGV. 2401 Lunt Ave. There is an interesting copy of an ad for a warehouse position around the time the murders occured. Also some mention of a possible Film Recovery Systems connection.

    http://americanfraud.com/elkgroevillage.aspx
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    Thanks to all for the comments. TobyWong I think the Nature/Trees/Wood clues are a major "criminal signature" linking Ted Kaczynski to this case. And the geography is amazing. Lombard where his family home was is the exact epicenter of the placements.

    That is interesting, yes, I think the picture does look like a "cleaned up" version of Ted. He wouldn't go into a store with his "mountain man" messy appearance, you are right, that would attract attention, he wanted to blend in.

    Ted did make a reference about a "humane way" to kill people in his journal.

    The victim deaths started the morning of September 29, 1982. They think most of the bottles were probably placed between September 25th and 28th. I don't think we can know the order. You can see my maps above that show the placement sites. The sites are consistent with someone based in Lombard taking a bus or car and going in a semi-circle.

    I got my first newspaper mention in the Chicago Daily Herald article below. At least she interviewed me (AK Wilks) and Douglas Oswell www.unazod.com and printed our names and comments, and points out we were the first to research this and contact the FBI. My main research article is 55,000 words, it is a lot to go through! I have sent the reporter some new information as well. I first spoke to her in 2009. Hopefully this is just a start and she will follow up with a more detailed article as she reads more of our work, that is the impression I got from talking to her.

    The Chicago Daily Herald is a medium sized paper that covers the Chicago suburbs. I hope this gets picked up by the Chicago Tribune, Sacramento Bee and other papers.

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/705199967/

    By Jamie Sotonoff and Deborah Donovan

    FBI wants to test Unabomber DNA in Tylenol killings

    Could the Unabomber and the Tylenol killer — who both left victims across the suburbs — be the same person?

    The Federal Bureau of Investigations wants DNA from Evergreen Park native Theodore Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber imprisoned for life for killing three people. The agency won’t say why, but Kaczynski, in a court filing, said the FBI wants to determine if he was responsible for the 1982 Tylenol poisonings. He denies any involvement in the Tylenol case. Seven people died in three days when cyanide-filled capsules were put into Extra Strength Tylenol bottles on retail store shelves in Cook and DuPage counties. The deaths triggered a massive product recall, widespread consumer panic and new standards for tamper-proof product packaging.


    Killed were Mary Kellerman, 12, of Elk Grove Village; Adam Janus of Arlington Heights; Stanley Janus of Lisle, the brother of Adam; Theresa Janus of Lisle, Stanley’s wife; Mary McFarland of Elmhurst; Paula Prince of Chicago and Mary Reiner of Winfield.

    Chicago FBI spokeswoman Cynthia Yates confirmed Thursday that the agency asked for Kaczynski’s DNA, saying he is among “numerous individuals” from whom the FBI wants samples. She would not provide details about any of the others.

    Kaczynski’s initial bomb targets were in the Chicago area, with two bombs exploding at Northwestern University in Evanston in 1978 and 1979; one placed on a United Airlines jet leaving O’Hare International Airport in 1979, forcing an emergency landing; and another exploding at the Lake Forest home of United Airlines’ president in 1980.

    Kaczynski disclosed the DNA request in court papers in an effort to stop an auction of his belongings, now in progress. The 68-year-old former mathematics professor also wrote in his motion: “I have never even possessed any potassium cyanide.”

    Kaczynski’s attorney, John Balasz, said he’s “completely convinced” Kaczynski had no involvement in the Tylenol case and thinks the FBI wants his DNA only so they can definitively rule him out as a suspect.

    Kaczynski has refused to voluntarily give the sample, and in the motion filed over his belongings, said he’d be willing to go to court over it.

    The FBI collected DNA samples from Kaczynski after his arrest, but that material “might have degraded to the point that it is not usable,” said Ross Rice with the FBI in Chicago. “It’s always best to have a current sample.”

    Kaczynski wants to keep certain items taken from his cabin in 1996, including journals he says could prove his whereabouts in 1982 and other evidence that could clear him in the Tylenol case.

    Kaczynski grew up in Evergreen Park before enrolling at Harvard University at age 16. After graduating he lived in Michigan and California, then returned to suburban Chicago in 1972 and used his family’s Lombard address to acquire an Illinois driver’s license. He surrendered that license for one in Montana in 1973, but renewed his Illinois license in 1978.

    In 1996, Kaczynski was arrested at a remote Montana cabin and charged with sending 16 mail bombs that killed three people and injured 23 others.

    “I don’t know how strong of a suspect he is, but based on his past, I can see why the FBI is doing this as a process of elimination,” said Arlington Heights Police Cmdr. Kenneth Galinski, whose department has an officer assigned to work with the FBI on the Tylenol case.

    Despite national hysteria, intense media attention and what was initially a 140-member police task force, the Tylenol killer was never found and investigators said the trail was cold.

    Thursday’s news marks the first time in decades the FBI has put the spotlight on someone other than James Lewis, the Boston man widely believed to be the killer.

    Lewis spent 12 years in jail for extortion after he sent Johnson & Johnson, the maker of Tylenol, a letter demanding $1 million to “stop the killing.” He has denied any responsibility in the cyanide poisonings.

    “I would certainly think he is still a person of interest,” Galinski said. “I don’t know if the FBI has learned everything they want to know about him.”

    Dozens of different theories about suspects have circulated over the years, pointing to everyone from Johnson & Johnson’s competitors to Roger Arnold (now deceased), a convicted killer who worked at Jewel’s distribution facility in Melrose Park.


    True crime author Douglas Oswell and researcher A.K. Wilks are among those who always suspected the Unabomber was connected to the case. They shared their research with the FBI and published it online.

    Wilks said he emailed the FBI after the 2009 raid of Lewis’ home, when he “thought they might be going down the wrong road,” and ended up speaking at length with two different FBI agents. He also contacted authorities suggesting they stop the auction of Kaczynski’s items, because he thought they might contain valuable evidence.

    “The fact that (the FBI) called me twice made me somewhat hopeful,” said Wilks. “If the authorities give it a serious look, that’s all you can ask for.”

    “If I were on a jury right now, I couldn’t convict him. But if I was a cop right now, I’d have to be brain-dead not to be interested in him,” said Oswell, who lives in Delaware and describes himself as “an ordinary Joe” fascinated by criminal psychology.


    Helen Jensen of Arlington Heights doesn’t know who committed the Tylenol murders. But the former nurse, who accompanied investigators to the Kellerman home on the day the girl died, said she hopes this latest news isn’t a dead end like so many before. She still occasionally talks to the victim’s grandmother and said her “whole family was destroyed by it.”

    “It sure would be nice to finally get some end to the whole thing, for the people that are survivors,” Jensen said.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.



    Read more: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...#ixzz1Mvjgrgk0
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    If Ted says he was not involved.
    I believe him.
    But do your testing anyways.
    To eliminate him as a POI.

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    There is no bus route in Lombard that goes to the above mapped places where the tainted tylenol was purchased. The suburban bus routes are incredibly limited and basically provide transportation to various train stations heading into Chicago. There is a bus route further south in Lombard which runs a route (or did years ago) between Yorktown Mall and headed west on Madison Street (from Main Street) all the way to the City but that would be at least a 30 minute walk to where TK's parents lived on the other side of town closer to North Ave and Main St.

    Also, there is no train route that makes that half circle to all the places the tainted tylenol was found.

    IMO if TK was responsible he would have had to travel by car. In fact anyone who did this had to travel by car.
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    AKWILKS - I assume there are no finger prints on file for the perp believed to have been responsible for the tylenol murders. If there were, I'd assume there would be no need for TK's dna. Am I correct with this assumption?

    I'll assume there is a dna profile for the person responsible for the tylenol murders.

    Forgive me for the questions. I have not done the extensive research as you have AK'. thanks!
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    I would assume that no usable fingerprints were found. There were a number of "suspects" including James Lewis who were never "officially" ruled out. I think fingerprints would have ruled them out pretty quickly.

    DNA, particularly "Touch" or "trace" DNA, may have been recovered from two or more packages. The technology for this has only become available recently. Any DNA found on only ONE package would be pretty much meaningless since so many different people would have handled each one. Two with the same, however would be hard to explain except that it came from the perp. My guess is that this is what is going on.

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    The initial reports were that DNA was recovered from a smudge within a partial fingerprint from a tainted Tylenol bottle. In early Janury 2010 James Lewis was fingerprinted and gave a DNA sample. Preliminary results on DNA can be obtained within days. Once a few months passsed with no indictment of James Lewis, it was safe to assume he was a no match to the partial fingerprint and the partial DNA profile.

    Interesting fact, for 24 years the FBI has denied any link between the 1982 Chicago deaths and the 1986 Cyanide Tylenol deaths, like that of Yonkers, New York resident Diane Elsroth. Lewis was in prison so could not have done the 1986 cases. But in 2010 the FBI examined tainted CAPSULES from the New York case for fingerprints and DNA. I don't know if any were found, but traces of SILVER were found in the cyanide, which could mean many things, the most likely being the cyanide was stolen from an open or closed silver mine. Cyanide is used in silver and gold mining.

    Also, a very small but perhaps very important detail. Prior to now, I had only heard reports that the FBI found a smudge within a fingerprint that contained DNA on a tainted bottle. Thus I was hopeful this could be DNA from the killer, but it seemed equally possible it could be DNA from a store clerk, shipper or browsing customer. Many people handle a bottle - the factory worker, the shipper, the store clerk, browsing customers and the sales clerk.

    But this report sourced from the Chicago Tribune and printed in the Sacramento Bee says:

    "It's unclear exactly what partial DNA evidence the FBI is looking to compare with Kaczynski's genetic material. One retired supervisor suggested FBI technicians may have been able to extract DNA from a fingerprint smudge found on a pill inside one of the contaminated bottles."

    http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/19/364...g-tylenol.html

    And we know the FBI did look at the CAPSULES in the NY case. If that report above is true, then it seems to me far more likely that the DNA actually came from the killer. Since the victims should have been fingerprinted for elimination purposes, who else would have touched an actual pill INSIDE the bottle? Not a sales clerk, shipper or browsing customer. Perhaps someone at the factory?

    But it seems most likely it would be the person who opened the capsules and filled them with cyanide. Perhaps even using a bit of saliva on finger to seal the capsule? Or perhaps it is other fluids like sweat, or the killer touched his nose or mouth before touching the capsule.


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    Thank you for all your hard work AKWILKS. Is there a photo of James Lewis anywhere?

    Also, I just looked at the survellience video survellience again. I hadn't noticed how long the beard is on the possible suspect in the Jewel photo's. The Jewel suspect appears to have a higher forhead than TK which could possibly be accounted for by how the hair is combed/groomed. While the survellience photo is pretty grainy having looked at countless possible matches between missing persons and the unidentified I think the nose between the POI and TK are spot on.
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    Found some photo's of James Lewis. I still think TK's nose resembles the POI's nose more so than JL's. Especially the bridge and between the eyes. Lewis' nose seems more narrow than both the POI's and TK's.

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    the pics of TK posted upthread - one appears to be a personal shapshot and one a driver's license photo to me

    I wonder if there are any more recent pics of him, as in mugshots? would like to compare hairlines and I don't think they'd allow him a wig/hairpiece/ toupee or plugs in prison

    also, in the photo of Paula buying Tylenol, the man watching her appears to me to be dressed in a white coat that looks suspiciously like a pharmacist's type white jacket (at least that's what they wear around here - just like a doctor's)

    does anyone think that could've been part of his disguise? sorry if this has been covered already

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    I saw some pics of Lewis too and I really can't tell

    the nose would be a give-away if there was a clearer picture

    the beard looks very much like it could be either

    that receding hairline ... could be disguise or could be TK's natural look or could easily be JL's

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    Credit to AweShucks for help on pictures and graphics.

    Early Pics of James Lewis








    I can no longer consider James Lewis a serious suspect in the 1982 Tylenol Murders because of lack of motive, facts showing he was in New York city at the time and the ties between the 1982 case and the 1986 cases when Lewis was in federal max security prison.

    But others still suspect him, so here are the pic comps. I think Ted looks more like the pic, as someone mentioned, look at distance between eyes, the nose and bridge. Also Lewis has blond hair and normally wears glasses.

    We must remember that Kaczynski used disguises when he purchased bomb parts. In one instance he records in his journal he wore several shirts to make himself look heavier, stuffed the shirt for the same reason, put cotton balls in his cheeks, wax in his nostrils to make them larger, gum under his lips and cut and dyed his hair and beard. The man looks very much like a moderately disguised Kaczynski, if Kaczynski also cut his hair back to give the appearance of a more receding hairline. Perhaps a better version of the photo can be obtained, or other photos examined to see if Kaczynski is in any of them.

    A photo of the man and photographs of Kaczynski are attached. The only major difference is the man in the photo has a more receding hairline, which Kaczynski could easily have implemented as a disguise action, in effect making himself look older. There are many strong similarities between the two: Bearded white men of the same approximate age, height, weight, same basic facial structure, eyes, nose, flat hair on the sides, bigger hair on top, beard, even the gray spot at the bottom of the beard matches.

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