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    Sexual behavior - Merged and Closed

    I recently read that one of the signs of sexual abuse in a child is the child acting out sexually. Besides the way she acted in the pagents, had there ever been sexually behavior exihibited by JB in any way?
    I hope this makes sense, I can't put my words together with my thoughts today.

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    I have never heard or read of any sort of sexual behavior being displayed other than in the pageants, and as far as the pageants go, there are many people--well, many women (mothers) in the pageant world that would argue til they turned blue that it's not sexual.....but we all know the truth. These little girls are displayed and dolled up in pageants to feed the insecurities and inadequacies of their moms. IMO, of course, and anyone with a level head.

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    From FindCounseling.com

    Child's Behavior:

    Appears withdrawn or engaged in fantasy or infantile behavior; Begins wetting or soiling the bed; Has poor peer relationships; Is unwilling to participate in physical activities; Is engaging in delinquent acts; Reports sexual abuse; Engages in inappropriate sexualized behavior; Devalues sexual acts and acts sexually permissive; Fears a certain person or certain places; Gives an unusual or unexpected response when asked if he or she was touched by someone; Has an unreasonable fear of a physical exam; Creates drawings that show sexual acts or that seem overly focused on sexual body parts; More knowledge about sex than is normal for the child's age; Pain, bruising, or bleeding in the genitals; Seems preoccupied with or overly concerned about sexual acts and words; Runs away.2,


    I am not sure if she ever exhibited any of the other signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santos1014
    Child's Behavior:

    Appears withdrawn or engaged in fantasy or infantile behavior; Begins wetting or soiling the bed; Has poor peer relationships; Is unwilling to participate in physical activities; Is engaging in delinquent acts; Reports sexual abuse; Engages in inappropriate sexualized behavior; Devalues sexual acts and acts sexually permissive; Fears a certain person or certain places; Gives an unusual or unexpected response when asked if he or she was touched by someone; Has an unreasonable fear of a physical exam; Creates drawings that show sexual acts or that seem overly focused on sexual body parts; More knowledge about sex than is normal for the child's age; Pain, bruising, or bleeding in the genitals; Seems preoccupied with or overly concerned about sexual acts and words; Runs away.2,


    I am not sure if she ever exhibited any of the other signs.
    So much of this is pretty unknown. She definitely exhibited signs that were of concern. IE Barbara Fernies along with other friends wishing to speak to Patsy about the MEGA JonBenet thing when they returned from the Disney Cruise. She of course had recognizable enough signs that the Sexual Abuse team was brought in immediately upon not only the autopsy but the discovery of things in the home that signaled alert. Refer to the Julie Hayden interview with the sexual abuse officer. Soiled underware being in her drawers Link has been provided to this forum several times however if you need it let me know. I'll refurnish. I have never from anyone in Boulder heard them express that JonBenet was fearful of any particular set of people or friends. Only that she was showing some signs of rebellion and she had the rather unusual habit of asking anyone to wipe or change her after her accidents and soiling herself. She also made comment that she didn't feel pretty anymore. Than is also a well known sign. They wish not to be found attractive that is where the soiling and wetting of themselves comes in its a way to appear less appealing and attractive according to experts in this field. We know that there was apparent sexual abuse. What we don't know is who or how long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares
    So much of this is pretty unknown. She definitely exhibited signs that were of concern. IE Barbara Fernies along with other friends wishing to speak to Patsy about the MEGA JonBenet thing when they returned from the Disney Cruise. She of course had recognizable enough signs that the Sexual Abuse team was brought in immediately upon not only the autopsy but the discovery of things in the home that signaled alert. Refer to the Julie Hayden interview with the sexual abuse officer. Soiled underware being in her drawers Link has been provided to this forum several times however if you need it let me know. I'll refurnish. I have never from anyone in Boulder heard them express that JonBenet was fearful of any particular set of people or friends. Only that she was showing some signs of rebellion and she had the rather unusual habit of asking anyone to wipe or change her after her accidents and soiling herself. She also made comment that she didn't feel pretty anymore. Than is also a well known sign. They wish not to be found attractive that is where the soiling and wetting of themselves comes in its a way to appear less appealing and attractive according to experts in this field. We know that there was apparent sexual abuse. What we don't know is who or how long.
    Please if you can, post the link (s) regarding this, if it is not too much trouble. I am catching up on all of this information. Until recently I only had info from news and magazine articles over the years. Thank you very much.

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    There was this dream JonBenet related to Arriane Pugh in which she had a baby and lived with her mom in a castle with a big wall around it. Interesting that there was no mention of her father living in the castle.

    Reports sexual abuse;
    One would expect this to be the case, but it doesn't always happen. Let me put it this way. Suppose JonBenet was being sexually abused by her father. Maybe he was having her perform sex acts on him. She tells her teacher, and John is taken away and put in prison. Everything's all hunky-dory now, right? Well, remember that Patsy had been extremely ill from her cancer. What if she then died? Then JonBenet wouldn't have any parents. She may have had to present the image that everything was okay.


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    Supposedly LHP caught Burke and JonBenet playing doctor one time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares
    She of course had recognizable enough signs that the Sexual Abuse team was brought in immediately upon not only the autopsy but the discovery of things in the home that signaled alert.
    Are the discovery of "things" in the home that signaled alert, are you referring to the soiled underpants in the drawers? Is that the only thing? Because that, although it COULD be a sign of sexual abuse, it can also be simply a girl who soiled her underpants and was embarrassed about it, so she simply "hid" them.

    Nuisanceposter--the act of "playing doctor" is a completely normal part of childhood--and the fact that her and Burke were caught doing this once isn't indicative of a problem. It's natural curiosity, and I think that we, as adults, tend to make it "bad". Now, it does become a problem if it is something done continuously, or even many times, but if, in all those years they were only caught once, I would chalk it up to natural childhood curiousity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me
    There was this dream JonBenet related to Arriane Pugh in which she had a baby and lived with her mom in a castle with a big wall around it. Interesting that there was no mention of her father living in the castle.
    I don't think anything can or even should be inferred due to a dream that JonBenet had where she lived with her mom, and made no mention of her dad living with them. I mean, should that dream somehow be interpreted to mean that she was being sexually abused by her dad? I think that is really reaching, whether you (generally you, not you personally) are an IDI or RDI. I mean, my son had a dream last night that a UFO landed on the freeway, and an alien came out, and the alien and police got in a fight, and my son went to shoot the alien but accidentally shot the cop. Does that mean my son is a gun happy cop killer? Of course I am being facetious, but seriously, dreams are kooky things, and while I think that sometimes you can read something into them, I think for the most part they are just kooky things. I think if someone has a dream where someone important in their life is absent in that dream, it doesn't necessarily mean squat. It's a dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianne
    the act of "playing doctor" is a completely normal part of childhood--and the fact that her and Burke were caught doing this once isn't indicative of a problem. It's natural curiosity, and I think that we, as adults, tend to make it "bad". Now, it does become a problem if it is something done continuously, or even many times, but if, in all those years they were only caught once, I would chalk it up to natural childhood curiousity.
    I agree, julianne. It was most likely a case of "I'll show mine if you show me yours".


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    Quote Originally Posted by julianne
    Are the discovery of "things" in the home that signaled alert, are you referring to the soiled underpants in the drawers? Is that the only thing? Because that, although it COULD be a sign of sexual abuse, it can also be simply a girl who soiled her underpants and was embarrassed about it, so she simply "hid" them.

    Nuisanceposter--the act of "playing doctor" is a completely normal part of childhood--and the fact that her and Burke were caught doing this once isn't indicative of a problem. It's natural curiosity, and I think that we, as adults, tend to make it "bad". Now, it does become a problem if it is something done continuously, or even many times, but if, in all those years they were only caught once, I would chalk it up to natural childhood curiousity.
    Those underwear weren't "hidden", they were in her drawer. LHP also said that Patsy had had to soak JB's undies.

    I don't think playing doctor between siblings or even playmates is anything other than normal and natural curiosity, either. I didn't mention it to imply that it was a sign of sexual abuse - I just meant it's a sign of sexual behavior. I'm sure all kids do it - it's part of discovering the other sex as well as your own. I didn't meant to imply it was a bad thing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianne
    Are the discovery of "things" in the home that signaled alert, are you referring to the soiled underpants in the drawers? Is that the only thing? Because that, although it COULD be a sign of sexual abuse, it can also be simply a girl who soiled her underpants and was embarrassed about it, so she simply "hid" them.

    Nuisanceposter--the act of "playing doctor" is a completely normal part of childhood--and the fact that her and Burke were caught doing this once isn't indicative of a problem. It's natural curiosity, and I think that we, as adults, tend to make it "bad". Now, it does become a problem if it is something done continuously, or even many times, but if, in all those years they were only caught once, I would chalk it up to natural childhood curiousity.
    That amongst other things, but that is certainly part of it. You must remember that JonBenet was 6 years old, most children are not accepted into school exhibiting need poor toileting habits. It is not something that a child of her age shouldn't have well under control. She was not 3 but 6. It could be a sign of a little tirl who soiled her underpants who hid them. Two things are inconsistent in that ideology, one her shame in it. She openly had anyone available to wipe and change her all the time. That was noted and of concern. So that rather negates her hiding this problem. However the sheer number of soiled undies in the drawer was a flag that went up. This was not a minor problem that JonBenet was experiencing. She'd been seen at the doctors for problems along these lines creating irritations and yeast infections etc. There was the reported sessions of verbalization at loud volumes between her and Patsy in the bathroom etc. It is a MAJOR flag of sexual abuse. To suggest otherwise is simply negligent in acknowledging the warning signs or not wishing to look at the possibility that JonBenet was being sexually abused. Also the vaginal opening being twice that of normal and other things indicate prior and acute sexual abuse. It is true her doctor had not noted sexual abuse. Dr. Beuf. However he notes as well he'd not done internal vaginal exam on her.

    As to playing doctor some of that is normal I suppose in I'll show you mine if I can see yours. As long as that normal curiosity was not a continuous problem and certainly it was not reported as a problem. However any activity that would enlarge the vaginal opening is not normal playing doctor but sexual abuse and incest. Which at Burkes younger age I would hesitate to point suspicion in that direction if unwarranted and undocumented. I think its reasonable to be concerned regarding sexual abuse and was JonBenet being sexually abused however I think there could be other explanations for this beside Burke.

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    "Also the vaginal opening being twice that of normal and other things indicate prior and acute sexual abuse."

    I read the autopsy report, and I don't recall that there was anything like this mentioned. Please elaborate. Where was this info reported? Thanks much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionRun
    Please if you can, post the link (s) regarding this, if it is not too much trouble. I am catching up on all of this information. Until recently I only had info from news and magazine articles over the years. Thank you very much.
    http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/p...Y&pageId=3.2.1

    This is the link to the interview with Julie Hayden. She was interviewing Holly Smith the one that was called in to investigate the scene for signs of sexual abuse as she is a sexual abuse officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionRun
    "Also the vaginal opening being twice that of normal and other things indicate prior and acute sexual abuse."

    I read the autopsy report, and I don't recall that there was anything like this mentioned. Please elaborate. Where was this info reported? Thanks much.
    That would be in the detailed report. Also it is common knowledge along with the hymenal penetration reports etc. I believe you can get that information at acandyrose.com It does not say sexual abuse so that is not what you need to look for. Just look where it describes the size and all that. I wont be home till midday tomorrow. so if anyone else here could help LionRun in the meantime. I am so sorry. I hate like the dickens to inform then cut and run. Its just I have obligations that are taking me out till then. Sorry

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