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    "Collette"

    "I had come up with JonBenet's name by putting John's first and middle names together into one name. John Bennett became JonBenet. Bennett was John's mother's maiden name. When we wavered back and forth between a coupele of options, I had asked Burke, who was three years old at the time, "What do you think about Caroline or Sarah?" He liked JonBenet the best, he said. After she was born, the discussion turned to her middle name. We tentatively decided upon Collette, but as I sat in my hospital bed, filling out birth certificate forms, I thought, Who is Collette, and what in the world did she have to do with any of this? Her middle name will be Patricia, after moi. And that was that. (DOI pg. 152 hb version)


    Look up the meaning of the name Collette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me
    "I had come up with JonBenet's name by putting John's first and middle names together into one name. John Bennett became JonBenet. Bennett was John's mother's maiden name. When we wavered back and forth between a coupele of options, I had asked Burke, who was three years old at the time, "What do you think about Caroline or Sarah?" He liked JonBenet the best, he said. After she was born, the discussion turned to her middle name. We tentatively decided upon Collette, but as I sat in my hospital bed, filling out birth certificate forms, I thought, Who is Collette, and what in the world did she have to do with any of this? Her middle name will be Patricia, after moi. And that was that. (DOI pg. 152 hb version)


    Look up the meaning of the name Collette.

    www.babynamesworld.com


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    that's weird ! ..wonder if she knew the meaning of the name ?
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    There's that 'victory' association again. Hmmmmmm

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    The coincidences like this are so rampant in this case, at times I find myself tending to believe Patsy's inference that all of this was pre-ordained by God. Just kidding, but jeez, I've never seen the word "victory" pop up so many times anywhere else. I'm not in the least bit surprised that Patsy decided to name her daughter after herself or that she referred to herself as "moi." Typical Francophile Patsy, right down to the accent mark on "attaché" in the RN.

    Tea, you've got me laughing with:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    The coincidences like this are so rampant in this case, at times I find myself tending to believe Patsy's inference that all of this was pre-ordained by God. Just kidding, but jeez, I've never seen the word "victory" pop up so many times anywhere else.
    I don't think this is a coincidence either, Nuisanceposter.

    Tea, you've got me laughing with:

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    Matt Foley, motivational speaker.
    Thanks!

    http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/crs97/chris.jpg

    "I live in a van down by the river!"


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    Last edited by icedtea4me; 01-05-2007 at 12:27 PM. Reason: made an error with response

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMO8778
    that's weird ! ..wonder if she knew the meaning of the name ?
    I'd be willing to bet she did, JMO8778.


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    Here we have Patsy relating an incident about writing something in connection with JonBenet. The final mention is about the name Collette, which means victory. And Victory! is at the end of the note.

    I think there's a lot more to this JonBenet's birth story than meets the eye, as there seems to be quite a few eerie connections between it and the events of Dec 25-26. She begins the story (DOI pg. 148-152 hb version) after mentioning the CU student art exhibit. "My baby, my innocent child, portrayed as a whore!" This could be seen as a clue as to what triggered the events of that night, and the "birth story" is JonBenet's life flashing before Patsy's eyes. In this story-

    -Patsy mentions seeing a spot of blood in her underwear. JonBenet was found with a spot of blood in her underwear.

    -This baby wasn't going to wait, and we had to get to the hospital immediately. I leaned over John to wake him and noticed that the digital clock said 1:00. (Time for JonBenet to be delivered from Patsy's womb.) PMPT pg. 14- Just before 1:00 p.m., Arndt asked Fleet White and John Fernie to take John Ramsey on another tour of the house. (Time for JonBenet to be delivered from the wine cellar in the basement.)

    -John slowed down to around 100 miles an hour after he calmed down a bit. Fortunately there was virtually no one on the highway at that time of the early morning. The dashboard clock read 1:12 a.m. as we pulled of the highway at the hospital exit and sped toward the main entrance. Once there, John swerved into the entryway. "No," I cried, "we need to go to the emergency entrance!" PMPT pg. 16- It was 1:12 p.m. when Detective Arndt grabbed a cellular phone in the kitchen and dialed 911. (Both 1:12 times are connected to emergencies - emergency entrance and emergency call.)

    -This warm, wonderful bundle had arrived with a big bang and seemed to be saying, "Hello, world! Here I am!" (She left with a big bang, also. A big bang on top of the head. "Goodbye, world. There I go."


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    These are some spot-on observations, Tea. I find DOI riveting in the fact that they continually say things throughout that end up implicating them, even when you know they didn't mean to.

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    Hee hee!

    "Young lady, what do you want to do with your life?"
    "I want to live in a van, down by the river..."

    That skit nearly made me pee!

    As for the original post, I have been avoiding DOI, because it doesn't seem like there would be any merit to it. But, it looks like it might be interesting, I'll have to see if my library has it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    These are some spot-on observations, Tea.
    Thanks! You know, the first time I read the "birth story", nothing really struck me about it. But when I read it again, I was like, "This sounds so familiar. I wonder where I've read that before."
    I find DOI riveting in the fact that they continually say things throughout that end up implicating them, even when you know they didn't mean to.
    There could be a two-fold purpose to the DOI. Superficially read, it's a book that tries to put forth the message "We're innocent. We didn't do this." It's only when one digs deeper and begins to notice tiny details that it becomes a whole other story.


    -Tea


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    These are some spot-on observations, Tea. I find DOI riveting in the fact that they continually say things throughout that end up implicating them, even when you know they didn't mean to.
    Hi NP,

    I think I will get it this weekend. Why not.

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    It's an interesting read, if for no other reason that you gain firsthand insight into just who John and Patsy really see themselves and what motivates them. I think I've read DOI more than ST or PMPT, sometimes just looking for specific passages and sometimes cover to cover - I kept it in the bathroom for several months and read it frequently.

    I would say get it from the library, because then the Rs aren't making a profit from you, but then you can't circle and underline things and write reference notes with page numbers in the covers, like I do. My ST and PMPT are all scribbled in, too. I got all three of those books at a secondhand book store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    It's an interesting read, if for no other reason that you gain firsthand insight into just who John and Patsy really see themselves and what motivates them. I think I've read DOI more than ST or PMPT, sometimes just looking for specific passages and sometimes cover to cover - I kept it in the bathroom for several months and read it frequently.

    I would say get it from the library, because then the Rs aren't making a profit from you, but then you can't circle and underline things and write reference notes with page numbers in the covers, like I do. My ST and PMPT are all scribbled in, too. I got all three of those books at a secondhand book store.
    Thank you Nuisanceposter. Have a great weekend!

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    I agree with NP...DOI is a must read.

    IcedTea....you made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up!

    Patsy was a wannabe Jackie Kennedy. She wanted Burke to be named John...(already taken) and JonBenet... Caroline.

    She wore a black veil similar to Jackie O and even posed by the coffin ala Jackie.

    I think most of us agree Patsy was a mixture of Jackie Kennedy and whomever else she emulated. She never had an original thought and most of her statements, thoughts, etc...are quotes from famous people.

    Even the ransom letter is chock full of quotes from movies, etc...

    I want everyone here to know where I stand...and that is that Patsy Ramsey accidently killed her daughter JonBenet.

    Was it an accident?
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98

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    Get it here: http://www.bookcloseouts.com/default...x=0&submit.y=0

    This is a great on line book closeout place. So, I doubt the Ramseys would be profitting in anyway and it's cheap!


    ETA: They also have PMPT for $5.99: http://www.bookcloseouts.com/default...XB&Rt=2&Nty1=1

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