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    What was John wearing the morning of Dec. 26?

    I know that it has been disgusted about what Patsy was wearing the morning of Dec. 26th ( she wore the same clothes she did the night before) I am wondering what John was wearing on the morning of the 26.
    In every interview John states that when he heard Patsy screaming he ran down stairs in his underwear and after Patsy called the police he went upstairs to get dressed.
    Does anyone know if he put back on the same clothes as he had on the night before? Or did he change into a different outfit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanny
    I know that it has been disgusted about what Patsy was wearing the morning of Dec. 26th ( she wore the same clothes she did the night before) I am wondering what John was wearing on the morning of the 26.
    In every interview John states that when he heard Patsy screaming he ran down stairs in his underwear and after Patsy called the police he went upstairs to get dressed.
    Does anyone know if he put back on the same clothes as he had on the night before? Or did he change into a different outfit?
    Excellent question!!

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    Shanny, on pg 306 of JonBenét- The Police Files, it only says:

    JR: Well, before the first policeman arrived, I went upstairs and put on some pants and a shirt and probably looked through the house some more.



    It sounds to me like he put on different clothes than what he had worn the night before. IMO, if he had been wearing the same outfit (ala Patsy) we would have heard about it.

    If I run across anything else, I'll let you know. Or, if you do, let us know, deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanny
    I know that it has been disgusted about what Patsy was wearing the morning of Dec. 26th ( she wore the same clothes she did the night before) I am wondering what John was wearing on the morning of the 26.
    In every interview John states that when he heard Patsy screaming he ran down stairs in his underwear and after Patsy called the police he went upstairs to get dressed.
    Does anyone know if he put back on the same clothes as he had on the night before? Or did he change into a different outfit?
    Question, I am a lurker and decided to post on JB's forum. Has Patsy ever given the reason why she was in the same clothes as the night before? I apologize if this has already been discussed.

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    It's all right, most of us don't mind covering info for people who missed it the previous times we've discussed it. We might even see something missed before by re-examining things.

    Patsy's reason for wearing the same clothes was that she was getting up really early and she had clothes at the house in Michigan, so her plan was to throw on what she'd had on before and change later when they got there. Apparently she'd said she had put the clothes in the bathtub, and just picked them up to dress in them when she went in to wash up and put on make up.

    Since no one has ever remarked that JR wore the same clothes, it's logical to assume he didn't. He supposedly took a shower that morning and ran down in his underwear when Patsy found the note, then ran back up and got dressed before police arrived. Patsy did not take a shower that morning, saying her shower was broken. No one is quite sure why she couldn't use any of the other showers in the house, especially considering John's shower was working fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    It's all right, most of us don't mind covering info for people who missed it the previous times we've discussed it. We might even see something missed before by re-examining things.

    Patsy's reason for wearing the same clothes was that she was getting up really early and she had clothes at the house in Michigan, so her plan was to throw on what she'd had on before and change later when they got there. Apparently she'd said she had put the clothes in the bathtub, and just picked them up to dress in them when she went in to wash up and put on make up.

    Since no one has ever remarked that JR wore the same clothes, it's logical to assume he didn't. He supposedly took a shower that morning and ran down in his underwear when Patsy found the note, then ran back up and got dressed before police arrived. Patsy did not take a shower that morning, saying her shower was broken. No one is quite sure why she couldn't use any of the other showers in the house, especially considering John's shower was working fine.
    Nuisanceposter,

    Well if Patsy had killed Jonbenet and staged it down in the basement, then you would really expect her to have a shower and change her clothes, she should have been covered in forensic evidence?

    I reckon Patsy may not have been wearing those clothes when JonBenet was killed, these were probably put on when she decided JonBenet was going to have to be abducted, and her body dumped outdoors along with authoring an accompanying ransom note?


    So how about if she had a shower using John's prior to him having his one, then she puts her worn clothes back on, knowing full well any fibers she leaves either on JonBenet or in the dumping of her body e.g. using the car, that any fibers are contentious, and can be put down to the journey the night before?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist
    Shanny, on pg 306 of JonBenét- The Police Files, it only says:

    JR: Well, before the first policeman arrived, I went upstairs and put on some pants and a shirt and probably looked through the house some more.



    It sounds to me like he put on different clothes than what he had worn the night before. IMO, if he had been wearing the same outfit (ala Patsy) we would have heard about it.

    If I run across anything else, I'll let you know. Or, if you do, let us know, deal? http://www.websleuths.com/forums/ima...lies/smile.gif
    Note Well, before the first policeman arrived, I went upstairs and put on some pants and a shirt and PROBABLY?!?!? ( emphasis mine ) looked through the house some more. Either he did or did not. How do you PROBABLY do something or ....not. You did or you did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    It's all right, most of us don't mind covering info for people who missed it the previous times we've discussed it. We might even see something missed before by re-examining things.

    Patsy's reason for wearing the same clothes was that she was getting up really early and she had clothes at the house in Michigan, so her plan was to throw on what she'd had on before and change later when they got there. Apparently she'd said she had put the clothes in the bathtub, and just picked them up to dress in them when she went in to wash up and put on make up.

    Since no one has ever remarked that JR wore the same clothes, it's logical to assume he didn't. He supposedly took a shower that morning and ran down in his underwear when Patsy found the note, then ran back up and got dressed before police arrived. Patsy did not take a shower that morning, saying her shower was broken. No one is quite sure why she couldn't use any of the other showers in the house, especially considering John's shower was working fine.
    Thanks very much. So John could take a shower and Patsy couldn't? Hmm ... If your child was "missing" would you put your makeup on? I highly doubt it. Would love to know what really happened to that little girl. I look at my 6 year old and often think of JB and how someone could do this.

    Thanks very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares
    Note Well, before the first policeman arrived, I went upstairs and put on some pants and a shirt and PROBABLY?!?!? ( emphasis mine ) looked through the house some more. Either he did or did not. How do you PROBABLY do something or ....not. You did or you did not.
    I remember reading this before, and thought the same thing. PROBABLY looked through the house some more.....like he didn't know if he did or didn't. He never looked through the house to begin with....he didn't have to...because he already knew that JB's body was in the basement. Why search the house, when you already know where the something is that you are looking for? Probably? GEESH!!! What a liar!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy
    Nuisanceposter,

    Well if Patsy had killed Jonbenet and staged it down in the basement, then you would really expect her to have a shower and change her clothes, she should have been covered in forensic evidence?

    I reckon Patsy may not have been wearing those clothes when JonBenet was killed, these were probably put on when she decided JonBenet was going to have to be abducted, and her body dumped outdoors along with authoring an accompanying ransom note?


    So how about if she had a shower using John's prior to him having his one, then she puts her worn clothes back on, knowing full well any fibers she leaves either on JonBenet or in the dumping of her body e.g. using the car, that any fibers are contentious, and can be put down to the journey the night before?


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    This is interesting: I will post the link if needed...



    "The Blue Bath Robe A blue bath robe was found on the floor in the den on the first floor of the house.
    Why was it there? It is said to be a man's robe. I doubt that John Ramsey wore this robe as he came rushing down the stairs when his wife screamed, and removed his robe to leave it on the floor. This is a puzzle, or is it?
    Did Patsy Ramsey wear the blue robe? When the horror started on the night that JonBenet was killed Patsy was wearing the same clothes she was wearing at the White's Christmas Dinner party. At some point it dawned on her that she better get out of those clothes to eliminate fiber evidence from her clothing. She put on the blue robe. Later she changed back into her clothes and planned to have the same clothes on when the police arrived. She HAD to be wearing them because she was going to make sure that those same clothes were seen by the police and her friends as she fell on the body of her daughter. Patsy HAD to have access to her dead daughter in front of the police and her friends, just as John Ramsey HAD to discover his daughter's body. "


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    It's all right, most of us don't mind covering info for people who missed it the previous times we've discussed it. We might even see something missed before by re-examining things.

    Patsy's reason for wearing the same clothes was that she was getting up really early and she had clothes at the house in Michigan, so her plan was to throw on what she'd had on before and change later when they got there. Apparently she'd said she had put the clothes in the bathtub, and just picked them up to dress in them when she went in to wash up and put on make up.

    Since no one has ever remarked that JR wore the same clothes, it's logical to assume he didn't. He supposedly took a shower that morning and ran down in his underwear when Patsy found the note, then ran back up and got dressed before police arrived. Patsy did not take a shower that morning, saying her shower was broken. No one is quite sure why she couldn't use any of the other showers in the house, especially considering John's shower was working fine.
    The part that I bolded has always struck me as odd. While I'm sure they did have clothes in Charlevoix, they used that home as a summer home, didn't they? So the clothes they did have there would be summer clothes, right?

    Plus, we all know how quickly kids grow... would the clothes there still fit?

    Just seems strange to me.

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    John Ramsey was wearing a long-sleeved blue-and-white-striped shirt and khaki slacks on Dec 26 (Thomas's book pg. 16).


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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares
    Note Well, before the first policeman arrived, I went upstairs and put on some pants and a shirt and PROBABLY?!?!? ( emphasis mine ) looked through the house some more. Either he did or did not. How do you PROBABLY do something or ....not. You did or you did not.
    In that case he probably could have answered the door with nothing on...
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    I remember reading this before, and thought the same thing. PROBABLY looked through the house some more.....like he didn't know if he did or didn't. He never looked through the house to begin with....he didn't have to...because he already knew that JB's body was in the basement. Why search the house, when you already know where the something is that you are looking for? Probably? GEESH!!! What a liar!!!
    I agree,those 2 would have been throwing stuff around right n left if JB had really been missing...only stopping long enough to call police and then going right back to searching.LE would have had to MAKE them sit down or be still !!!
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    This is interesting: I will post the link if needed...



    "The Blue Bath Robe A blue bath robe was found on the floor in the den on the first floor of the house.
    Why was it there? It is said to be a man's robe. I doubt that John Ramsey wore this robe as he came rushing down the stairs when his wife screamed, and removed his robe to leave it on the floor. This is a puzzle, or is it?
    Did Patsy Ramsey wear the blue robe? When the horror started on the night that JonBenet was killed Patsy was wearing the same clothes she was wearing at the White's Christmas Dinner party. At some point it dawned on her that she better get out of those clothes to eliminate fiber evidence from her clothing. She put on the blue robe. Later she changed back into her clothes and planned to have the same clothes on when the police arrived. She HAD to be wearing them because she was going to make sure that those same clothes were seen by the police and her friends as she fell on the body of her daughter. Patsy HAD to have access to her dead daughter in front of the police and her friends, just as John Ramsey HAD to discover his daughter's body. "
    Ames,

    Its possible that both John and Patsy may have had it in their mind to somehow touch JonBenet soon after she was discovered?

    But neither could guarantee, in advance, they would be afforded that opportunity, they may have been arrested, or as usual, the wine-cellar cordoned off, and JonBenet left in-situ, so I doubt there was ever a plan to gain bodily contact with JonBenet.

    The Blue Robe: Applying occam and kiss principles, this is what John was wearing when he arose from bed? And he may have arose from bed to accomodate JonBenet? Was the den the same place the magazine with all those X's marked on it?

    I doubt Patsy was wearing the same clothes that she wore to the White's thats part of the staging, she wants you to believe this, its part of the plan, she knows the clothes she wore to the White's will not be contentious!


    The Ramsey's version of events is inconsistent with the forensic evidence, so you can assume its all mostly staged for their benefit, even Burke gets a lie in that morning, no need for an early rise for the vacation flight.



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