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    TX - Phanta 'Jack' Phoummarath, 18, dies of alcohol poisoning, Austin, 10 Dec 2005

    Oh my God he went through hell. Those bastards made this teen suffer and taunted him while he was laying there dying!!


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    HOUSTON As Phanta "Jack" Phoummarath lay dying of alcohol poisoning, members of the club he was trying to join defaced his body with anti-gay epithets and obscene drawings, according to a medical examiner's report.

    "It was disgusting and despicable behavior," said Houston attorney Randy Sorrels, who represents Phoummarath's family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark_shadows
    Oh my God he went through hell. Those bastards made this teen suffer and taunted him while he was laying there dying!!


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    HOUSTON As Phanta "Jack" Phoummarath lay dying of alcohol poisoning, members of the club he was trying to join defaced his body with anti-gay epithets and obscene drawings, according to a medical examiner's report.

    "It was disgusting and despicable behavior," said Houston attorney Randy Sorrels, who represents Phoummarath's family.
    That is Cold, very sick behavior to draw on someone and taunt them is pure evil! Just when I hear something that sickens me so much that I think that is the worst, I hear another thing! What really is wrong with people, I mean this is a sick, sick thing! My heart goes out to the parents of this boy, I mean I cannot imagine my child dying but then to hear and see that he has writings and drawing on his dead body is beyond words for me.

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    Here's what I don't get - Why does hazing even occur? Does it make the aggressor feel superior? Are they humble after hazing? Are they proud they have humiliated one of their potential brothers?


    It makes me sick to think of the pain and suffering the victim's family is feeling. And you know? It could have ALL been avoided. I say punish those responsible for this young man's death. Don't revoke their fraternity status. Punish them by putting them in jail. And just as ironic as it seems, they too will one day feel the same humilation they were once so proud of. I am not saying I want this to happen - as I do not believe two wrongs make a right - but I do believe it will happen IMO.

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    OMG! I'm sorry ok please I hope nobody takes offense to this but WHAT THE HELL KIND OF UPBRINGING DO KIDS HAVE NOW A DAYS? Do parents teach their children anything anymore? Seriously? Do they? My God that poor boy what kind of evil sick twisted society do we live in? I want to just take my 3 kids and lock us up in the house and never leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mygirlsadie
    OMG! I'm sorry ok please I hope nobody takes offense to this but WHAT THE HELL KIND OF UPBRINGING DO KIDS HAVE NOW A DAYS? Do parents teach their children anything anymore? Seriously? Do they? My God that poor boy what kind of evil sick twisted society do we live in? I want to just take my 3 kids and lock us up in the house and never leave.
    I fear we have a generation of children who have no morals, no discipline, no boundries, no character and no spankings! I know some parents did (and do still) abuse corporal punishment but... my gawd, look at the results of our new parenting. jmo of course, but most children need a good spanking and punishment for wrong doing. Responsibilty for their actions! In fact, they make their bones by being the most extremely obnoxious, in your face bad ass they can be. This is done vocally, visually and sexually!
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    I've never hit any of my children and I don't feel that they will turn into tormentors of others because of it. There is a lot more involved here than just growing up without being hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    I've never hit any of my children and I don't feel that they will turn into tormentors of others because of it. There is a lot more involved here than just growing up without being hit.
    My brother and I were never hit, my kid was never hit - I agree with you. However, when you have alcohol supressing the rational parts of your brain and pressure to fit in with your peers right on the heels of that - it can get ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitchWizard
    My brother and I were never hit, my kid was never hit - I agree with you. However, when you have alcohol supressing the rational parts of your brain and pressure to fit in with your peers right on the heels of that - it can get ugly.

    It sure can and if these girls were drinking they needed to be removed from the squad and put into treatment. I don't think that corporal punishment is going to cure alcoholism. I'm not even sure if we know for a fact that drugs and/or alcohol was involved though, do we? The "pack mentality" definately played a part in how these girls behaved. It seems they were not mature enough to handle the position that they were in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richandfamous
    I fear we have a generation of children who have no morals, no discipline, no boundries, no character and no spankings!
    Sorry to disappoint, but my son has high morals, strong character and boundaries, and self-discipline (as well as strong parental guidance and discipline)....amazingly, all without having to hit him.

    His friends who've grown up being spanked/whipped/whooped/hit/whatever all either get sneakier to avoid getting caught, or only avoid trouble out of fear of being hit...NOT because they want to do the right thing. I much prefer having a teen who avoids trouble because he wants to make good choices, not because he's afraid of me hitting him.

    Sorry...hot button for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richandfamous
    I fear we have a generation of children who have no morals, no discipline, no boundries, no character and no spankings! I know some parents did (and do still) abuse corporal punishment but... my gawd, look at the results of our new parenting. jmo of course, but most children need a good spanking and punishment for wrong doing. Responsibilty for their actions! In fact, they make their bones by being the most extremely obnoxious, in your face bad ass they can be. This is done vocally, visually and sexually!
    A few bad children are NOT the whole generation anymore than Scott Peterson is all husbands. For every rotten kid there are probably 500 good ones. You just don't hear about them. My kids are very well mannered, have great morals, and are very successful......No spanking required.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisahas2cats
    Sorry to disappoint, but my son has high morals, strong character and boundaries, and self-discipline (as well as strong parental guidance and discipline)....amazingly, all without having to hit him.

    His friends who've grown up being spanked/whipped/whooped/hit/whatever all either get sneakier to avoid getting caught, or only avoid trouble out of fear of being hit...NOT because they want to do the right thing. I much prefer having a teen who avoids trouble because he wants to make good choices, not because he's afraid of me hitting him.

    Sorry...hot button for me.
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    EXCELLENT POST!!!!! If you ask me, all hitting a child does is teach him that if you don't know what else to do, hit someone. That's not a lesson I care to teach my children.

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    This is not going to be a popular view...

    I am not so sure that what the fraternity brothers did was beyond a prank.
    Certainly they did not know he was dying and the other seeking membership to this fraternity did not die, yet no doubt consumed the same vast quantity of liquer. The article does not indicate that they knew he was dying. He made it to his room and passed out. (which many of that age group partying do often)
    I have seen guys at parties play these sort of pranks on each other.
    No harm intended. Although I do think the gay comments were disgusting.
    If this guy awoke with an awful hangover the next day it would have just been chalked up to a prank and not even reported.

    Also something should be said here about personal responsibility.
    Noone forced him to consume the alcohol. There is not mention that he was forced. He willingly went along and drank to such excess.
    Had he done so and then drove and killed someone NO ONE would say it was anything but his own fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amraann
    This is not going to be a popular view...

    I am not so sure that what the fraternity brothers did was beyond a prank.
    Certainly they did not know he was dying and the other seeking membership to this fraternity did not die, yet no doubt consumed the same vast quantity of liquer. The article does not indicate that they knew he was dying. He made it to his room and passed out. (which many of that age group partying do often)
    I have seen guys at parties play these sort of pranks on each other.
    No harm intended. Although I do think the gay comments were disgusting.
    If this guy awoke with an awful hangover the next day it would have just been chalked up to a prank and not even reported.

    Also something should be said here about personal responsibility.
    Noone forced him to consume the alcohol. There is not mention that he was forced. He willingly went along and drank to such excess.
    Had he done so and then drove and killed someone NO ONE would say it was anything but his own fault.
    I was just getting ready to post, but once again you've done my work for me. I agree with everything you wrote.

    I am so sorry that this young man died of alcohol poisoning. Hazing is not a good thing, but lots of people enter into it willingly.

    I do not think the kids that wrote on his body were monsters. I'm sure they didn't know he was dying. We used to do funny things to people when they were passed out in college. It's fairly common - immature, drunken and obnoxious, yes, but not aberrant.
    I do not intend to tiptoe through life only to arrive safely at death!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittykat1
    Here's what I don't get - Why does hazing even occur? Does it make the aggressor feel superior? Are they humble after hazing? Are they proud they have humiliated one of their potential brothers?
    From my own experience with fraternities and sororities, I'm of the opinion that the perpetrators of hazing are bullies with low self-esteem who get their kicks by harassing others. It's the same mentality as high school bullying.

    Whenever I interview someone for a position with the company I work for, I'm always put-off if they mention belonging to a fraternity or sorority. I know it borders on discrimination (don't flame me, please!) but I'm less inclined to hire them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mabel
    A few bad children are NOT the whole generation anymore than Scott Peterson is all husbands. For every rotten kid there are probably 500 good ones. You just don't hear about them. My kids are very well mannered, have great morals, and are very successful......No spanking required.
    Mabel, I totally agree with this post. I think there are many more fantastic young people who make excellent choices than rotten kids, but fantastic kids don't make the news! My brother and I have both grown up to be well rounded, sensible adults without the aid of spanking.

    I hesitate to consider these young people criminals. I'm sure everyone involved had had a fair bit to drink that night, and while the kids who wrote on his body didn't behave nicely, it can be pretty hard to tell the difference between someone having had to much to drink and passing out, and someone who is seriously ill with alcohol poisoning. I'm not sure what it is like in the States, but here it is fairly common for people to be written on, have their eyebrows shaved off etc when they pass out at college parties. The kids concerned probably had no idea that he was dying, and feel dreadful about their actions now.

    I am terribly sad for the young man who died, his family, and for everyone involved.

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