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    Question re Ransom Note

    I have followed this case, but not as closely as some of you sleuthers. What I am wondering is has it ever been discussed as to why the kidnappers would leave a ransom note and then kill JB and leave her in the basement???

    I thought I had read that the ransom note was written on stationary from the Ramsey home. If this is correct. did the kidnappers write the note before they killed JB, planning on only kidnapping her and then something went wrong and they had to kill her (doesn't make too much sense) and then just left the note with the wrong information on it anyway???

    of, did they write the note after they killed her which would make absolutely no sense at all - (like, maybe noone will look in the basement and we can get the ransom money before they find her)???!!!

    The whole thing seems staged to me - why would kidnappers write that type of note only to leave the body dead in the house???

    Fill me in here, guys. Thanks!

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    Poco.. that note always bothered me too... for one thing it states that they (the ramsey's) will be contacted tomorrow...

    Assuming the intruders were in the house after midnight.. then 'tomorrow' would have been the next day... not the day JonBenet was found but the day after.

    I wish someone, somewhere would solve this case.... I guess as long as peolle do not forget and keep asking questions there will be interest.

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    The note was certainly written before the murder. I don't think any kidnapping was ever contemplated. The note seems to have been mere entertainment for the intruder. Entertaining to write, entertaining for him to imagine its consequences as the parents sat by the phone.

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    No, not on stationary but from a pad of paper in the Ramsey's house. John Ramsey gave the pad to BPD early in the morning of Dec 26 when handwriting samples of both John and Patsy were requested.

    The pad had been on a small table in the hallway beside the kitchen telephone. There were other pads in the house, also, but this pad had matching tears to the 3 sheets of paper the ransom note was written on.

    There were no fingerprints on the 3 pages from anyone in the house (paper doesn't *take* fingerprints very well). A single fingerprint from the lab technician who examined the note was found.

    Steve Thomas' book and PMPT both cover the ransom note extensively. If you haven't read them, you really should.

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    Then the intruder should've removed the body from the house - now that's entertainment.

    Leaving the body there so it could be found - no fun, game over.

    Dump the body - torment the Ramseys until the body is found.

    Doesn't make sense, Toth.
    IMO -

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    The note was penned by Patsy, with input by John, to provide some kind of "proof" to present to police that an intruder had broken into the house and murdered JonBenet. The Ramseys knew very well that a note would be the only physical evidence they could come up with that would point to an intruder. At the crime scene there were no foreign hairs, fibers, footprints, fingerprints, or anything else, to indicate anyone had entered the house that night...and no DNA. The so-called "foreign" DNA that's been entered into the FBI database is more than likely nothing but a Ram scam. It probably belongs to Sum Yung Gai, or it's the result of lab contamination, or the extra markers in the sample are a false positive resulting from the DNA amplification process. The Rs like to spin the facts and claim that the DNA is from a non-Ramsey male, but the truth is that if the extraneous, non-JonBenet DNA extracted from the sample is from more than one person, no Ramsey can be excluded.

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    So, if they wrote the note from paper that was in the house --- you're telling me the intruder took time out to sit down and pen the note (maybe while feeding JB some pineapples), before he killed her. I would think, in that case, the note would have read more like:

    "Mr. Ramsey.
    Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent
    a small foreign faction. We xx respect your bussiness
    but not the country that it serves. At this time we have
    killed your daughter. She is in the basement."

    ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toth
    The note was certainly written before the murder. I don't think any kidnapping was ever contemplated. The note seems to have been mere entertainment for the intruder. Entertaining to write, entertaining for him to imagine its consequences as the parents sat by the phone.
    The note was written AFTER the killing as a means to divert attention away from what really occured and who did it.

    It's hogwash to suggest that this person who chose to break in to a large expensive home - on Christmas day no less - which had an alarm system as most if not all large expensive homes do - wrote 3 PAGES of a letter ahead of time just to "entertain" himself while assuming the parents wouldn't FIND her right away.
    SO many things this dude would have to know AHEAD of time.
    1. That the Ramseys would be leaving that evening.
    2. That the Ramseys would be returning that evening.
    3. That the alarm system was not turned on.
    4. That the yippy little dog would not be in the home that night.
    5. That JonBenet would be in HER bed that night.
    6. That the family members would be asleep all night.
    It makes no sense to even think for a minute that this was what someone planned out.

    You cannot have it all ways. It is either a: *Kidnapper wanting money;
    *A pedophile wanting sex; or *Someone who wanted revenge on the family.
    NONE of these scenarios fit the facts of the crime.
    ALL of these scenarios were lamely suggested by the stager because the depth of the fear was so great at the truth being found out - the stager overdid the staging to the point that it was OBVIOUS it was staging.
    Long and rambling note ("thou doth protest too much...")
    Implying the motivation was money -thus the kidnapping angle claimed
    Implying they didn't like the USA or John Ramsey - thus the revenge angle
    Implying perhaps a sexual motivation by the abuse done to her although it
    was attempted to be wiped away and hidden - so this may have been more
    the trigger ending in a rage than staging - but it could have been staging.

    Had the stager stuck to ONE angle/motivation and followed through with it - it just might have worked.
    But jumping from one to another when the facts do not associate with either - big mistake.

    If you're a kidnapper - THEN KIDNAP!
    If you want money - CALL FOR IT!
    If you are a pervert - DON'T HANG AROUND WITH THE KID

    Just as the stager was not satisfied that one page was enough to convince the authorities that a kidnapping had taken place - nor was 2 pages enough - but finally 3.... So too was the stager not satisfied in pointing to just ONE motivation in the crime. Desperation in the crime and staging is patently obvious. NO "entertainment" was going on that night. Just sheer panic and fear.
    This post is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poco
    So, if they wrote the note from paper that was in the house --- you're telling me the intruder took time out to sit down and pen the note (maybe while feeding JB some pineapples), before he killed her.
    Actually, there were more than just 3 pages missing from the note pad, and there is evidence that a practice note was written first. Maybe this mystery intruder needed to practice his penmanship...or maybe after finding only pineapple to feed her, he was planning on leaving Patsy a quick grocery list.

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    I watched a forensics show last night and there was something said that I found interesting:

    "Intruders do not stay and clean up the crime scene."

    JonBenet was wiped down and re-dressed.
    JonBenet was wrapped "like a cocoon" in her blanket.

    No doubt about it folks....crime scene was cleaned up.
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shylock
    Maybe this mystery intruder needed to practice his penmanship...or maybe after finding only pineapple to feed her, he was planning on leaving Patsy a quick grocery list.
    lol, Shylock.

    But, y'know, maybe Toth is right. During the two hours or so between the time JB ate the pineapple and was killed, she and the intruder sat in the kitchen visiting while the intruder practiced and perfected the note. Uh huh.

    K777angel - great post, as usual.
    The intruder is innocent! JMO

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    poco, it is Smit's theory that the killer entered the house while the Ramseys were at the Whites' house on Christmas night, and awaited their return.

    Finding pen and paper handy while waiting, the killer wrote a "ransom" note naming a ransom he probably never planned to attempt recovering. Smit thinks it may have been a kidnapping "gone wrong" but I don't think there was ever an actual plan to collect money.

    Comparisons of John and Patsy's handwriting to the ransom note have ruled John out as writer and concluded that Patsy probably did not write it. I think samples of the killer's handwriting, when he's caught by DNA will be a good "match" to the handwriting on the note.

    Actually getting JonBenét out of the house wasn't as easy as molesting and killing her inside the house, so that's what happened IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LovelyPigeon
    poco, it is Smit's theory that the killer entered the house while the Ramseys were at the Whites' house on Christmas night, and awaited their return.

    Finding pen and paper handy while waiting, the killer wrote a "ransom" note naming a ransom he probably never planned to attempt recovering. Smit thinks it may have been a kidnapping "gone wrong" but I don't think there was ever an actual plan to collect money.

    Comparisons of John and Patsy's handwriting to the ransom note have ruled John out as writer and concluded that Patsy probably did not write it. I think samples of the killer's handwriting, when he's caught by DNA will be a good "match" to the handwriting on the note.

    Actually getting JonBenét out of the house wasn't as easy as molesting and killing her inside the house, so that's what happened IMO.
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    SOOOOO, who killed JBR?????????? (I know, that's the $1,000,000,000 question).

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    I think the owner of that male DNA in her panties is the killer.

    Who is that? We don't yet know but I have hope that a "match" will eventually be made. It's happening almost everyday now on other cases, old and new, with DNA comparisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LovelyPigeon
    Comparisons of John and Patsy's handwriting to the ransom note have ruled John out as writer and concluded that Patsy probably did not write it.
    I still think you should get over to ACR's web site and take a look at the actual side-by-side comparisons of Patsy's known writings and the Ransom note. If after that, you still think Patsy didn't write the note, you still have accomplished something: You can honestly tell the world that you have a habit of playing games with yourself.

    IMO

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