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    Disposing of evidence

    I see a post elsewhere asking why the killer disposed of the roll of duct tape and the cord. My guess is that either the killer knew there might be forensic evidence on them, or he used all there was of them. If he had handled the roll of duct tape at any point previously, he might want to pull a load of tape off the roll to get to a point that hadn't been touched. Use that, and dispose of the rest (think of how you pick up a roll of tape - fingerprints would be all over the inside and outside of the roll).
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    Jayelles,

    This assumes that originally there was a roll of tape and cord. Both items may have been lying around having previously been used in wrapping Xmas gifts?

    The duct tape over JonBenet's mouth appeared so suspicious Fleet White was compelled to return to the wine-cellar to take another look.

    The same reasoning applies to her underwear, was she wearing any when killed, did the BPD find a worn Wednesday pair of size-6's on her bedroom floor, or even washed out elsewhere?

    Now had there existed a roll of tape or cord, then why could JonBenet's killer not have simply wiped these items clean as was done with the flashlight?

    Similar reasoning applies to the ransom note, authored in the Ramsey house using their pad and pen.

    Then there is the missing piece of the Paintbrush Handle used to construct the garrote. Why dispose of this and leave the other parts behind?

    This lack of consistency allows speculation that the missing piece was left inside JonBenet, and that this detail was redacted from the Autopsy Report?


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    Quote Originally Posted by UKGuy
    The duct tape over JonBenet's mouth appeared so suspicious Fleet White was compelled to return to the wine-cellar to take another look.
    Wonder what looked so suspicious about the piece of tape? It was reported that there were no imprints on it, suggesting that it was staging. However, I wonder what prompted a return to the basement due to this particular item.

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    Guys, I don't know about the cord, but I'm really suspecting the tape came from JonBenet's Molly doll. If that's the case, then it's very possible that the roll of tape was used up way before Christmas 96, or may have never even been in the Ramsey house. I believe Molly was a gift from Nedra, given to JB in September 96. I don't know where they were when JB got the Molly doll, but if she wasn't at home, then the tape that could have been used to secure the string may never have been in the R house.

    The tan fibers on the tape, consistent with the doll's body, and the order of a new Molly doll right after JonBenet was killed just seem to be a little too suspicious (not to mention Pam Paugh retrieving the AG dolls from the R house in her one-woman raid), and when you add in that the tape appeared to have been used elsewhere before it was applied to JB's face, it seems possible that the tape came off the Molly doll, which was replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    Guys, I don't know about the cord, but I'm really suspecting the tape came from JonBenet's Molly doll. If that's the case, then it's very possible that the roll of tape was used up way before Christmas 96, or may have never even been in the Ramsey house. I believe Molly was a gift from Nedra, given to JB in September 96. I don't know where they were when JB got the Molly doll, but if she wasn't at home, then the tape that could have been used to secure the string may never have been in the R house.

    The tan fibers on the tape, consistent with the doll's body, and the order of a new Molly doll right after JonBenet was killed just seem to be a little too suspicious (not to mention Pam Paugh retrieving the AG dolls from the R house in her one-woman raid), and when you add in that the tape appeared to have been used elsewhere before it was applied to JB's face, it seems possible that the tape came off the Molly doll, which was replaced.
    Thats what I think too! It wasn't sticky, because it had previously used before, on the AG doll. One, exactly like it....being ordered and delivered to John's office...is just a "tad" suspicious. (You know...the Ramsey's DO remind me of the Kennedy family in some ways....they both think that they are untouchable). That took alot of cahunas (pardon the expression) ....for John to have that doll ordered and delivered to his office...IMO He probably thought that nobody would even notice. But what difference did it make....he still isn't in prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    Thats what I think too! It wasn't sticky, because it had previously used before, on the AG doll. One, exactly like it....being ordered and delivered to John's office...is just a "tad" suspicious. (You know...the Ramsey's DO remind me of the Kennedy family in some ways....they both think that they are untouchable). That took alot of cahunas (pardon the expression) ....for John to have that doll ordered and delivered to his office...IMO He probably thought that nobody would even notice. But what difference did it make....he still isn't in prison.
    Ames, tell me about John's ordering the doll, when, etc. Thanks Ames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah
    Wonder what looked so suspicious about the piece of tape? It was reported that there were no imprints on it, suggesting that it was staging. However, I wonder what prompted a return to the basement due to this particular item.
    Nehemiah,

    Probably that it did not look kosher, likely dry, with other debri on the sticky side, it may also have lacked the stickyness factor, and if he was really observant, no lip impression from JonBenet.

    Fleet White's testimony would have been considered very important here, since other than JR he is the only other person that viewed the crime-scene in its original state, although he compromised the evidence, what he saw likely changed his mind from kidnap to domestic homicide, and I would be willing to bet, what would have appeared innocent past events wrt JonBenet may have been percieved through a new sexual abuse perspective?

    Yes something about JonBenet's death caused Fleet White to question what he had just seen, on the surface it appeared as if they had just found JonBenet's corpse, the result of an intruder assault, but against orders he returned to the crime-scene to take another look. I think he knew he had been looking at a staged crime-scene, and wanted to confirm this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter
    Guys, I don't know about the cord, but I'm really suspecting the tape came from JonBenet's Molly doll. If that's the case, then it's very possible that the roll of tape was used up way before Christmas 96, or may have never even been in the Ramsey house. I believe Molly was a gift from Nedra, given to JB in September 96. I don't know where they were when JB got the Molly doll, but if she wasn't at home, then the tape that could have been used to secure the string may never have been in the R house.

    The tan fibers on the tape, consistent with the doll's body, and the order of a new Molly doll right after JonBenet was killed just seem to be a little too suspicious (not to mention Pam Paugh retrieving the AG dolls from the R house in her one-woman raid), and when you add in that the tape appeared to have been used elsewhere before it was applied to JB's face, it seems possible that the tape came off the Molly doll, which was replaced.

    Nuisanceposter,

    Yes quite likely, when you add in the return of the size-12's years later, which could have been purchased from bloomingdales at any point, then the tape being sourced from the doll makes sense, as does the AG Office order to act as a replacement?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Solace
    Ames, tell me about John's ordering the doll, when, etc. Thanks Ames.
    Hi, I will see if I can find that for you. Calling other posters...please help me out on this one. I do not have time to look for it right now...I have errands to run...but, will when I get home. Until then, maybe someone else can dig that up for you. It shouldn't be hard to find...
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    You are the best NuisancePoster and thank you also Ames.

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    NP's hotter than a stove lid.
    I'm as mad as HELL and I'm NOT gonna take it anymore!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solace
    You are the best NuisancePoster and thank you also Ames.
    Sorry that I couldn't find it for you...THANKS NUISANCEPOSTER....I feel like such a slacker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave
    NP's hotter than a stove lid.
    aaaahaha good analogy but yes she/he is. I've never heard of these dolls until now. Thanks for the links NP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    Sorry that I couldn't find it for you...THANKS NUISANCEPOSTER....I feel like such a slacker.
    You are both excellent and fast with every response.

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