Jayelles
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There is a discussion going on about this at another board. According to Patsy in DOI:-
But this does not make sense!
If Patsy had accidentally killed Jonbenet, she would IMO been absolutely distraught - hysterical. When we are under extreme stress, we perspire. If she had spent the night staging the murder to look like a failed kidnapping by a sexual predator, her clothes would have been covered in perspiration and forensic evidence.
Patsy was not to know that her clothes would not have been taken immediately for testing! In fact, I think she would have expected that they would be taken for testing. Murderers often try to get rid of their clothes. They don't continue wearing them knowing that police might take them for testing!
If Patsy had been up all night killing, stressing and staging, she would have been a physical mess - and noone has said that she looked a mess. She would likely have been crying, running her hands through her hair, wringing her hands, clutching and pulling at her clothes - all the things we do when we are under extreme stress.
IMO - either Patsy is telling the truth and that:-
a) She did not kill her daughter
b) She did not have a shower because her shower was broken and she wasn't in desperate need of one
OR the not showering and putting on the clothes from the previous day was a very clever and crucial part of the staging.
Even if Patsy killed her daughter, I believe that the fact she was wearing her previous day's clothes suggests that she certainly did not kill her daughter wearing those clothes! If she killed Jonbenet, she wore those clothes with the confident knowledge that if they were taken for forensic testing, then there would be nothing to link her to a brutal murder on them.
Now the shower - people who kill and try to hide it usually take long showers and scrub themselves thoroughly to get rid of any forensic evidence. Patsy went to the trouble of making the specifi point in DOI that she DID NOT NEED a shower - she was telling us loud and clear in DOI .... I did not need a shower - I was clean.
Patsy was not specifically asked when she LAST had a shower. She was asked in her 1997 interview if she'd had a shower on Christmas morning and she replied no that "kids don't let you". However, I note that she did NOT mention that her shower was broken when she was asked whether she'd had a shower that morning.
Patsy is also vague about showers on Christmas Day:-
It's a pity she wasn't asked about the broken shower and the timing of her last shower. It could be that she'd had a shower the previous afternoon before going to the Whites and felt that she was fresh "enough" to travel to their holiday home where she could have another shower. But it also leaves the possibility that she didn't need to shower AT THAT POINT IN TIME because she had already showered during the night!
However, none of this explains why John DID have a shower, unless he was either a) oblivious to the night's events or b) very confident that they would be unable to link him to the crime.
Later, it was noted that on the morning of 26th, Patsy was wearing the same clothes as she had been wearing at the Whites' Christmas party. For this reason, PDI theorists believe that Patsy may have been up all night murdering Jonbenet and staging it to look like an intruder!... Slowly, the normal routine for an early morning flight comes into focus. Take a shower, get dressed, get going. I swing out of bed and abruptly remember that my shower is still broken.
Don't need one this morning, I think to myself. Just put my clothes on. And of course, my makeup. I remember my mother's word's. "Never leave the house without your make-up". PLus we are going to be with Melinda's fiance Stewart, so I want to make a good impression.
But this does not make sense!
If Patsy had accidentally killed Jonbenet, she would IMO been absolutely distraught - hysterical. When we are under extreme stress, we perspire. If she had spent the night staging the murder to look like a failed kidnapping by a sexual predator, her clothes would have been covered in perspiration and forensic evidence.
Patsy was not to know that her clothes would not have been taken immediately for testing! In fact, I think she would have expected that they would be taken for testing. Murderers often try to get rid of their clothes. They don't continue wearing them knowing that police might take them for testing!
If Patsy had been up all night killing, stressing and staging, she would have been a physical mess - and noone has said that she looked a mess. She would likely have been crying, running her hands through her hair, wringing her hands, clutching and pulling at her clothes - all the things we do when we are under extreme stress.
IMO - either Patsy is telling the truth and that:-
a) She did not kill her daughter
b) She did not have a shower because her shower was broken and she wasn't in desperate need of one
OR the not showering and putting on the clothes from the previous day was a very clever and crucial part of the staging.
Even if Patsy killed her daughter, I believe that the fact she was wearing her previous day's clothes suggests that she certainly did not kill her daughter wearing those clothes! If she killed Jonbenet, she wore those clothes with the confident knowledge that if they were taken for forensic testing, then there would be nothing to link her to a brutal murder on them.
Now the shower - people who kill and try to hide it usually take long showers and scrub themselves thoroughly to get rid of any forensic evidence. Patsy went to the trouble of making the specifi point in DOI that she DID NOT NEED a shower - she was telling us loud and clear in DOI .... I did not need a shower - I was clean.
Patsy was not specifically asked when she LAST had a shower. She was asked in her 1997 interview if she'd had a shower on Christmas morning and she replied no that "kids don't let you". However, I note that she did NOT mention that her shower was broken when she was asked whether she'd had a shower that morning.
PR: Okay. Um, we got up at about 5:30, I think. I think John got up first and I got up just right behind him and he went to his bathroom and shower. I went to my bathroom. I did not shower that morning and I just put my clothes on and uh, did my hair and makeup and uh and then I started down the stairs, John was still in the bathroom and went uh, I stopped kind of briefly there in the laundry room area um, and I remember the ironing board was up I think and I fussed around with this little red jumpsuit of JonBenets cause it had, had some spots on it and I was going to remember to do something with that when I got back and uh, so I had, I had the light on in there in the laundry room area and uh, um then I started down the spiral staircase there. I came, I had come back down, Id come down the back bedroom stairs there. . .
Patsy is also vague about showers on Christmas Day:-
TT: During the early morning hours, the morning hours before the kids got there, did everybody go and get dressed I take it?
PR: At some point in the day, yeah.
TT: Okay. Uh, everybody take showers and baths and everything to get cleaned up for the day.
PR: I dont remember. Doubt if the kids did. I dont remember.
TT: Okay.
PR: Theyre not interested in baths usually.
TT: Okay. So everybody just got dressed and then kids started coming over to the house?
PR: Right.
It's a pity she wasn't asked about the broken shower and the timing of her last shower. It could be that she'd had a shower the previous afternoon before going to the Whites and felt that she was fresh "enough" to travel to their holiday home where she could have another shower. But it also leaves the possibility that she didn't need to shower AT THAT POINT IN TIME because she had already showered during the night!
However, none of this explains why John DID have a shower, unless he was either a) oblivious to the night's events or b) very confident that they would be unable to link him to the crime.