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  1. #16
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    If you go to MS and search for the Likens last name in Chapmanville, a page comes up for a woman with the initial "J". Go to her page and check out her pics. Please tell me that Johnny is NOT Papaw--the one on the couch with the two little kids.


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    I went and found the information TexasMist directed us to and it appears to me that he is still in pre-trial detention. It says bail is $0.00, so I think he is being held without bail.
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    Thread: Cold But Not Too Old Murder Case List

    This is a listing of newer but still cold cases. As with the above thread we will be adding as we go along. Most of these cases will probably have threads. If you do start a new one, please let me know so I can add the link to the spreadsheets. The spreadsheets may be accessed from the links below.

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    Missizzy - I don't have a MS account, but if you check the site TexasMist referred to, it has a picture of him you can compare it to.
    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Most interesting classic unsolved murder cases

    This thread currently has over 350 cases with a brief synopsis of each and we are still adding additional cases.

    You can access a spreadsheet that lists the cases in alphabetical order with the page & post number so that you can locate a particular case you may be interested in. It also contains links to any cases that already have a thread on WS.

    Many cases do not have a thread. Please feel free to start one in the appropriate forum if you would like to look into one. Should you start a thread on one of these cases, please let me know so that I can add the link to the spreadsheet.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:
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    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
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    =======================================

    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Cold But Not Too Old Murder Case List

    This is a listing of newer but still cold cases. As with the above thread we will be adding as we go along. Most of these cases will probably have threads. If you do start a new one, please let me know so I can add the link to the spreadsheets. The spreadsheets may be accessed from the links below.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mlNV2lSQ1dDWHc

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
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    Now I'm back to wondering if he is still in jail. While he comes up under the WV Regional Jail & Corrections Facility, he does not come up under WV Division of Corrections, which says it only lists persons under active supervision. Is there some sort of disconnect between these programs?
    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Most interesting classic unsolved murder cases

    This thread currently has over 350 cases with a brief synopsis of each and we are still adding additional cases.

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    Many cases do not have a thread. Please feel free to start one in the appropriate forum if you would like to look into one. Should you start a thread on one of these cases, please let me know so that I can add the link to the spreadsheet.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:
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    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
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    =======================================

    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Cold But Not Too Old Murder Case List

    This is a listing of newer but still cold cases. As with the above thread we will be adding as we go along. Most of these cases will probably have threads. If you do start a new one, please let me know so I can add the link to the spreadsheets. The spreadsheets may be accessed from the links below.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mlNV2lSQ1dDWHc

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FBIaHRnR1g0SEE


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    Quote Originally Posted by Belinda View Post
    Now I'm back to wondering if he is still in jail. While he comes up under the WV Regional Jail & Corrections Facility, he does not come up under WV Division of Corrections, which says it only lists persons under active supervision. Is there some sort of disconnect between these programs?
    It looks like he's being housed in a big ol' regional jail...the DoC records may only be prison.

    I found the Southwestern Regional Jail in an article that had a link to it & Likens showed up...thinking it was maybe old cached info I tried a search myself & found him.

    He didn't show up in WV's Vinelink, either.
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    Guys--I've got a question. I know of another sex abuse case with hundreds of allegations which literally "fell off the face of the earth". It's the Roseberg, OR Gallup Christian Day Care case of the late 80s. This occurred less than ten years before our case and less than 100 miles away. No one in the judicial system in our county remembers this case although many know of this judge and worked here at the time. Here's a recent email I sent to our DA:

    I've been looking into this case and not pleased with what I'm finding. I can hardly believe that I'd never heard of this case, given all the research I've done. I don't find any listing for these men on Vinelink but do find a telephone/address listing in Roseburg for them. Were they released? Did the children recant? What happened? Surely, somebody in your office must remember this case:

    This is from a 2009 article about a retiring Douglas county judge, Judge Bill Lasswell, who tried the case:

    http://www.nrtoday.com/article/20090301/NEWS/902289974


    "Certain tragic cases have left their mark on the judge.

    A story that recently came to Lasswell’s mind involved a peculiar meeting back when he was district attorney. On an autumn afternoon in his darkening office in the courthouse, two strangers asked to speak with him and tape the conversation. The pair wanted to talk to Lasswell about child witnesses. Apparently, they wanted to persuade the district attorney that children were unreliable, not to be trusted. At the time, Lasswell wasn’t sure what to make of the encounter.

    A few months later, the mystery was revealed as Lasswell’s office began to prosecute the shocking and nationally followed child sexual abuse cases against Edward and Mary Lou Gallup and their son, who ran local child care centers together.

    Lasswell, a father of three, said it was the most traumatic case he’s been involved with.

    “I don’t want to be anywhere near them ever again,” he said."

    [ETA: This is almost word for word what our judge said about our case on the day of our children's rapist's convictions]

    And this:

    http://www.endritualabuse.org/ritualabusearchive.htm

    "August 28, 1991, STATE OF OREGON v. MARY LOU GALLUP, COURT OF APPEALS OF OREGON, 816 P2d. 669, 1991 Ore. App. LEXIS 1266, Conviction Remanded // September 6, 1989, STATE OF OREGON v. EDWARD J. GALLUP, SR., 779 P.2d 169, Conviction for Sodomy Affirmed

    Overview: Appellate documents state Mary Lou Gallup sought reversal of her conviction for sexual abuse in the first degree. The Appeals Court found error in the local courts ruling that material contained in the District Attorney file was work produced, and exempt from discovery, which resulted in her conviction being vacated.

    Mary Lou Gallup operated a private kindergarten in Roseburg, Oregon, called the Gallup Christian Daycare center. Her husband, Edward J. Gallup, an ex-minister of the Nazarene church, operated a separate preschool in that same vicinity. Their son, Edward (Chip) J. Gallup, operated a preschool in Winston, Oregon.

    In 1987 defendant Ed Gallup Sr. was indicted for sexually assaulting a young boy who was a student as his preschool, and his son, Chip, was ultimately indicted on six separate charges for sexually assaulting six other preschool students. Chip Gallup was ultimately found guilty of three charges....."

    more at link



    and this:

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_gallu.htm

    "The Gallup family consists of Ed Gallup Sr., Mary Lou Gallup and son, Ed "Chip" Gallup. Jr. They are fundamentalist Christians who operated three Gallup Christian Day Care Centers in Roseburg OR. They were charged and convicted on multiple counts of improper sexual activity with children. Over 100 children disclosed stories of ritual child abuse and sexual molestation. Included were many activities found in other Satanic ritual abuse cases: the killing of animals, posing for pornographic pictures, ritual sexual abuse by robed adults....."

    and

    "All three were found guilty in separate trials. A change of venue was obtained for the fourth trial. this probably contributed to an acquittal. Mary's conviction was overturned on a technicality. Some sources say that Ed Gallup Sr. and Chip Gallup both remain in jail. Others say that Ed Gallup Sr. has been released...."

    Later developments:

    In 1992, Cavalcade Productions in Ukiah CA released a movie titled "Children at Risk: Ritual Abuse in America." It included allegations of ritual abuse of children in Roseburg OR. Mike Farrell (B.J.) of M.A.S.H. fame was the narrator.


    Do people think that no one is ever going to ask questions? What happened to the court records? Where's the paper trail? What happened to the alleged victims? I just sit here and wonder. Surely the way this case was handled MUST have informed our judge. Surely, someone knows the whole story. Why can't we get to the bottom of these stories? Wouldn't there be some sort of record of a dismissal, a recantation?

    Aren't there other parents like me who believe that their cases are actually bigger? Or "alleged" victims who did NOT get justice? And if someone were truly wrongly accused, why wouldn't there be easily located information concerning a travesty like that?


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    Texas Mist, I was so busy inserting my own little mystery here, I'm lost. Yes, I admit I was not paying attention and was working on another project and yes, I understand that detention is always an option. I'm sorry, Ma'am.

    Where's the link to the photo of this guy?


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    This is very disturbing. He had contact with over 1,800 children?? That might explain why it's taking so long to move forward...that is a lot of potential victims to track down. But seriously, 4 years later and nothing? With a confession for at least 3...that's enough to go forward with! Something is not right here...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Missizzy View Post
    Texas Mist, I was so busy inserting my own little mystery here, I'm lost. Yes, I admit I was not paying attention and was working on another project and yes, I understand that detention is always an option. I'm sorry, Ma'am.

    Where's the link to the photo of this guy?
    here's the link w/ his pic

    http://www.wvrja.com/puboffsearch/of...0777&row=adsum
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    Last edited by Belinda; 04-21-2010 at 04:16 PM.
    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Most interesting classic unsolved murder cases

    This thread currently has over 350 cases with a brief synopsis of each and we are still adding additional cases.

    You can access a spreadsheet that lists the cases in alphabetical order with the page & post number so that you can locate a particular case you may be interested in. It also contains links to any cases that already have a thread on WS.

    Many cases do not have a thread. Please feel free to start one in the appropriate forum if you would like to look into one. Should you start a thread on one of these cases, please let me know so that I can add the link to the spreadsheet.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:
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    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FBBcGVid0lmUHc
    =======================================

    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Cold But Not Too Old Murder Case List

    This is a listing of newer but still cold cases. As with the above thread we will be adding as we go along. Most of these cases will probably have threads. If you do start a new one, please let me know so I can add the link to the spreadsheets. The spreadsheets may be accessed from the links below.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mlNV2lSQ1dDWHc

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
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    The records that I found show:

    Edward Gallup, Sr.
    Sentence: 20 years
    Incarcerated: 7/20/1988
    Paroled: 7/2/2008

    Edward Gallup, Jr.
    Sentence: 10 years
    Incarcerated: 2/18/1988
    Paroled: 6/16/1996

    Mary Lou Gallup
    Sentence: 2 years
    Incarcerated: 12/5/1991
    Paroled: 9/5/1991
    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Most interesting classic unsolved murder cases

    This thread currently has over 350 cases with a brief synopsis of each and we are still adding additional cases.

    You can access a spreadsheet that lists the cases in alphabetical order with the page & post number so that you can locate a particular case you may be interested in. It also contains links to any cases that already have a thread on WS.

    Many cases do not have a thread. Please feel free to start one in the appropriate forum if you would like to look into one. Should you start a thread on one of these cases, please let me know so that I can add the link to the spreadsheet.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0


    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FBBcGVid0lmUHc
    =======================================

    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Cold But Not Too Old Murder Case List

    This is a listing of newer but still cold cases. As with the above thread we will be adding as we go along. Most of these cases will probably have threads. If you do start a new one, please let me know so I can add the link to the spreadsheets. The spreadsheets may be accessed from the links below.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mlNV2lSQ1dDWHc

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FBIaHRnR1g0SEE


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    No it's not the same guy but possibly a relative. Lots of Likens in that area.

    And Belinda, where did you find that? Our DA couldn't find anything. I kid you not!! I knew that the woman was released but couldn't find a thing on the guys. It's odd because one of the old news reports stated that the men got life. I wonder why there's nothing on the web as far as transcripts, appeals, etc.?

    Anyway, thanks. I still worry about those three. Wonder why no victims have ever spoken up? I wonder if they're still involved in the church or child care. Yikes.

    Have you seen any comments by Likens' victims?


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    I couldn't find any information on the trial or victims. The information I have is from RecordsLogin.com, which is a paid service, but I'm finding it well worth the money.
    Last edited by Belinda; 04-22-2010 at 04:43 AM.
    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Most interesting classic unsolved murder cases

    This thread currently has over 350 cases with a brief synopsis of each and we are still adding additional cases.

    You can access a spreadsheet that lists the cases in alphabetical order with the page & post number so that you can locate a particular case you may be interested in. It also contains links to any cases that already have a thread on WS.

    Many cases do not have a thread. Please feel free to start one in the appropriate forum if you would like to look into one. Should you start a thread on one of these cases, please let me know so that I can add the link to the spreadsheet.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US#gid=0


    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FBBcGVid0lmUHc
    =======================================

    Forum: Jury Room
    Thread: Cold But Not Too Old Murder Case List

    This is a listing of newer but still cold cases. As with the above thread we will be adding as we go along. Most of these cases will probably have threads. If you do start a new one, please let me know so I can add the link to the spreadsheets. The spreadsheets may be accessed from the links below.

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in alphabetical order:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mlNV2lSQ1dDWHc

    Here is the link for the spreadsheet in country order:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...FBIaHRnR1g0SEE


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  18. #29
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    Good to know. Thank you. Now I wish we could figure out why Likens is just sitting there. You'd think that the victims would be raising a ruckus. If this happened in a foster care setting, the state could be liable. I wonder if that has anything to do with the delay.

    Sure doesn't make me feel that the Bradley case is going to be a speedy one.


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