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    NC - Raleigh, WhtMale Skeletal 893UMNC, 25-45, by RR tracks, Mar'84

    DoeNetwork Case 893UMNC

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/893umnc.html



    Unidentified White Male


    • The victim was discovered on March 3, 1984 in Raleigh, Wake County, North Carolina.
    • Estimated Date of Death: March 3, 1983
    • Cause of Death: Homicide
    • Skeletal Remains



    Vital Statistics






    • Estimated age: 25 - 45 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5' 5" - 5' 9"; 130-160 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair; small to average frame. Scar, old right mastoid; prominent tibial tubuerosities (?Osgood-Schlatter disease?)
    • Dentals: Available. 8 teeth with amalgam restorations; 9 teeth missing ante-mortem.
    • Clothing: Left black canvas low-top "basketball" shoe (size 8 1/2); a pair of white socks; jockey shorts (small 30-32); red "Superman" t-shirt; pair of "H.I.S." dress blue jeans.
    • Fingerprints: Not Available

    Case History
    The victim was located in Raleigh, North Carolina on March 3, 1984.
    This gentleman's body was spotted by a railroad engerineer as his train moved slowly past the area. The body was on an embankment in a small ravine between the railroad tracks and the U.S. Federal Warehouse just off of Garner Road in Raleigh.


    NamUs UP Case 2198 https://identifyus.org/cases/2198


    Last edited by CarlK90245; 03-30-2013 at 03:13 AM. Reason: update link and add descriptive thread title Add Namus case & pics

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    Here's the DoeNet and NamUs links for this UID:

    DoeNetwork Case 893UMNC http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/893umnc.html.
    NamUs UP Case 2198 https://identifyus.org/cases/2198

    I started looking for possibles for this UID, and came up with a couple:

    Mark Skinner Clarke

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/clarke_mark.html

    His height and age are within range. He has light-brown hair (consistent to the UID). His DLC is about 3 months prior to the discovery of the remains. He was wandering around throughout the GA, SC, NC area, so Raleigh NC is very consistent. The beard makes it a little difficult to evaluate his chin and jawline, but from what I can see, His facial shape is pretty close, although his temples seem slightly narrower than the UID's.


    Alexander Edwin Shaw

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...alexander.html

    His facial shape is closer to the UID than Mark Skinner's is. The circumstances are not inconsistent, and the distance between his last known location and Raleigh is about 100 miles.

    However, He is a couple years younger than the lower age limit, and an inch taller than the upper limit.

    ETA: On second look, his jaws are much more squared.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-11-2012 at 07:38 PM.

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    Both good possibles Carl. I think Mark Skinner Clarks hairline makes it too difficult to determine of the temples are narrower or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here's the DoeNet and NamUs links for this UID:

    DoeNetwork Case 893UMNC http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/893umnc.html.
    NamUs UP Case 2198 https://identifyus.org/cases/2198

    I started looking for possibles for this UID, and came up with a couple:

    Mark Skinner Clarke

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/clarke_mark.html

    His height and age are within range. He has light-brown hair (consistent to the UID). His DLC is about 3 months prior to the discovery of the remains. He was wandering around throughout the GA, SC, NC area, so Raleigh NC is very consistent. The beard makes it a little difficult to evaluate his chin and jawline, but from what I can see, His facial shape is pretty close, although his temples seem slightly narrower than the UID's.


    Alexander Edwin Shaw

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...alexander.html

    His facial shape is closer to the UID than Mark Skinner's is. The circumstances are not inconsistent, and the distance between his last known location and Raleigh is about 100 miles.

    However, He is a couple years younger than the lower age limit, and an inch taller than the upper limit.

    ETA: On second look, his jaws are much more squared.
    Based on the recent photos where we've seen a formerly unidentified person next to his or her sketch, I doubt whether the sketch conveys the degree of precision to eliminate either of these guys on the slight differences. Clarke looks like a really good possibility based on circumstances as well.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-11-2012 at 07:38 PM.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    both Clarke and Shaw are on the rule-out list:

    Myron Alberding 1944 New York
    Steve Arrowood 1956 North Carolina
    David Bacon 1946 New York
    Steven Chait 1951 New York
    Mark Clarke 1954 North Carolina
    Clarence Dellis 1940 Louisiana
    Edward Dubbs 1927 Connecticut
    James Egan 1954 Wisconsin
    Maxwell Graham 1950 South Carolina
    Reed Jeppson 1949 Utah
    Reeves Johnson 1951 Maine
    Ryan Kemp 1951 Pennsylvania
    Ron Knutson 1955 California
    Roger Madison 1953 California
    Edward Maps 1923 Pennsylvania
    Douglas Meer 1957 Colorado
    Mark Merritt 1961 Texas
    Daniel Naylor 1968 California
    William Newman 1955 Louisiana
    Bill Neyenesch 1944 California
    Douglas Rubin 1957 New York
    James Schroeder 1960 Idaho
    Alexander Shaw 1959 North Carolina
    Claude Shelton 1934 Kentucky
    Perry Stokes 1962 Kentucky
    John Troha 1963 Michigan

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    I know California is a long way from NC but who knows.
    The spacing of the eyes look close to me and the nose. The chin appears sharp like the john doe too. What do you think?


    The Doe Network:
    Case File 1972DMCA

    Donald James Gregory
    Missing since February 1, 1983 from Banning, Riverside County, California
    Classification: Missing •Date Of Birth: April 18, 1959
    •Age at Time of Disappearance: 24 years old
    •Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'10"; 150 lbs.
    •Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; blue eyes.
    •Marks, Scars: Scar on ear, and scar on stomach.
    •AKA: Donald James Geddes Jr.
    •Dentals: Not available


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    the distance is not so much an issue as the lack of a stomach scar on the UID and the fact that Gregory is taller than the upper range of the estimate for the UID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    the distance is not so much an issue as the lack of a stomach scar on the UID ...
    since the remains were skeletal with a PM interval of about a year, we wouldn't know one way or the other regarding whether he had a stomach scar.

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    unless his bone was scarred, I'm wondering how they concluded the UID had a "right mastoid scar"?

    I read that to mean he had flesh still. keep in mind we've seen UID which were supposedly skeletal remains yet they got tattoos and fingerprints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here's the DoeNet and NamUs links for this UID:

    DoeNetwork Case 893UMNC http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/893umnc.html.
    NamUs UP Case 2198 https://identifyus.org/cases/2198

    I started looking for possibles for this UID, and came up with a couple:

    Mark Skinner Clarke

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/clarke_mark.html

    His height and age are within range. He has light-brown hair (consistent to the UID). His DLC is about 3 months prior to the discovery of the remains. He was wandering around throughout the GA, SC, NC area, so Raleigh NC is very consistent. The beard makes it a little difficult to evaluate his chin and jawline, but from what I can see, His facial shape is pretty close, although his temples seem slightly narrower than the UID's.


    Alexander Edwin Shaw

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...alexander.html

    His facial shape is closer to the UID than Mark Skinner's is. The circumstances are not inconsistent, and the distance between his last known location and Raleigh is about 100 miles.

    However, He is a couple years younger than the lower age limit, and an inch taller than the upper limit.

    ETA: On second look, his jaws are much more squared.


    Whoa! Edwin Shaw looks like a DEAD RINGER for this guy! I can't believe how much it looks like him. And Shaw was ruled out? Could they have made a mistake in excluding him? I don't mean to doubt their skills but humans make mistakes all the time. It happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    unless his bone was scarred, I'm wondering how they concluded the UID had a "right mastoid scar"?

    I read that to mean he had flesh still. keep in mind we've seen UID which were supposedly skeletal remains yet they got tattoos and fingerprints.
    The mastoid is the part of the skull below the ear, more or less, so I suspect they do mean the bone was scarred. HealthLine describes mastoidectomy: http://www.healthline.com/health/mastoidectomy

    So it might indicate somebody who had hearing problems in life.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Exclusions
    The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
    First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
    Myron Alberding 1944 New York
    Steve Arrowood 1956 North Carolina
    David Bacon 1946 New York
    Gerald Bradshaw 1960 Virginia
    Steven Chait 1951 New York
    Mark Clarke 1954 North Carolina
    Kyle Clinkscales 1953 Georgia
    Clarence Dellis 1940 Louisiana
    Edward Dubbs 1927 Connecticut
    James Egan 1954 Wisconsin
    Maxwell Graham 1950 South Carolina
    Reed Jeppson 1949 Utah
    Reeves Johnson 1951 Maine
    Ryan Kemp 1951 Pennsylvania
    Christopher King 1950 California
    Ron Knutson 1955 California
    Randall Leach 1960 Idaho
    Roger Madison 1953 California
    Edward Maps 1923 Pennsylvania
    Harold Mays 1959 North Carolina
    Douglas Meer 1957 Colorado
    Mark Merritt 1961 Texas
    Daniel Naylor 1968 California
    William Newman 1955 Louisiana
    Bill Neyenesch 1944 California
    Douglas Rubin 1957 New York
    Frank Santmyer, Jr. 1952 Maryland
    James Schroeder 1960 Idaho
    Randolph Sedlack 1960 Virginia
    Alexander Shaw 1959 North Carolina
    Claude Shelton 1934 Kentucky
    Perry Stokes 1962 Kentucky
    John Troha 1963 Michigan
    Paul Vogen 1953 Arizona

    https://identifyus.org/cases/2198

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    I can't seem to post a link, but what about Frank Lamont Fox, missing from New York, in January of 83. timing is dead on, age is close, and height is close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokypuppy67 View Post
    Whoa! Edwin Shaw looks like a DEAD RINGER for this guy!
    I thought exactly the same thing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie99 View Post
    I can't seem to post a link, but what about Frank Lamont Fox, missing from New York, in January of 83. timing is dead on, age is close, and height is close.
    Eddie99 Frank seems plausible. Maybe you should submit as dentals are available for Frank and UID

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8030/6/

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