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    ATTENTION: IDI's...please explain.....

    Even when JonBenet's body was found...John simply yelled..."I found her"...and Fleet yelled to "call an ambulance"....STILL....Patsy's butt sat on the couch, not budging an inch. If it were me, and my husband had yelled "I FOUND her!"....and Fleet yelled to call an ambulance....here is MY thoughts and actions. "OH MY GOSH.....THANK you God.....she has been found IN THE HOUSE....she must be injured, since Fleet said to call an ambulance, and since she is still IN THE HOUSE. I have to get to her her...and see if I can help!!! Everybody...get out of my way...because I am COMING through...I have to help my baby". Patsy's reaction: She still stayed seated....not budging an inch....her friends had to PULL her down the hallway. What a strange reaction for someone that SUPPOSEDLY didn't know if her child was alive and injured...or dead. People would have been trying to HOLD ME BACK...because I would have been knocking people down to get to my MAYBE injured child....not having to PULL me down the hallway. My thoughts are that Patsy KNEW that JB was dead.....HOW did she know, you ask? Because, she is the one that killed her...IMO She killed "THAT child". I want to know the thoughts of the IDI's....how do you explain Patsy's behavior?
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    Not an IDI, but I was just chiming in to say that that *IS* weird and I never thought about it before.

    I lost one of my kids in the house for a while. She had snuck into my closet and fallen asleep under some sleeping bags. I looked and looked for her, and completely freaked out. I called 911, and they had me look around the neighbor's houses for her while they sent a car over.

    The whole ordeal took about an hour from when I realized she was gone to when I found her, and I NEVER stopped looking the whole time. Even though I knew I'd already looked everywhere, I just kept looking again. As stupid as it was, I even got the baby out of the crib to see if she was somehow in there. I couldn't have just sat on the couch, I was out of my head!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hipmamajen
    Not an IDI, but I was just chiming in to say that that *IS* weird and I never thought about it before.

    I lost one of my kids in the house for a while. She had snuck into my closet and fallen asleep under some sleeping bags. I looked and looked for her, and completely freaked out. I called 911, and they had me look around the neighbor's houses for her while they sent a car over.

    The whole ordeal took about an hour from when I realized she was gone to when I found her, and I NEVER stopped looking the whole time. Even though I knew I'd already looked everywhere, I just kept looking again. As stupid as it was, I even got the baby out of the crib to see if she was somehow in there. I couldn't have just sat on the couch, I was out of my head!
    Yes and that would be a totally normal reaction....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    Even when JonBenet's body was found...John simply yelled..."I found her"...and Fleet yelled to "call an ambulance"....STILL....Patsy's butt sat on the couch, not budging an inch. If it were me, and my husband had yelled "I FOUND her!"....and Fleet yelled to call an ambulance....here is MY thoughts and actions. "OH MY GOSH.....THANK you God.....she has been found IN THE HOUSE....she must be injured, since Fleet said to call an ambulance, and since she is still IN THE HOUSE. I have to get to her her...and see if I can help!!! Everybody...get out of my way...because I am COMING through...I have to help my baby". Patsy's reaction: She still stayed seated....not budging an inch....her friends had to PULL her down the hallway. What a strange reaction for someone that SUPPOSEDLY didn't know if her child was alive and injured...or dead. People would have been trying to HOLD ME BACK...because I would have been knocking people down to get to my MAYBE injured child....not having to PULL me down the hallway. My thoughts are that Patsy KNEW that JB was dead.....HOW did she know, you ask? Because, she is the one that killed her...IMO She killed "THAT child". I want to know the thoughts of the IDI's....how do you explain Patsy's behavior?

    Ames,

    I'm not an IDI theorist either, but that was a very good post, and I fully agree with it except for your conclusion -- it doesn't prove Patsy did it anymore than anyone else did it who was in the house that night. Her sitting on the sofa and not running to see if JonBenet was alive or dead after being "found" strongly suggests she knew JonBenet was dead, and was involved deeply in the coverup, but that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    Ames,

    I'm not an IDI theorist either, but that was a very good post, and I fully agree with it except for your conclusion -- it doesn't prove Patsy did it anymore than anyone else did it who was in the house that night. Her sitting on the sofa and not running to see if JonBenet was alive or dead after being "found" strongly suggests she knew JonBenet was dead, and was involved deeply in the coverup, but that's all.

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    Yes, that's right BC.

    It is overwhelmingly obvious that the Ramsey's had something to do with their daughter's death.

    One of them killed her, and more than likely accidently.

    It drives me crazy not knowing which one did what.

    I tend to think it was PR, in a rage, but that doesn't explain to me the sexual abuse, yes it could have been corporal punishment but I just don't know...

    The most obvious is that they were covering for their son, but I still don't discount PR happening upon JR abusing JBR and PR losing it and JBR somehow winding up dead.

    There is no question in my mind that a Ramsey is responsible for JBRs death.

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    FS here. Mostly lurk but had to respond to this. In extremely stressful situations people react differently. They can either fight, flee or freeze. Simply, Patsy froze and it was no indication of guilt or non-guilt. She was afraid, fear overtook her and her body simply shut down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narlacat
    Yes, that's right BC.

    It is overwhelmingly obvious that the Ramsey's had something to do with their daughter's death.

    One of them killed her, and more than likely accidently.

    It drives me crazy not knowing which one did what.

    I tend to think it was PR, in a rage, but that doesn't explain to me the sexual abuse, yes it could have been corporal punishment but I just don't know...

    The most obvious is that they were covering for their son, but I still don't discount PR happening upon JR abusing JBR and PR losing it and JBR somehow winding up dead.

    There is no question in my mind that a Ramsey is responsible for JBRs death.
    When speaking with a person in a postion to know more than you or me. I was told why do you presume it was only one.. corporal punishement or sexual abuse. What is it about one that would cancel out the other.......great question

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    Quote Originally Posted by hipmamajen
    Not an IDI, but I was just chiming in to say that that *IS* weird and I never thought about it before.

    I lost one of my kids in the house for a while. She had snuck into my closet and fallen asleep under some sleeping bags. I looked and looked for her, and completely freaked out. I called 911, and they had me look around the neighbor's houses for her while they sent a car over.

    The whole ordeal took about an hour from when I realized she was gone to when I found her, and I NEVER stopped looking the whole time. Even though I knew I'd already looked everywhere, I just kept looking again. As stupid as it was, I even got the baby out of the crib to see if she was somehow in there. I couldn't have just sat on the couch, I was out of my head!
    Yep, one of MY children...who was four at the time..(last year) sneaked out of the house, and we couldn't find her anywhere. I did the same thing that you did with the crib, only I was looking IN the cabinets in the kitchen for her, and in some drawers (she was FOUR...like she would have fit in a drawer...but I was in a panic). We were frantic...and walking up and down the sidewalks, screaming her name, and knocking on doors. We finally found her....safe...but, in some lady's (that we didn't know) house down the street. How many doors did the Ramsey's knock on that night?? Why did Patsy sit on the couch looking at photos of JB....(as if she "knew" that JB was already dead....why would you look at photos of a MISSING child? That would be pretty ridiculous)...and was not searching the house for her....turning it upside down??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Credence
    FS here. Mostly lurk but had to respond to this. In extremely stressful situations people react differently. They can either fight, flee or freeze. Simply, Patsy froze and it was no indication of guilt or non-guilt. She was afraid, fear overtook her and her body simply shut down.
    I can appreciate your point here...but Patsy must have not been TOO stressed out. She sat on the couch and looked at photos of JB with her friends, while JB was "missing". Why would a parent look at photos of their MISSING child....when they all could be out scouring the yard (did they even look outside for JB?)....knocking on doors...turning the house upside down. Shoot...why should Patsy get up from the couch and search the house with her friends....WHEN she could sit in the same spot, not move a muscle...and look at photos of her "MISSING" daughter? Now THAT really sounds productive...now doesn't it? I just don't buy your theory that Patsy was in a stressful situation and reacted differently. Even though you are a FS...explaining away the Ramsey's actions....by saying..."well, everyone reacts differently"....is something that IDI's do all the time. I bet that if the case ever went to court...and it came out that John or Patsy killed their daughter in a rage...alot of people would defend them, by saying..."Well, you know...now I personally wouldn't have done it that way, and killed my child...BUT...everyone reacts differently to stressful situations". I am not saying that YOU would say that...but, there are some people that would defend the Ramsey's NO MATTER WHAT. I don't care if they had admitted their guilt....some people out there would have made excuses for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares
    Yes and that would be a totally normal reaction....
    Agreed...and what Patsy did was NOT normal...I don't care what anybody says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    I can appreciate your point here...but Patsy must have not been TOO stressed out. She sat on the couch and looked at photos of JB with her friends, while JB was "missing". Why would a parent look at photos of their MISSING child....when they all could be out scouring the yard (did they even look outside for JB?)....knocking on doors...turning the house upside down. Shoot...why should Patsy get up from the couch and search the house with her friends....WHEN she could sit in the same spot, not move a muscle...and look at photos of her "MISSING" daughter? Now THAT really sounds productive...now doesn't it? I just don't buy your theory that Patsy was in a stressful situation and reacted differently. Even though you are a FS...explaining away the Ramsey's actions....by saying..."well, everyone reacts differently"....is something that IDI's do all the time. I bet that if the case ever went to court...and it came out that John or Patsy killed their daughter in a rage...alot of people would defend them, by saying..."Well, you know...now I personally wouldn't have done it that way, and killed my child...BUT...everyone reacts differently to stressful situations". I am not saying that YOU would say that...but, there are some people that would defend the Ramsey's NO MATTER WHAT. I don't care if they had admitted their guilt....some people out there would have made excuses for them.
    Wow tough crowd here. LOL No I'm not making excuses just calling it as I see it. Thank goodness I have never had to experience the death of a child. I have no idea how I would react and neither does anyone else unless they've walked in her shoes. Fact: Although situations can be similar; people DO react differently. I don't know if Patsy killer JonBenet or not; but I won't judge her based on what I perceive to be "proper behavior"; but hey that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    How many doors did the Ramsey's knock on that night?? Why did Patsy sit on the couch looking at photos of JB....(as if she "knew" that JB was already dead....why would you look at photos of a MISSING child? That would be pretty ridiculous)...and was not searching the house for her....turning it upside down??
    Right on,they would have been ripping that house apart,not to mention the entire yard and neighborhood,esp since they'd obv. let LE know,in spite of being told they were being 'monitored'.
    Looking at pictures is something ppl do after a death,as well as I don't think PR would have let herself be sedated if JB was truly missing..she would have wanted to have all the energy she could have so she could help out.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    I can appreciate your point here...but Patsy must have not been TOO stressed out. She sat on the couch and looked at photos of JB with her friends, while JB was "missing". Why would a parent look at photos of their MISSING child....when they all could be out scouring the yard (did they even look outside for JB?)....knocking on doors...turning the house upside down. Shoot...why should Patsy get up from the couch and search the house with her friends....WHEN she could sit in the same spot, not move a muscle...and look at photos of her "MISSING" daughter? Now THAT really sounds productive...now doesn't it? I just don't buy your theory that Patsy was in a stressful situation and reacted differently. Even though you are a FS...explaining away the Ramsey's actions....by saying..."well, everyone reacts differently"....is something that IDI's do all the time. I bet that if the case ever went to court...and it came out that John or Patsy killed their daughter in a rage...alot of people would defend them, by saying..."Well, you know...now I personally wouldn't have done it that way, and killed my child...BUT...everyone reacts differently to stressful situations". I am not saying that YOU would say that...but, there are some people that would defend the Ramsey's NO MATTER WHAT. I don't care if they had admitted their guilt....some people out there would have made excuses for them.
    Bear in mind that there was a ransom note which claimed that a foreign fction had the "missing" child. Now giving the Ramseys the benefit of the doubt.... if they thought that some unknown people were holding their chold - goodness knows where - what would be the point of searching round and about for her? I think if you were innocent and therefore believed in the note's authenticity, you wouldn't be searching your neighbourhood. Especially not if the kidnappers had threatened to behead your child.

    Admittedly, I doubt I would have called all my friends around if the kidnappers said they were monitoring us and would behead our child if we spoke to a stray dog.... But then again, the Ramseys have done a lot of odd things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames
    but, there are some people that would defend the Ramsey's NO MATTER WHAT. I don't care if they had admitted their guilt....some people out there would have made excuses for them.
    Just as there are people that would declare the Ramseys' guilty NO MATTER WHAT. Goes both ways, that can't be denied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares
    When speaking with a person in a postion to know more than you or me. I was told why do you presume it was only one.. corporal punishement or sexual abuse. What is it about one that would cancel out the other.......great question
    Well, for a little girl seemingly so lucky, could she have been that unlucky?

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