The Attorney General want to the lengths that Ontario(where she lived and committed her crimes) be notified if she ever decided to "visit" her family.
I would think that she would want to stay the heck out of this province.
Since she was "afraid" to come back to Ontario, that she know spoke French well, and Quebec was not as well informed about her crimes, she decided to stay in Quebec, where she would be "somewhat welcomed"
But after her initial realize, there were pictures of her snacking, having a coffee, she has aged and changed her hair and colour
Karla is no victim. Not in any way shape or form. Who knows where she lives. As long as she is not in Ontario.
She is just one messed up person. Oh by the way, do you know who "she was having" a relationship with in prison also. A vicious, convicted killer who "brutally" murdered his girlfriend.
This is the type of "guy" that Karla has a relationship with and dates.
Karla knew that Paul was the Scarborough Rapist, she got "off" on it, wanted all of the details from Paul, he continued to rape even when they were dating and engaged. Only when they moved to St. Catherine's(a small city) did the rapes stop. So yes, Karla will never be well.
Her whole family is messed up....along with Paul's.
This case never ceases to shock and disturb me.
In 1995 I moved to Nashville from CA and a girlfriend there who was also from CA to Nashville (we were married to musicians) gave me some books to read. One of them was on this case.
It must have been that book that is no longer in print or something - IT WAS GRAPHIC and horribly disturbing, My God. It went into great detail about exactly what was on those tapes - I had nightmares.
Just now I went to look at the pictures on that site and I literally jerked back from the monitor when I saw the picture that was discovered in Tammy's casket - put there by Paul and Karla. It is the most disgusting, evil, horrible thing I've seen. Just the looks on their faces. I said out loud," bless your soul Tammy. Maybe you can rest in peace now." Horrible.
Does anyone know what the content of the death letter was?
there is a picture of the letter in "karla: a pact with the devil" but it's not readable. i've read 4-5 books on this case and i think it was printed in one of them but it's not one i have here. google has allowed me to find one snippit so far:
"If I've caused you any harm or pain, Tammy, please forgive me. I only wanted the best for you and for you to be happy and to experience the joys of this world".
"Please forgive me, Tammy. I'll love you from now until eternity and I'm looking forward to seeing you again once I die."
incidentally, to add further insult/injustice, the letter was written on paul and karla's wedding stationary. wow, eh?
Ugh. I found it on that site. It is horrible.
God, there is no doubt with all the pathetic letters and notes KH sent to that devil PB, she was very disturbed when she met him, ripe for the picking. She was so delusional about him, imo. I'm no Dr. but geez, you have to be a messed up girl to want so badly to be with a guy like that. It's crazy.
I wish I could erase everything I know about this case from my mind now.
I need one of those Men In Black devices, fast.
you found a copy of the death letter online? can u post it for anyone who might want to read it now that it's being discussed? TIA
i'm not convinced KH was disturbed when she met PB... needy maybe, but not disturbed. more about this later.
MIB devices? LOL... i'm sure we all could use one to forget about something or other.
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Here is what the letter said written on their wedding stationary (they were still planning the wedding):
December 27, 1990
My dearest little sister, words cannot express the deepest sorrow and regret that I now feel. You gave me your love and trusted me like your big brother. We shared a lot of good times and you touched my heart in a way that no one ever could. I love you Tammy, I always have and will. I miss you so much and my life will never be the same now that you've gone. If I ever caused you any harm or pain, Tammy, please forgive me. I only wanted the best for you. Just for you to be happy and to experience the joys of the world. Please forgive me, Tammy. I'll love you from now till eternity and I'm looking forward to seeing you again once I die.
Your brother, Paul.
I have so much to say to you that words cannot express. I've talked to you every night and you know how I feel about everything. I won't write everything I want to say, you know it already. I know the card shouldn't be used yet, but I wanted to give you the thoughts it holds to carry with you. I love you deeply and will hold you in my heart forever.
All my love,
Your big sister, Karla
P.S. I love and miss you with all of my heart. I hope you're happy and loved and in Gods hands. I love you so much little sister and can't wait to see you again.
All my love to you, Kar.
I too read a horrid book on the case and a few others. This letter is truly disturbing.
Thanks for posting it ziggy. I think I did read it once. They both give me the chills when I think of them too. Would love to erase the books from my mind also.
I think it's really easy for us to say that she was not a victim because of what we have seen of her, but I truly cannot say that because I don't know what she went through. I was with someone at one time who wanted to be like this, who had fantasies of harming people. It took all I had to get out of that situation and save myself before I became party to something so evil I could never return.
Gee I don't know. I think she was disturbed and it was the perfect storm when they hooked up.
KH has the severe problem of being invested in her fantasy instead of her reality. She's a sociopath. I don't think she ever felt remorse or anything for the victims including her sister. How could anyone with a conscience act the way she did post TH's death at her hands?
The only things that ever mattered were what she wanted, regardless. She wanted P because of her fantasy of him, not who he really was. She wanted her wedding even after her sister's death and her parents grief. She would do anything to perpetuate her fantasy and lie that she had a perfect husband and life. Sound familiar?
I don't know who her babydaddy is but i think i read he's a porn actor? She has not changed, nor will she. The dead eyed non-human is still there.
As a Canadian, your views on the H/B case fascinate me. Most Canadians followed the story closely as it played out but didn't read the book. The book didn't sell well in Canada (at least not in the area where I live) and many businesses refused to carry it. I work in a large library; it was made part of our collection but the book kept getting stolen. I'm convinced a grassroots group formed to protect the victims families and these individuals destroyed as many copies as they could--IMHO. It's just a theory and maybe I'm wrong.
I think the book was probably easier to purchase in the USA.
I had thought Karla was in Quebec. I hadn't heard differently. A couple of years ago, curious as to her whereabouts, I googled her name and one of the pages I inadvertently opened was of the disgusting film the courts promised would never be made public. I don't know if it was the entire bonafide video that was shown to a select group in a court room many years ago because I went into a terrible state of shock; I watched only long enough to confirm what my eyes would not believe. But it did appear to be of the sexual abuse that was later written about.
I've never googled her name since but if I see anything in our media I'll be sure to post up here.
That's one of the reasons we are praying so hard for little Tori. We really want justice to be served for this little girl. Many Canadians are still still raw form the H/B horror.
Sociopaths and murderers are not the same things. I've known a couple of CEOs in my time who were definitely sociopaths and had found a "socially acceptable" way of channeling their desires.
That being said, I still don't think she's a danger to anyone anymore.
KH was a sociopath who condoned and assisted in murder. You can't get away from that one.
What do you mean she is not a danger? Really? You don't think she is still capable of luring young women for sex if her new baby daddy porn guy wants her to? Drugging people for sex? I mean, heck, it's a lot easier to obain a Roofie these days than having to steal second-rate sedatives.
The problem is, you don't know. The only reason she is free is because of the deal, not because she wasn't JUST as guilty as PB.
Have you read the play by play of just exactly what she was involved with when it came to the death of those three young girls...THREE!
In prison it has been said that her sexual deviancy continued.
It's a tragedy that she is not still in prison.
By the way- DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS?
Paul changed his name to Teale some time back. I read that Karla is now going by Karla Teale...
What? For real? They both changed their last name to Teale? Ok, you're right, I'm sure she's JUST fine.
On the TV show "Friends" one of the characters put a book in the freezer because it disturbed them so much. It was funny on the show, but when I read "Deadly Innocence" I literally DID put it in the freezer because it terrified me. It stayed behind the boxes in the freezer for more than a year before I threw it out. The picture of Karla with the two black eyes... lord, it still makes me shiver to think of it. I've read a ton of true crime books, but that one hit me way harder than any other I've ever read. The more details I hear, the more horrifying it is.
Yes, I read several books on Bernardo and Homolka (including Invisible Darkness) and I don't think she is danger anymore. I am pretty sure they changed their name to Teale or contemplated it when they were still together, not when she got out of jail. Have you ever been in a situation where someone wanted you to do things like this? Where someone had deviant fantasies they wanted you to participate in? I have. I said no. I was involved with someone who was very abusive to me and in addition, wanted to kidnap people and torture, rape and kill them. I was just saying it's easy for someone who has never been in a situation like this to say that Karla was not abused at all. I can't say for certain because I am looking at it through the eyes of someone who was somehow able to get away.
I could have very much ended up like her. To this day, I don't know why I was able to get out. Should she have been kept in jail? Yep, forever.
Karla is a socipath & child rapist & murderer.She is just as guilty as Paul.
I have read everything I could about this case & kept up with it & have gotten to the point that I dont care how or why Karla is a monster ,it doesnt matter,she simply "is".
I have no doubt Paul treated her like chit & beat her but that does not excuse ANY of her actions!!
She showed who she is with her prison behavior (engaging in s & m & simulated rape "games"with her female love WHILE IN PRISON!) & her continued attitude of "im a victim!"and showing NO remorse for ANY of her victims lest of all her own sister!!!!!
Although the videos surfacing didnt get her deal thrown out(which they shouldve)they showed the world what evil lurks behind her dead eyes(ever notice that?even in pre-Paul pics she just looks "dead" in her eyes.Laura Prepon did a terrifyingly amazing job of portraying that in the "Karla"film) & because we know WHO & WHAT she really is she will NEVER have a truly 'normal'life & will always been looking over her shoulder.......I try to find SOME solace in that..............
The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
Would someone answer a question for me? How is Karla's behavior in prison known to the public? Did the author of one of the books interview her directly? I have a decent amount of knowledge of this case but haven't read any of the books that are mentioned (I would like to though, as horrifying as they sound). I'm just curious how we know what her behavior continues to be.
Oh & the gay 'porn star'husband rumor is just that a rumor started by an unstable wanna-be trying to promote himself....lovely aint it!
A black-french canadian man named Thierry Bordelais (brother of Karla's Attorney,Sylvia Bordelais)has claimed to have married her (although no marriage certificate has been found ) Karla supposedly wears a wedding ring which could support that claim.He is suppposedly the father of her supposed baby(although no birth certificate has been found or any evidence of said child other than a comment by her father,Karel Holmolka,and grainy pictures of a woman with a baby carrier that is said to be Karla).
Karla is,by all accounts,living outside Montreal in relative hiding.
I think even without a legal name change this would be easy for her to do as she looks so different from the blonde,"Karly Kurls" we all know (& despise).She is alot heavier & has a very "hard" look as shes aged.She reportedly has shorter & darker hair now.She MAY also have had plastic surgery as well.
She also is now fluent in French (she learned in prison with the intention of moving to Montreal post release) so she could easily blend in & pass for a Quebec native.
I have my personal suspicions that the Canadian Government (for a few reasons)may have helped Karla "hide in plain sight"after her initial release & the outrage & drama that occured.Although not offering her the extreme assistance the British Government did to James Bulger's murders I believe they did (finally)allow a name change (& kept it secret) & may have assisted her financially and/or with plastic surgery (in the last known confirmed picture of Karla her nose looks totally different! You would not recognize her if she sat down next to you........well as long as she hides her dead eyes with sunglasses! )which is how shes still in the country ,undetected.That seems to me to be the only explanation as to why no one(& people are looking!) has found her yet.
The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
I have the name of the ex-girlfriend's book & will post it later (Im on my way out the door.........)it features photos & letters with/from Karla.
So much has changed here on W/S since I was a regular poster that Im not sure what I can link so until Im 100% I urge you to Google............theres a few sites with just a wealth of info/pics & discussions thats easy to get caught up in the madness all over again.............
EDITED TO ADD:The book by the Prison g/f(pics of her & Karla are found in this thread)is:
"A L'Ombre De Karla" ( In the Shadow of Karla) by Lynda Veronneau.Google her to find CTV links of interviews...........VERY interesting as Lynda actually still says flattering things about Karla & ,imo,is VERY credible.Im trying to get this book btw.......will happy share details once I do(if I can read it!!! LOL)
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The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
VE-thank you so much for answering my question. I will google when I have the chance.
You are spot on with your assessment. I wouldn't be surprised if she was helped by the Government, but I also believe our spy service, CSIS, will track her for the rest of her life.
The case shattered the public's faith in the justice system. I need to refresh my memory on some of the details as this was back in 1993, but I still remember the reaction to those horrific taped videos shown in the courtroom to a select few-and a select few journalists. Tapes so vile and showing Karla's very willing participation that even the most hardy veteran journalist wrote articles about how they could not de-stress, could not sleep and lost their entire weekend of downtime with their families because of the shock of the vile, visual images (I seem to remember, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, these retrieved films, previously illegally hidden by one of the lawyers, were shown at the end of a week in a closed courtroom and were to have been sealed forever).
That case is like a wound on the collective Canadian consciousness that never healed properly and the Stafford case, God bless the dear child, has opened it up again.
But, it's premature and wrong-headed of me to presume too much with the TS case so far. We don't even know the motive yet so I will try not to get ahead of myself. I'm still retaining some hope with this case even to the point that 1% of my mind refuses to believe little Tori is deceased.
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Slightly off topic, but I read a few weeks ago that Karla's mom has put the family home on the market due to her husband's illness. There was a link and picture on the website.
The saints are the sinners who keep trying...