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    TX - Joseph Bennard Nichols facing execution in '80 murder of Claude Shaffer

    "To be frank, we are accusing the State of having deliberately manipulated the justice system in order to get a second death sentence," reads Gunter's petition. "Executing Nichols would in effect condone" that manipulation, he continued. "When does it end?

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    "That is all there is to it. It is scientific. It is consistent. It is complete. It is final, and it is in evidence," they argued evidence they offered again during Nichols' first trial. At Nichols' second trial, however, prosecutors abandoned all that evidence and argued that Nichols was the shooter; this strategy was possible only because the state continued to conceal eyewitness Ishman from the defense, argues Gunter. Instead, prosecutors offered only the testimony of another deli employee, Cindy Johnson, who claimed Nichols fired the fatal shot. (According to Ishman, Gunter later discovered, there was no way Johnson could've seen anything because she hid in the bathroom once the robbery began.) By hiding Ishman, the prosecution was able to convince jurors Nichols was the shooter: "And I'll tell you that it was [Nichols'] hand that did the killing," declared the prosecutor. "How do you know that? [Johnson] saw it. She told you."

    From a March 1st article. [execution is still set]

    http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrob...ory?oid=451599


    Update: Appeal denied; Nichols executed.
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    Finally, people are waking up to the fact that they know absolutely nothing about the death penalty they support so blindly.

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    String "em up! In China they have over 2000 executions a year--That's how many we should have--and our executions are way too easy--Murderers all should be hanged,and very slowly so they suffocate to death just like what happened to the Nazis at Nuremberg---and child-rapist killers like Couey who BURIED ALIVE that beautiful young innocent girl, kilers like him need to be tortured to death--

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Hamilton
    String "em up! In China they have over 2000 executions a year--That's how many we should have--and our executions are way too easy--Murderers all should be hanged,and very slowly so they suffocate to death just like what happened to the Nazis at Nuremberg---and child-rapist killers like Couey who BURIED ALIVE that beautiful young innocent girl, kilers like him need to be tortured to death--
    Nobody should ever face the death penalty because a prosecutor has hidden evidence which would exonerate them. Nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Hamilton
    String "em up! In China they have over 2000 executions a year--That's how many we should have--and our executions are way too easy--Murderers all should be hanged,and very slowly so they suffocate to death just like what happened to the Nazis at Nuremberg---and child-rapist killers like Couey who BURIED ALIVE that beautiful young innocent girl, kilers like him need to be tortured to death--

    I believe that if a person murders another person and that DNA backs it up...if there is no doubt at all...they should get the death penalty and it shouldn't take 20 years of appeals to get the deed done. It makes me sick to hear these people on death row whinning and moaning about not wanting to be put to death when they have taken the lives of others. You can bet most of the people that they murdered begged for their lives and they weren't given appeals or anything else.

    Lethal injection is to darn easy for someone who murdered another person. What is inhumane about being given a shot and being put to sleep. We know the horror that the victims of these killers suffered before they died and yet these killers think lethal injection is to PAINFUL. Give me a break. Maybe if we got tougher on these horrible crimes some people might think twice before they took the life of another. Something has to change in the United States.
    Maybe we should take a page from some of the other countries and we wouldn't have the crime that we do. Instead, in the US the criminal has all of the rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgeaux
    Nobody should ever face the death penalty because a prosecutor has hidden evidence which would exonerate them. Nobody.
    Of course not. Unfortunately, the reality is that both sides want to win. A defense attorney has the same motivation to let a guilty man go free as the prosecutor does to convict an innocent one. I envy neither position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgeaux
    Nobody should ever face the death penalty because a prosecutor has hidden evidence which would exonerate them. Nobody.

    I totally agree. There are dirty Pros's just like there are dirty attornies and LE.
    Thank God there are more honest ones then dirty but it does still happen and no one should lose their life for something that they didn't do. I don't think that happens to often though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbisangel
    I totally agree. There are dirty Pros's just like there are dirty attornies and LE.
    Thank God there are more honest ones then dirty but it does still happen and no one should lose their life for something that they didn't do. I don't think that happens to often though.
    You don't want to think it happens often, but since 1973, ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THREE guys were released after being proven innocent - and those were the ones on death row, not including the guys who are serving life without parole, life straight up, or consecutive life sentences but are innocent. This does not even include those on death row who are innocent but have no way to prove it.

    I hope I am never anywhere a crime is committed. I have zero faith in this system that I will be innocent until proven guilty.

    I don't think it's dirty prosecutors or dirty attornies doing it. I think it's the nature of how the system is set up that both sides want to win - and just like any game, people will do what it takes to win. The defense will let criminals go if they can win, and the prosecutors will prosecute innocent people to win - it's just how it's set up, not that the people are dirty or bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlitchWizard
    You don't want to think it happens often, but since 1973, ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THREE guys were released after being proven innocent - and those were the ones on death row, not including the guys who are serving life without parole, life straight up, or consecutive life sentences but are innocent. This does not even include those on death row who are innocent but have no way to prove it.

    I hope I am never anywhere a crime is committed. I have zero faith in this system that I will be innocent until proven guilty.

    I don't think it's dirty prosecutors or dirty attornies doing it. I think it's the nature of how the system is set up that both sides want to win - and just like any game, people will do what it takes to win. The defense will let criminals go if they can win, and the prosecutors will prosecute innocent people to win - it's just how it's set up, not that the people are dirty or bad.
    Remember. you are just referencing death row prisoners that were lucky enough to have found something that either cleared them or resulted in a new trial and a not guilty verdict.

    Prosecutors do not wear white hats. And in some states, such as: NC, TX, AL, AR, CA and IL, the withholding of evidence in murder cases is considered sport.
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    Wudge, perhaps we should encourage the media to give us the defense's whole story first. We might be able to do a better job of ferreting out the truth, if it was presented that way. So often we hear very little of the defense, before we have already been convinced, of guilt, by the media. This is perhaps one of the blessings of the internet; within a short period of time, the defense may also be able to get their story out there to counter the media spin. It should be evolving in that direction, with politics leading the charge. Lots of great factual material that pops up on the internet, counteracting the media spin, in the political arena.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzm1
    Wudge, perhaps we should encourage the media to give us the defense's whole story first. We might be able to do a better job of ferreting out the truth, if it was presented that way. So often we hear very little of the defense, before we have already been convinced, of guilt, by the media. This is perhaps one of the blessings of the internet; within a short period of time, the defense may also be able to get their story out there to counter the media spin. It should be evolving in that direction, with politics leading the charge. Lots of great factual material that pops up on the internet, counteracting the media spin, in the political arena.

    Buzz, LE and the D.A. will always have the biggest megaphones, and the internet is a nuclear amplifier. It worsens high-profile cases, dramatically.

    In terms of true justice, the best thing would be to ban all reporting until after a verdict was rendered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wudge
    Buzz, LE and the D.A. will always have the biggest megaphones, and the internet is a nuclear amplifier. It worsens high-profile cases, dramatically.

    In terms of true justice, the best thing would be to ban all reporting until after a verdict was rendered.
    No reporting isn't going to happen, but I think the internet will shift in the favor of the innocent, given enough time.

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    [QUOTE=GlitchWizard]You don't want to think it happens often, but since 1973, ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY THREE guys were released after being proven innocent - and those were the ones on death row, not including the guys who are serving life without parole, life straight up, or consecutive life sentences but are innocent. This does not even include those on death row who are innocent but have no way to prove it.
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    Keep in mind that most of those found innocent were convicted PRIOR to DNA evidence and most are exonerated based upon DNA evidence. As was stated earlier, if DNA evidence points to a person for a crime, I say kill them and do it quickly.

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    Earlier i had posted that China had 2000 executions a year--Its actually 10,000 as Fox News just reported--wow--They don't fool around over there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Hamilton
    Earlier i had posted that China had 2000 executions a year--Its actually 10,000 as Fox News just reported--wow--They don't fool around over there
    Wow! Doesn't sound like the deterrence factor is working very well.

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