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    CA - Sugar Pine Point, WhtFem (692UFCA), 35-45, Ring: "To Mac From PNB", Sep'79

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    Quote Originally Posted by teonspaleprincess
    Yea, with the engraving on the ring, etc. I guess certain cases from the past could only be pursued so much before they ran cold. With the internet and technology today, I'll be a lot of old cases could be solved if someone had the time to dedicate doing all of the research.
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    I just don't know enough about this websleuthing I guess. I was thinking that maybe 'Mac' was a mistake... and I found a DonaMae Bayerl who was 38 who went missing in 1979 from Wisconsin. Maybe the ring actually said 'To Mae from PNB'. But I don't know how to search further.... I can't find any information on DonaMae to see if she was ever married to someone with the initials PNB. ( I know, it's a longshot)

    Are there tricks to sleuthing?

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    i always search http://theyaremissed.org and http://missingkids.com
    because you can search by many different variables.

    Next, I go to the state's missing persons' clearinghouse and search through there. Some state's sites are better than others, and sadly, some state's don't have a clearinghouse at all. Texas has an extensive one, but you can only search by last name and there is no way to filter it out anymore, which REALLY bugs me. I like to seach neighboring states too, in case they crossed state lines.

    If I still don't see anything that catches my eye there, then I head on to the doe network and NAMPN websites and search by timeline.

    Sadly though, you can do all the searching you want, but if the person hasn't been reported missing, it's hopeless.

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    This article is 13 years old, but contains details not found on DoeNet.

    Twenty years later, murder victim remains unknown

    Detective Don Atkinson said an autopsy of the woman's body revealed she died from asphyxiation and brain hemorrhaging. From tracks it appeared that the woman was chased and then her body dragged about 100 yards into the brush. She was found sprawled on her stomach, her features unrecognizable after the savage beating.

    She was wearing blue jeans and a lavender pullover T-shirt. Wooden-soled sandals were found in the area. Her attacker had no interest in her jewelry. She was left with several rings, a watch, bracelet, necklace and her wedding band. The inscription inside read "To Mack from PNB."
    I wish we could see a photo of the ring, because I've seen the inscription noted three ways now:

    1. To MAC from PNB
    2. To Mac from PNB
    3. To Mack from PNB


    This is definitely solvable... I think it just needs more exposure? Someone who loves and is missing this woman would instantly recognize the inscription on the ring, I think.

    PS the peeps who found her sound a bit sketchy... hope they were thoroughly investigated and cleared.

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    It seems most likely if you were going to inscribe a ring it would be the same for both sets.
    I mean:
    From Joe to Jane
    From JS to JJ
    From Joe Smith to Jane Jones

    So I would guess it was
    From MAC to PNB.
    But, was this a wedding ring? Because I wouldn't imagine you would use initials like that. It could be a friendship ring or promise ring...

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    What about Patricia Barrett. Her initials could match the inscription https://www.findthemissing.org/en/ca...=circumstances

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    Yes it could. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcoope23 View Post
    What about Patricia Barrett. Her initials could match the inscription https://www.findthemissing.org/en/ca...=circumstances
    Her middle initial is "A" for Ann, so PNB would not be her initials.

    But she does fit pretty closely to the physical description and the timeline.

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    Maybe the middle letter is a nickname?

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    My thinking (though it might not be accurate) is that if she is wearing the ring, she would be "Mac" (the recipient), not PNB (the giver of the ring).

    Mac isn't normally a woman's name, unless it is her initials "MAC".

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    Priscilla Anne Blevins
    Missing since January 1, 1975 from Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina.
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    Oh, oops. I did it too, picked a middle initial A.........

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    What about Madeline Babcock? No idea on a middle initial, or if she could have had a maiden name beginning with C. Maybe we can try to use Ancestry to find out.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7003/306/

    Madeline was LKA living in California
    Madeline disappeared in 68, long prior, but her disappearance could well have been voluntary.

    Here is Madeline:


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    Charley project lists her maiden and previous married names, and none of them are "C"
    s... (( Her middle name is A though...so unless there is any chance that MAC was actually MAP or MAL, I don't think this is her...

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    I was trying to think of M names that shorten nicknames that start with a different letter, so they may be on Charley or Doe under the nickname, for example:

    Michelle = Shelly
    Margaret = Peggy, Peg
    Melissa = Lissa, Lisa
    Melinda = Linda

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    If it is really to Mac from PNB, Mac could be an affectionate nickname short for a last name like MacBean, MacDowell, etc.

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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11585/8/

    Margarita MacNeill? Missing in 76, a little young- she would have been 30. But LKA in CA, height and weight are good, hair color good. Her pic is so grainy, though...

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    the initials match, but not the race. Seems she did have scar and a pendant. http://www.nampn.org/cases/collins_melissa.html

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    Not many people go to state parks by themselves. So I am guessing she was with a husband or boyfriend and he was her killer. Perhaps she hasn't even been reported- it is the typical "she left me" scenario that we see all the time around here. But her age is young enough that I would think she would have parents or siblings alive to question a disappearance. She might even have had kids...

    I wonder what the other rings looked like and where all the rings were placed. It is entirely possible that this "wedding ring" was an heirloom ring (from a grandparents marriage or something) that she wore out of sentimental reasons. Wearing it on a different finger would suggest that and stop us from continuing to explore the MAC stuff.

    I am going to go look around for Lake Tahoe missing persons. I remember there was a nurse or something that went missing around 1980 or so.
    Just thinking aloud folks...

    EDIT: So the woman I was thinking of went missing in 1970. So I am off by ten years or so. But I stumbled across discussion of this Doe in another thread about Toliver or Tolliver, a man who scammed and killed women (including his wife, allegedly) during this time frame and area.
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    Hi all:
    This is my first post after hanging around for a few months studying some cases and learning about sleuthing. I have been amazed at the remarkable, kind, and dedicated people here. I only hope I can eventually make a meaningful contribution, especially in Ohio, where I live.

    Getting back on topic, here is my admittedly "quirky" idea: I don't think the initials on the ring are conventional names at all. I think they are nicknames, based on each person's favorite comfort food: she is "Mac" for mac & cheese; he is "PNB" for peanut butter & jelly. Even if this is not entirely correct, I think that the ring initials may be more of a hindrance than a help: unless they are being strictly formal, people might engrave all kinds of unique personal things on jewelry. So I think we should look beyond matching names to the engraving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deirdre1230 View Post
    Hi all:
    This is my first post after hanging around for a few months studying some cases and learning about sleuthing. I have been amazed at the remarkable, kind, and dedicated people here. I only hope I can eventually make a meaningful contribution, especially in Ohio, where I live.

    Getting back on topic, here is my admittedly "quirky" idea: I don't think the initials on the ring are conventional names at all. I think they are nicknames, based on each person's favorite comfort food: she is "Mac" for mac & cheese; he is "PNB" for peanut butter & jelly. Even if this is not entirely correct, I think that the ring initials may be more of a hindrance than a help: unless they are being strictly formal, people might engrave all kinds of unique personal things on jewelry. So I think we should look beyond matching names to the engraving.
    Good point. For example...Mac could stand for McKenzie as a first name or McIntire, McDaniel, McMahon, etc as a last name. My mom had a Mc name as her maiden name, and everyone called her and her brothers "Mac." But, could it be M.A.C. instead of Mac? We haven't seen the engraving.

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    First name Mackenzie or Mackinzie
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    Quote Originally Posted by deirdre1230 View Post
    Hi all:
    This is my first post after hanging around for a few months studying some cases and learning about sleuthing. I have been amazed at the remarkable, kind, and dedicated people here. I only hope I can eventually make a meaningful contribution, especially in Ohio, where I live.

    Getting back on topic, here is my admittedly "quirky" idea: I don't think the initials on the ring are conventional names at all. I think they are nicknames, based on each person's favorite comfort food: she is "Mac" for mac & cheese; he is "PNB" for peanut butter & jelly. Even if this is not entirely correct, I think that the ring initials may be more of a hindrance than a help: unless they are being strictly formal, people might engrave all kinds of unique personal things on jewelry. So I think we should look beyond matching names to the engraving.



    I think you have a good point- we should not get too caught up in the initials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    Charley project lists her maiden and previous married names, and none of them are "C"
    s... (( Her middle name is A though...so unless there is any chance that MAC was actually MAP or MAL, I don't think this is her...
    Madeline Anna Pouliot was my sisters Maiden name She was Married to Harold B. Larcome and to the possible perp in her dissaperence Larry Ray Babcock . Madeline was 4 ft 11 inches tall extreme high forhead . Information giving from Pat Foy Madelines sister . MAP was her initials Looking at the pictures I do not see that it is Madeline .

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