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This article hit me hardly, It was a realistic look at society and how it treats gay people. It makes me sick that they are not given the same rights as everyone else and how people are so fine with making fun of gay people, older people, and fat people. The three categories it seems society feels its okay to make fun of.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-oe-kramer20mar20,1,4594749.story

To me they are bullies and only make fun of other people so they feel better about their crappy lives, sorry for the rant but I just had to hear this junk again tonight and listen to the idiot who was talking and not say what I wanted to say because it was my husband's friend. :banghead:

I also wanted to say I dont know if this the right place but its just grating my nerves and I saw this article on yahoo tonight and this poor man had to die because of it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070322/ap_on_re_us/gay_man_s_death
 
Some people take until old age to learn tolerance, others never do.

My mother, a true Southern lady, didn't believe her favorite "boys" at church were gay. Nor were her favorite shoe store owners who took care of her shoe purchases for many years. Well, Mother was finally convinced that her beloved young men friends were gay when one talked to her at length after his companion died of AIDS. She told me after careful reflection, she finally realized that they were gay, and decided to accept them. She then thought about all the wonderful things they had done for her over the years. They were still her friends and she loved them for who they were, not what they were. They were there for her when she needed help.

By the way, she also shed her predjudice of Blacks at about the same time. Again, who called her to see if she needed anything while she recovered from her latest hip operation? If it wasn't her gay friends, it was the black members of our church. Strange how at 80 years old some people can shed their lifelong predjudices and embrace human differences, yet others grow more intolerant.
 
Autumn2004 said:
To me they are bullies and only make fun of other people so they feel better about their crappy lives
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:furious:

How can someone beat up a 72-year-old who's minding his own business? I'll never understand why hating others is so - enjoyed is the only word I can think of - by some. You may not like or agree with how someone lives, but Larry Kramer is right -- the legislation is based in hate.
 
Somehow I lived the first half of my life not knowing about gay lifestyles. I lived my school years never hearing the n word. As an adult I have worked with all walks of life, people became friends without any barriers. It saddens me when a group is publicly screaming "pay attention to us, your not fair to us". Then I lose "self" because i become one of their enemy, a white person, a straight person, an American. I don't like being abused like that. I am no one's enemy. I will definitely shy away from those screaming for attention.

Just thoughts.
 
Has anyone noticed how youths are now tagging the phrase "no *advertiser censored*" to sentences that may have a homosexual connotation?

The urban dictionary has an interesting page on it:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=no+*advertiser censored*

e.g. Hey, pass the nuts. No *advertiser censored*.

I'm not sure if it betrays an underlying homophobia or if it's just a curious fad.
 
BarnGoddess said:
Some people take until old age to learn tolerance, others never do.

My mother, a true Southern lady, didn't believe her favorite "boys" at church were gay. Nor were her favorite shoe store owners who took care of her shoe purchases for many years. Well, Mother was finally convinced that her beloved young men friends were gay when one talked to her at length after his companion died of AIDS. She told me after careful reflection, she finally realized that they were gay, and decided to accept them. She then thought about all the wonderful things they had done for her over the years. They were still her friends and she loved them for who they were, not what they were. They were there for her when she needed help.

By the way, she also shed her predjudice of Blacks at about the same time. Again, who called her to see if she needed anything while she recovered from her latest hip operation? If it wasn't her gay friends, it was the black members of our church. Strange how at 80 years old some people can shed their lifelong predjudices and embrace human differences, yet others grow more intolerant.
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What a lovely story. Thanks for sharing that. I was raised by true Southern ladies, some of whom had similar epiphanies as your mother as they got older! It was a beautiful thing to behold.

I have a belief that old, hateful, tired, divisive beliefs die out slowly over time - one way or another - and are replaced by healthy beliefs more suited to the unified race of mankind. It seems slow when measured by our hours and days, but it happens. Slowly but surely, it happens!
 
Beyond Belief said:
Somehow I lived the first half of my life not knowing about gay lifestyles. I lived my school years never hearing the n word. As an adult I have worked with all walks of life, people became friends without any barriers. It saddens me when a group is publicly screaming "pay attention to us, your not fair to us". Then I lose "self" because i become one of their enemy, a white person, a straight person, an American. I don't like being abused like that. I am no one's enemy. I will definitely shy away from those screaming for attention.

Just thoughts.
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My, my, my! So what do you suggest for those who face legal discrimination and hatred? That they keep quiet so you don't "feel" abused when they speak out?

Apparently, you have lived a very sheltered life. You have no idea what abuse is. Lucky you, I guess.
 
Beyond Belief said:
Somehow I lived the first half of my life not knowing about gay lifestyles. I lived my school years never hearing the n word. As an adult I have worked with all walks of life, people became friends without any barriers. It saddens me when a group is publicly screaming "pay attention to us, your not fair to us". Then I lose "self" because i become one of their enemy, a white person, a straight person, an American. I don't like being abused like that. I am no one's enemy. I will definitely shy away from those screaming for attention.

Just thoughts.
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Beyond Belief, those who are discriminated against "don't like being abused like that" either. And correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are a woman. If women didn't stand up and scream "pay attention to us, your not fair to us," chances are you would not be PERMITTED to work. How fortunate for us women that people heard our pleas for equality and didn't "shy away" from us.
 
Masterj said:
Beyond Belief, those who are discriminated against "don't like being abused like that" either. And correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are a woman. If women didn't stand up and scream "pay attention to us, your not fair to us," chances are you would not be PERMITTED to work. How fortunate for us women that people heard our pleas for equality and didn't "shy away" from us.
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As usual, Masterj, your reply is more gracious than mine. Frankly, I am out of patience with that "blame the victim" crap.

And these days, there's really no excuse for anyone not knowing that in that lovely world where gay people weren't mentioned, gay people were suffering mightily, often in prisons, mental institutions and hospitals.

But back to Larry Kramer's editorial, it is ironic that Conservatives scream to high heaven over the supposed unfairness of the inheritance tax -- UNLESS the tax penalty is visited on gays.
 
Beyond Belief said:
Somehow I lived the first half of my life not knowing about gay lifestyles. I lived my school years never hearing the n word. As an adult I have worked with all walks of life, people became friends without any barriers. It saddens me when a group is publicly screaming "pay attention to us, your not fair to us". Then I lose "self" because i become one of their enemy, a white person, a straight person, an American. I don't like being abused like that. I am no one's enemy. I will definitely shy away from those screaming for attention.

Just thoughts.
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Women fought for the right to vote.
Blacks fought for equal rights.
Women fought for the right to choose what they can do with their own bodies (i.e., Roe v. Wade).

I'm sure there are so many more instances that I've omitted, but I think you get the point. Americans have the right to peacefully protest any number of different issues. How any one person can say these protests is "abuse" is beyond my comprehension. Perhaps you can explain this to me. It also seems to me that if you're not in favor of equal rights, etc., its easy enough to turn your back and ignore it, but "screaming for attention" is a God given right that us Americans have. While I cannot speak for each person whose protested these injustices, something tells me that they weren't aimed at you personally, so please don't take it personally.

P.S., the fact that you lived the first half of your life not knowing about the "gay lifestyle," tells me that its not been so "in your face."
 
For the record and in case anyone cares, Larry Kramer is known for taking the gay community to task at least as often as he criticizes society at large.
 
Beyond Belief said:
Somehow I lived the first half of my life not knowing about gay lifestyles. I lived my school years never hearing the n word. As an adult I have worked with all walks of life, people became friends without any barriers. It saddens me when a group is publicly screaming "pay attention to us, your not fair to us". Then I lose "self" because i become one of their enemy, a white person, a straight person, an American. I don't like being abused like that. I am no one's enemy. I will definitely shy away from those screaming for attention.

Just thoughts.
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Not only should we get up and scream and shout if our own rights are abridged as Americans; but we should scream and shout for our fellow Americans whom are not being treated fairly.
 
Jeana (DP) said:
Women fought for the right to vote.
Blacks fought for equal rights.
Women fought for the right to choose what they can do with their own bodies (i.e., Roe v. Wade).

I'm sure there are so many more instances that I've omitted, but I think you get the point. Americans have the right to peacefully protest any number of different issues. How any one person can say these protests is "abuse" is beyond my comprehension. Perhaps you can explain this to me. It also seems to me that if you're not in favor of equal rights, etc., its easy enough to turn your back and ignore it, but "screaming for attention" is a God given right that us Americans have. While I cannot speak for each person whose protested these injustices, something tells me that they weren't aimed at you personally, so please don't take it personally.

P.S., the fact that you lived the first half of your life not knowing about the "gay lifestyle," tells me that its not been so "in your face."
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My best friend has been in a relationship with another woman since the middle 70's. Nothing changed, shes still my best friend since we were 4 years old, we're almost 60. LOL Is that what you mean by "in my face"?
 
Beyond Belief said:
My best friend has been in a relationship with another woman since the middle 70's. Nothing changed, shes still my best friend since we were 4 years old, we're almost 60. LOL Is that what you mean by "in my face"?
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I believe the subject is political protest.

Although I reacted strongly to your original post - obviously - I don't think anyone has accused you of homophobia.

However, your apparent argument that minorities need to shut up so as not to aggravate the majority can be just as deadly as outright prejudice.
 
Beyond Belief said:
Somehow I lived the first half of my life not knowing about gay lifestyles. I lived my school years never hearing the n word. As an adult I have worked with all walks of life, people became friends without any barriers. It saddens me when a group is publicly screaming "pay attention to us, your not fair to us". Then I lose "self" because i become one of their enemy, a white person, a straight person, an American. I don't like being abused like that. I am no one's enemy. I will definitely shy away from those screaming for attention.

Just thoughts.
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If a group of people who aren't being treated fairly are vocal about obtaining fairness, how is that abusive to you and how does that make you the enemy? I am trying to understand your vantage point.

I am not gay, but when I hear gay people fighting for fairness, I don't feel like I am their enemy. And I surely don't feel abused.
 
Sorry, when I was thinking out loud this a.m. I had thoughts of the previous post of how we change over the years. I am really sorry it was misunderstood and off topic. Goodbye.
 
Beyond Belief said:
My best friend has been in a relationship with another woman since the middle 70's. Nothing changed, shes still my best friend since we were 4 years old, we're almost 60. LOL Is that what you mean by "in my face"?
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I think that "in your face" means different things to different people.
 
Beyond Belief said:
Sorry, when I was thinking out loud this a.m. I had thoughts of the previous post of how we change over the years. I am really sorry it was misunderstood and off topic. Goodbye.
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Please don't apologize, BB. However much I disagree, I didn't think you meant to be unkind. Not for a moment.
 
Jeana (DP) said:
Neither do I and your past posts prove that you're not here to cause a "ruckus." :D :D
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Um, Jeana's post is to Beyond Belief, even though she quotes me for context.

As Jeana well knows, I am ALWAYS here to cause a "ruckus." :razz:
 
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