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    Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody, Part 2

    Here is a part 2 thread for Theory #2: Family Abduction by George Waters with George Brody and/or Associates .

    The other thread had gotten too long.
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    Bump to get this above the old Part 1 thread.
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    Just wondering if Sherlock contacted Madyln yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    Just wondering if Sherlock contacted Madyln yet?
    Madlyn is currently in a nursing home. We may have mssed our window of opportunity for getting any information from her. SherlockJr is exploring other family members for possible information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SherlockJr View Post
    According to death records for Margaret, she was born in NJ. However the town in PA where she lived before moving to CA was Doylestown in Bucks County.
    Just to put things in geographic perspective, we live in New Jersey (Mercer County, bordering the Delaware River) and my wife had a doctor's appointment today in Doylestown, less than an hour away (Bucks County borders the other side of the river). Please let us know if there's any research we can do for you here; my wife and I are both reporters and are near Trenton, where a lot of state records are kept. Where was Margaret born?

    Originally mistakenly posted on closed thread (Abduction by George Waters with George Brody, Part 1)

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    Any word on Madlyn's relatives? Anyone know anything yet? I have a really good angle I'd like to explore but it would be a waist of time if Madlyn is truly Brody's MK's sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNTERESTEDWOMAN View Post
    Any word on Madlyn's relatives? Anyone know anything yet? I have a really good angle I'd like to explore but it would be a waist of time if Madlyn is truly Brody's MK's sister.
    Actually, if Madlyn is our Margret's sister, then that may be an opportunity to gain information about Brody (which would be our main goal with this tact). I believe that MK and GB knew each other in PA and came to CA together. This means that MK's family may know GB's real name and history. (Is that enough initials to confuse everybody? OK!)
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    I'm not sure if this has been asked, but came to mind last night before I fell asleep.

    Was Anna aware of who GW was? I remember reading he was not involved in her life after her parents split. Did she have pictures or was shown pictures of him, and would she have recognized him from pictures possibly willingly going off with him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    I'm not sure if this has been asked, but came to mind last night before I fell asleep.

    Was Anna aware of who GW was? I remember reading he was not involved in her life after her parents split. Did she have pictures or was shown pictures of him, and would she have recognized him from pictures possibly willingly going off with him?
    I don't believe she would have known who he was. There were pictures of him in albums somewhere about, but whether we ever discussed him in Anna's hearing I can't remember. She was a friendly little girl and had not been warned not to speak to strangers. Just this morning I drove out to Purisima canyon with two of my grandchildren who had not seen it, and they marveled at how far off the beaten track it seemed to them (city kids). They also loved coming back to town by the roller-coaster Higgins Canyon route their father and Anna took to and from school every day.

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    Annasmom: I came up dry for getting Pics of the Harbor back in 1972.I was told the the Harbormaster at Pillar point has some pics. But they have not responded to my e-mails. Sorry I tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDB View Post
    Annasmom: I came up dry for getting Pics of the Harbor back in 1972.I was told the the Harbormaster at Pillar point has some pics. But they have not responded to my e-mails. Sorry I tried.
    Thanks, JDB; it was a good thought and we may yet look into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annasmom View Post
    I don't believe she would have known who he was. There were pictures of him in albums somewhere about, but whether we ever discussed him in Anna's hearing I can't remember. She was a friendly little girl and had not been warned not to speak to strangers. Just this morning I drove out to Purisima canyon with two of my grandchildren who had not seen it, and they marveled at how far off the beaten track it seemed to them (city kids). They also loved coming back to town by the roller-coaster Higgins Canyon route their father and Anna took to and from school every day.
    Sort of off the subject (as we wait for the DNA results)Whether or not a child is warned not to speak to strangers, they probably would anyway.
    This is an example of what happened 2 weeks ago when my mom, my daughter, and I went to the mall to see the Easter bunny:
    We were in the children's play area at the mall so my daughter could run around. This little girl, who was about 5-6, joined in to play with my daughter...

    Little girl: My name is J_______
    My mom: Oh, thats my last name! I am Nancy and this is my granddaughter, Parker.
    Little girl: Oh really? I can write down my phone number for you!
    My mom: "Well you know thats probably not a good idea because you dont know me"

    Fortunately, my mom is an elementary school teacher. She went up to the little girl's father and told him what had happened. He was shocked and said he had told her repeatedly not to talk to strangers and thanked my mom. When we were leaving, I looked over and saw her father giving her the 'talk' and she clearly felt so bad, she was crying and had her head buried in her father's arms. I felt bad but it needed to be done.

    I've seen shows on tv where they would have an hidden camera and put a stranger (actor) near children and have them ask for help. Sadly a lot of those children went up to the stranger to help them regardless of whether they knew not to talk to strangers. Scary!

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    Sadly, Grace, that is true. I've always maintained that no child is any match for an adult bent on harming him or her, no matter how well prepared or how well educated the child is regarding "stranger-danger". I, too, saw that news segment where actors played child abductors and were able to entice an alarmingly high number of children to go with them, despite the fact that the kids had been taught not to speak to strangers. The parents were devastated as they sat nearby watching the experiment. I wasn't surprised at the results at all.

    Regardless of how much we'd like to think that we can prevent our children from being abducted, there is no 100% guarantee that we can do so. Just look at poor Anna, who was abducted from her own back yard, out in the middle of nowhere. Not to mention poor Polly Klass, Elizabeth Smart or Jessica Lunsford. It's a really sad fact of life, unfortunately.

    Prayers to all the child victims and their families.

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    Margaret Kukoda

    12-2-05 by Annamom (cut and paste from original Anna Christian Waters thread. Post #140)
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    Does anyone know how and/or where George and Brody first met?laini
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    Waters treated Brody's girl friend, who had an incurable tumor and subsequently died. Brody was in all probability living off this woman, who had a number of small businesses under (no surprise) several different names.


    I've been searching past threads and came upon this information. Was this speculation by Annasmom, or is there indeed proof of aliases and businesses that Margaret Kukoda ran? Besides her possible Mary K business, what other names did she use and what business did she have?

    Also, I was under the impression that George Waters never had a private practice and was mainly a Emergency room/clinic doctor. Why would he be treating a Cancer/tumor patient?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie View Post
    Actually, if Madlyn is our Margret's sister, then that may be an opportunity to gain information about Brody (which would be our main goal with this tact). I believe that MK and GB knew each other in PA and came to CA together. This means that MK's family may know GB's real name and history. (Is that enough initials to confuse everybody? OK!)
    Right...I got ya there. What I was trying to say is, has any of these relatives of Madyln's been contacted yet? I have a few areas to explore in the event that Margaret Kukoda (child of Anthony and Esther and sister of Madlyn) is NOT Brodys MK. There is a great possibility she is, but a few things just arent right. Specifically her birth date. You would think being retired Navy, Registered Nurse, and Convict, with a valid Social Security Number that her birth date would have been correct on her death certificate, but it's not. If they are the same people the birth month should be March 1917(or maybe April) but the death cert says August 1917. Born & died on the exact same day 50 years later.

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