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    GA - College Park, BlkMale UP649, 35-50, related to slain FL girl, Dec'95

    Very strange case....two bodies found years apart and dna proves that they are related.

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 177UMGA
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/177umga.html


    Reconstructions of victim by Marla Lawson
    Unidentified Black Male
    • Located on December 27, 1995 in College Park, Fulton County, Georgia.
    • State of Remains: Skeletal
    • Investigators believe the bones were there for a year at least.



    Vital Statistics

    • Estimated age: 35 - 45 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'6 - 5'9"
    • Dentals: There were some teeth still in the skull.
    • Clothing: He was wearing a long sleeved blue shirt with red / gray / green / blue stripes; a heavy blue coat with gray lining and gray/dark brown knit pants. A blue plastic comb was found in his possession.


    Case History
    The victim was found in a wooded area near Godby Road and Old National Highway in College Park, Georgia, in an area frequented by druggies and homeless. Investigators found bones scattered over an area 50 feet across.
    DNA analysis indicates that he may be a biological relative of an unidentified African-American female who was found in Screven County, Georgia.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
    Fulton Co. Medical Examiner's Office
    404-730-4400
    Email
    Agency Case Number:
    95-2465
    NCIC Number:
    U-172203198
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
    Source Information:
    FCMEO
    Georgia Bureau of Investigation




    The Doe Network - Hot Case # 290**

    Can You Help Identify these Remains
    from Screven County, Georgia?

    Date Located December 6, 1986 Location FoundScreven County, Georgia
    Date of Death Unknown Cause of Death Unknown
    Description (Estimates))
    Race/GenderAgeHeightUnknown/Female 10-15 years old 5'2" - 5'6"
    WeightEye Color/Hair Color90-120 lbs. Unknown Unknown
    FingerprintsDentalDNANot available due to skeletal remains No teeth located Not available
    ClothingCondition of Remains Knit, crew neck shirt; 22 inch waist panties; size 32 bra. Partial skeleton. Only a partial skull with no facial bones.
    Case Details:The partial remains of this female were found in Screven County, Georgia on December 6, 1986. Very little information about her is available. The height, weight, and age are all estimates.
    Investigating Agency InformationCase #:Agency :Phone :NCIC #: U-542501423 Georgia Bureau of Investigation
    Statesboro 912-871-1121 </B>If you have any information regarding this unidentified personPlease contact the Agency listed with any information. Source Information:Georgia Bureau of Investigation
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-01-2013 at 02:29 PM. Reason: added link
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    Just wanted to bump this one up.
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    Very strange case. Do you think the man could be the father of the girl? Is it possible he killed her, then years later, himself? An uncle, perhaps?
    You put the light in me...

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    Wow, this reminds me of a nora roberts novel. Carolina Moon is the name of the book and the killer killed again at the same time every 10 years to relive the murder. Yeah I read romance novels

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    Giving this gentleman a . I didn't find anything new about him. If someone can find him on NamUS, please post it.

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    Wait, what? Are we sure that it's these two cases that are biologically related, and not some other female from Screven county?

    The reason I'm asking is, DN says that there is no DNA available for her.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase290.html
    DNA: Not available

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjeta View Post
    Wait, what? Are we sure that it's these two cases that are biologically related, and not some other female from Screven county?

    The reason I'm asking is, DN says that there is no DNA available for her.
    http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase290.html
    Well, isn't THAT interesting? But his profile says "DNA analysis indicates that he may be a biological relative of an unidentified African-American female who was found in Screven County, Georgia. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    Well, isn't THAT interesting? But his profile says "DNA analysis indicates that he may be a biological relative of an unidentified African-American female who was found in Screven County, Georgia. "
    The African American part doesn't really fit HC 290 either because her race is unknown.

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    Here are the NamUs and Doe Network links together. Also, note that they may possibly have DNA on file for the UID female, but without having recorded it in NamUs proper.

    Unidentified black male
    Located on December 27, 1995 in College Park, Fulton County, Georgia
    http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/case_detai...647272,00.html

    NamUs UP # 649
    https://identifyus.org/cases/649

    The Doe Network: Case File 177UMGA
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/177umga.html


    Unidentified unknown race female
    Located on December 6, 1986 in Screven County, Georgia
    http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/case_detai...651190,00.html

    NamUs UP # 4702
    https://identifyus.org/cases/4702

    The Doe Network: Hot Case 290
    http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase290.html


    For the UID female, there are inconsistencies in the reported extent of the remains between the NamUs posting and the Doe Network entry. NamUs says "All parts recovered." If the Screven County Coroner's Office does truly only have a partial skull fragment with no intact maxilla or mandible (upper jaw or lower jaw), I would take seriously the statement that the height, weight, and age of the UID female — perhaps even the sex, unless they have DNA after all — are pretty rough estimates.

    I know very little about forensic anthropology, but my understanding is that when dealing with a limited skull fragment from a probable juvenile, out of height, weight, age, and sex, the one most likely to be correctly estimated is age. Age can be estimated from the degree of closure of the cranial sutures. The different parts of our skull harden and fuse together as we grow older.

    If you have a larger portion of the skull (or, obviously, if you can get DNA), you can appraise the sex with 70-90% accuracy, but that's harder to do when you have a fragment from someone who may not have gone through puberty yet.

    Maybe one of the resident "amateur experts" like Carl can correct or clarify, if they're reading.

    If the UID male has clear African-American traits and the UID female is known via DNA to be a biological relative, I can see why Doe might carelessly refer to her as African-American. But they shouldn't do that without the coroner's independent appraisal. Race is more complicated than that.

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    Here is an obvious possible that I hope to Pete was immediately checked against the UID female:

    NamUs MP # 3982
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/3982/

    The Charley Project: Catrina Renee Jackson
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_catrina.html

    The Doe Network: Catrina Renee Jackson - Case File 271DFGA
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/271dfga.html

    Missing since May 30, 1986 from Sylvania, Screven County, Georgia
    Classification: Non-Family Abduction
    Date Of Birth: February 11, 1973
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3; 120 pounds
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes. Her ears are pierced.


    And here are a couple more:

    The Charley Project: Sherry Lynn Marler
    Missing since June 6, 1984 from Greenville, Alabama
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...er_sherry.html

    The Charley Project: Mary Jo Burnette
    Missing since June 1, 1984 from Rockford, Alabama
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ette_mary.html


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    I know that it's not as likely that the gender is wrong. Chances are, this unidentified man is probably a man. Otherwise, I'd be tempted to suggest Diane Hollins and her 14 year old daughter Tammy, two black females who went missing in 1979 from Florida...

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    This has an interesting twist to it. Can the DNA analysis determine what their relationship would be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    I know that it's not as likely that the gender is wrong. Chances are, this unidentified man is probably a man. Otherwise, I'd be tempted to suggest Diane Hollins and her 14 year old daughter Tammy, two black females who went missing in 1979 from Florida...
    The 1995 College Park, Fulton County, Georgia UID is (almost certainly) male, as the NamUs profile says "Male DNA detected."
    Last edited by KateB; 04-26-2015 at 09:12 PM. Reason: repair url tag.

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    Coming back to this suggestion...

    Quote Originally Posted by Irish_Eyes View Post
    I know that it's not as likely that the gender is wrong. Chances are, this unidentified man is probably a man. Otherwise, I'd be tempted to suggest Diane Hollins and her 14 year old daughter Tammy, two black females who went missing in 1979 from Florida...
    Tammy Hollins has been found deceased, per NCMEC a few days ago.

    FL FL - Diane (31) & Tammy (14 - deceased) Hollins, Daytona Beach, 11 June 1979 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


    I noticed that NamUs UP # 4702 (the UID young female) was also taken down within the last couple of days. Could be coincidental, but it makes you wonder. Anybody know? Nothing is said about Tammy's mother Diane.

    Interestingly, neither the UID male (?) nor the UID young female are or were on Georgia Bureau of Investigation's revamped listing of unidentified decedents, which has been up since at least January. If that was intentional, the IDs of both might already be known.

    Both UIDs are still on Doe Network. The young female is now 977UFGA, formerly HC 290. The male's entry as NamUs UP # 649 remains up.
    Last edited by KateB; 04-26-2015 at 09:11 PM. Reason: repair url tag.

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    Wow thanks zinc. I wonder if Diane and her daughter were found or just Diane. I also now wonder wyy rhe NAMUS uid female is down.

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