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    Quote Originally Posted by Smugshots View Post
    I think we live in an 'F' up society because some people blame the victim instead of the perp, and in cases where the perp is caught the sentence is much to lenient.

    I'm sorry for the loss of your sister Jeana. I'm surprised at your stance on this considering your loss. Since you seem to think it's the victims fault that they were careless, does that mean you think your sister or your mother was careless and allowed your sister to become a victim? I guess this goes to show perps will find a way to take someone even when a parent is there.

    Thank you. Yes, my mother blamed herself. My younger sister blamed herself. I guess its normal for parents to blame themselves, whether there is any truth to it or not. There is a huge difference between the cases though because my sister was 19 years old. Not three.


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    Quote Originally Posted by englishleigh View Post
    I don't think there's any need to attack Jeana for her opinion, or use her family tragedy to do it. Of course her family wasn't careless. Jeana's sister was an adult, at 19. She didn't need someone supervising her at all times. MADDIE IS A CHILD...not even yet four when she was taken, and she was left alone with her even younger twin siblings, with no parents anywhere near...I don't think 40-50-100 yards away in a strange place is considered "near", IMO.

    There's no question that the parents were neglectful. I don't imagine, though, that anyone is as angry at them as they are at themselves. Whether or not they ever get their child back, they will have to live with themselves forever, and I think it's punishment enough...I'm one of the ones who think they shouldn't have done what they did, but they have received the worst possible punishment...and likely it will be ongoing for the rest of their lives, whether or not Maddie is ever found.
    I didn't attack anyone. If Jeana didn't want to discuss her family tragedy then she wouldn't have brought it.

    I just think that it is odd that she said people allow themselves to become victims then states how her family has been victim to a horrible crime.

    In my opinion it's never the victims fault! I don't care how careless someone may have been. The perp is always the one at fault regardless of the scenario!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smugshots View Post
    I didn't attack anyone. If Jeana didn't want to discuss her family tragedy then she wouldn't have brought it.

    I just think that it is odd that she said people allow themselves to become victims then states how her family has been victim to a horrible crime.

    In my opinion it's never the victims fault! I don't care how careless someone may have been. The perp is always the one at fault regardless of the scenario!
    it's not the victims fault. the victim is 3! nobody is saying Jessica Marie Lunsford's grandparents are at fault for not waking up. they did not leave her home alone to have dinner with a neighbor. bad thing can happen to your child no matter what you do. i try to keep my little ones safe and live in fear that it wont be enough. the perp should be tortured before he is executed imo. that does not mean her parents did not set this whole thing in motion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smugshots View Post
    I didn't attack anyone. If Jeana didn't want to discuss her family tragedy then she wouldn't have brought it.

    I just think that it is odd that she said people allow themselves to become victims then states how her family has been victim to a horrible crime.

    In my opinion it's never the victims fault! I don't care how careless someone may have been. The perp is always the one at fault regardless of the scenario!

    No, at the end of the day, it's not the victim's fault they were attacked/abducted/killed...but sometimes, as in the McCann case, people do things that put themselves out there and leave them vulnerable to crime. Leaving their children unattended contributed GREATLY to the fact that Maddie was taken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by englishleigh View Post
    Per FNC.....Maddie possibly recently SEEN inside a red van in a southern suburb of the resort area where she was taken...police investigating this new lead.
    Oh my, hope it's true. If it's her, to be seen, she's alive.

    I'd be shocked though that whomever has her would take any chance of having her seen at this point. This is the biggest international child kidnappping case probably ever. And look at the bucks involved. I'll HOPE though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDiem View Post
    Oh my, hope it's true. If it's her, to be seen, she's alive.

    I'd be shocked though that whomever has her would take any chance of having her seen at this point. This is the biggest international child kidnappping case probably ever. And look at he bucks involved. I'll HOPE though.
    maybe they felt they had to move her because cops are getting close. false sightings are common in high profile cases. lets hope this is real.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smugshots View Post
    I didn't attack anyone. If Jeana didn't want to discuss her family tragedy then she wouldn't have brought it.

    I just think that it is odd that she said people allow themselves to become victims then states how her family has been victim to a horrible crime.

    In my opinion it's never the victims fault! I don't care how careless someone may have been. The perp is always the one at fault regardless of the scenario!
    This family did allow themselves to become victims. It just so happened that it turned out to be a person that hurt their little girl. It could have just as easily been something like a fire or something that happened to them inside the hotel room.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sherri79 View Post
    maybe they felt they had to move her because cops are getting close. false sightings are common in high profile cases. lets hope this is real.
    I pray to God that this is her.


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    Maybe it's time for a forum just for Maddie. That way these thoughts and debates could be separated and explored a bit.

    Petra mentioned the lifestyle there is/was so American 1950's, in her experience. Remember "Leave it to Beaver" my fellow Americans? And the era "Timmy and Lassie" lived in?

    I grieve for you our international posters for that innocence now lost.

    I'm really hoping for Madie. This needs to end NOW.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448 View Post
    This Murat guy...the secret chamber and porn on computer.... is scaring me.
    Me, too, Christine...I think he is definitely the one. I just hope he didn't harm Maddie and she is safe, elsewhere, and can be found.

    I agree with Carpe...it's time for Madeleine to have her own forum...please?


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    Quote Originally Posted by emma l View Post
    Its is not a "cultural thing" in the UK to leave children alone. I can say that with 100% certainty, being british myself!
    Yep, that's why I didn't pass judgement about something I didn't know. I wasn't sure how "cultural" this practice was, and the article made me upset. Was the article pulished in Britain? Ugh, I guess it doesn't matter right- the article's suggestions surprised and shocked many of us anyway.

    I really believe that there are practices that are culturally acceptable because of situations that make it acceptable (i.e. lack of crime, tight-knit community) as Petra mentioned. (Happy 17 mai BTW!!!!) But I seemed to remember a story about a baby snatched from a stroller once outside ( I don't remember where, sorry)

    I hope they find Maddie and that we can all (after lots of free discussion *ahem) drop the "parents made a poor judgement" issue and move on with our good sleuthing/speculating skills to FIND Madeline.

    MG


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    CNN just posted this, what timing:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/eu...sing.child.ap/


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    been reading here without signing in....

    [quote=Smugshots;1488526]I think we live in an 'F' up society because some people blame the victim instead of the perp, and in cases where the perp is caught the sentence is much to lenient.
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    but I just had to chime in on this. I have very strong feelings about the fact that these small children were left alone....haven't said anything about it because I can't even imagine the pain this family is going through...and the damage is already done.....BUT I feel the need to point out that parents need to be responsible for their actions where their children are concerned. I would NEVER EVER leave my children alone, especially in a foreign country, to appease my need for adult companionship. It is just plain wrong. Period.

    Maddie is the victim....by both the person who took her & her own parent's negligence.

    The parents are victims of their own making by being selfish and negligent.

    Maddie has all of my sympathy....her parents, though I do feel sorry for them....it's just not so much. Good parents put their children first, regardless of their own needs. Had they done this, Maddie would still be safe and sound.


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    Who ever has Madeleine must realize that the case has raised international interest - wouldn't they feel it best to release her and hope that they cannot be recognized? Or are they determined to keep her and hope the limelight fades regarding the case? There is something that is making the police feel she is not too far away and I have to wonder if they are not getting good solid leads.
    Not being in Portugal, what do (considering they find the kidnappers - hopefully) the courts do with regards to these sorts of crimes? Are they strict? Do they give life terms in jail? Do they have the death penalty in Portugal? Are they liable to give 10 years or so and then probation?
    Times have changed in regards to children being left alone - when I watch my grandchildren I watch them like a hawk. I would never forgive myself if something happened to them in my care.


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    I am in no way trying to trivialize the situation and it is such a tragic thing to happen, but if you leave your keys in your car, and your car gets stolen, (like I said, I'm not trying to make fun of or lessen the severity of the crime) you left your car open to be stolen.

    If someone watched you for a week, and noticed that you consistently came in from work at 10pm every night, and left the keys in the car, unlocked, they would know that they had a window of opportunity.

    Yes, the parents are victims, as is Maddie. Cultural differences or not, when something happens like this, we all have feelings about it. Think about the young girl that was stoned because she was dating someone from a different religion. We were all outraged (I still havent watched the video) but that's what they do in her religion.

    All differences aside, Maddie needs to be brought home.


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