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    I agree, this more than likely would not have happend if the children were not left alone. However, I think that point has been established, and people need to focus on the fact that a little girl is missing. She is either very scarred right now or worse, and even though I do not support the parents actions what's done is done. Stop bashing the fact they left the children, and start worrying about where this girl is. One more fact, I hate to think about is I read the father checked in on the children at 9:30 and she was gone when the mom looked in on them at 10:00. I hate to say it, but could the father be involved in this? Could he have done something to her, and gotten rid of the body? Or even worse, could he be involved in some type of pedo ring? I know many won't like that idea, but has he been looked at? When ever a child goes missing under mysterious circumstances I always look at the parents. Yet, for some reason that's not happening here. I bet if the wife ws the one missing every one would be all over the husband. Why does it seem everyone is just taking his word? Just my thoughts.

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    Does anyone know where the family is now? are they back in the UK?

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    I can't stay quiet any longer. CarpeDiem - I was reading the link to SkyNews you posted and one of the bloggers said the following:

    "The locals, although sympathetic to the McCannís plight, brought up the fact that six months ago three year old twin girls were abducted. This made little impact on their own news and the story didnít warrant the attention of the international press.
    Could there be a link?? Are there other similar abductions going on? Is there a gang who are interested in three year old girls?"


    Is this true - does any one know? I don't remember ever hearing about it. But in mho the story should have warranted international press and maybe if the news would have gotten out, Madeline would not be missing now!

    It appears that there is tension between the local community and the Britons over the way things are being handled. I would caution that we should be very skeptical of everything we read in the press, particularly when there is so much chaos going on.

    My thoughts and prayers to Maddie - I hope you are back with your family soon and in the meantime that you are being looked after with care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    I can't stay quiet any longer. CarpeDiem - I was reading the link to SkyNews you posted and one of the bloggers said the following:

    "The locals, although sympathetic to the McCann’s plight, brought up the fact that six months ago three year old twin girls were abducted. This made little impact on their own news and the story didn’t warrant the attention of the international press.
    Could there be a link?? Are there other similar abductions going on? Is there a gang who are interested in three year old girls?"

    Is this true - does any one know? I don't remember ever hearing about it. But in mho the story should have warranted international press and maybe if the news would have gotten out, Madeline would not be missing now!

    It appears that there is tension between the local community and the Britons over the way things are being handled. I would caution that we should be very skeptical of everything we read in the press, particularly when there is so much chaos going on.

    My thoughts and prayers to Maddie - I hope you are back with your family soon and in the meantime that you are being looked after with care.

    Salem
    WOW!!! This is a good reason why every Hotel in the world should have a big sign that says:
    "DO NOT LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN UNATENDED FOR ANY REASON, WE HAVE QUALIFIED BABYSITERS".
    Maybe some people come from areas where leaving their children when they are asleep is safe, Maybe some people are very naïve.
    Right now we must pray for this beautiful 4 year old little girl to come home safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by char22 View Post
    WOW!!! This is a good reason why every Hotel in the world should have a big sign that says "DO NOT LEAVE YOUR CHILDREN UNATENDED FOR ANY REASON, WE HAVE QUALIFIED BABYSITERS". Maybe some people come from areas where leaving their children when they are asleep is safe, Maybe some people are very naÔve.
    Right now we must pray for this beautiful 4 year old little girl to come home safely.
    Yes, but people everywhere are naive in their own ways. We go to hotels quite frequently here in the State's with our daughter's soccer team. Our coaches have had to call special parent meetings multiple times because parents were letting small and pre-teen kids walk through the halls unattended, even though a few were together - just because there were a few other families and adults on the floor they knew. Everyone likes to think everyone else is watching (I don't know for what). They are - but they aren't always the good guy's. I posted earlier about the car window decals we see all the time with the kid's names on them for the whole world to know. If someone is stalking a family, the CHILD, it's not going to take long for them to have enough information to be able to take our children without a whisper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDiem View Post
    Yes, but people everywhere are naive in their own ways. We go to hotels quite frequently here in the State's with our daughter's soccer team. Our coaches have had to call special parent meetings multiple times because parents were letting small and pre-teen kids walk through the halls unattended, even though a few were together - just because there were a few other families and adults on the floor they knew. Everyone likes to think everyone else is watching (I don't know for what). They are - but they aren't always the good guy's. I posted earlier about the car window decals we see all the time with the kid's names on them for the whole world to know. If someone is stalking a family, the CHILD, it's not going to take long for them to have enough information to be able to take our children without a whisper.
    I agree with you people are naive in their own way. And it is so sad that people become mindful only after bad things happen. Signs in Hotels remind people to be mindful, I think.

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    UK police ask for tourist photos in hunt for girl

    LONDON (Reuters) - Tourists who stayed at the Portuguese resort where 4-year-old Madeleine McCann was abducted were urged on Monday to hand over any holiday photographs which might contain clues to the British child's kidnapper.


    British detectives would use advanced facial recognition software to scan the pictures and pass on any useful information to Portuguese police.
    British police said they wanted pictures from anyone who had been at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz or the surrounding area in the two weeks before Madeleine's disappearance on May 3.
    "Look at your prints and see if there are, for instance, people in the background of the picture that at first you may not have noticed," said Jim Gamble, Chief Executive of the police Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.
    "These are the pictures we want," he added.
    "By taking in pictures from the public we can move the investigation forward -- looking for people who might seem out of place or behaving strangely."



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    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448 View Post
    Jeana....did Ireland get TO'd or banned?

    I just want to understand, and for others who 'watched' this happen, why you took such measures? I am assuming becuase she was PERSONALLY attacking you and it wasn't her opinions. WS is FOR freedom of speech. But we DO NOT attack EACHOTHER. We work TOGETHER. We may not always agree, and everyone's different views and talents is what makes this world go around.

    I think this may be a good time for everyone to read the TOS about attacking the post and not the poster.

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    Jeana, if I assumed wrong in why the 'bye bye'...delete this post
    First of all, admin doesn't discuss other posters. Secondly, we can disagree without attacking one other. I gave her SEVERAL chances to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spazkat9696 View Post
    I agree, this more than likely would not have happend if the children were not left alone. However, I think that point has been established, and people need to focus on the fact that a little girl is missing. She is either very scarred right now or worse, and even though I do not support the parents actions what's done is done. Stop bashing the fact they left the children, and start worrying about where this girl is. One more fact, I hate to think about is I read the father checked in on the children at 9:30 and she was gone when the mom looked in on them at 10:00. I hate to say it, but could the father be involved in this? Could he have done something to her, and gotten rid of the body? Or even worse, could he be involved in some type of pedo ring? I know many won't like that idea, but has he been looked at? When ever a child goes missing under mysterious circumstances I always look at the parents. Yet, for some reason that's not happening here. I bet if the wife ws the one missing every one would be all over the husband. Why does it
    seem everyone is just taking his word? Just my thoughts.

    Spaz, I had mentioned this a while back and really got no response. Is it possible that the parents are involved. I would pray not but, it would not be the first time. I hope that the police are not so focused on Mr. Murat that they miss something significant. My other thougt is would it have been possible for Maddie to have gotten out of the room herself and drowned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDiem View Post
    Ireland bated Jeana into a confrontation for whom knows what reason. I knew this was coming yesterday when she took a post Jeana made days ago, resurrected it out of the blue, commented with personal insults and a few other's followed with the commentary or back pat's. Ireland's comments there were over the line, (and other's often didn't jive with those of our other international posters or facts reported through the media). She accussed Jeana one page back of "attention seeking" when Ireland was the one whom started the recent debate. I think she deserved what she got.

    I don't agree with Jeana's view on the parents, but I agree with the action she took with regard to this poster. I would hope if it was anyone of us bated like that, the action would be the same.
    Thank you.

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    Jeana, I, too, want to say thanks for whatever it was you did with Ireland. He/she was just outrageous and looking for trouble...we don't need that anywhere, but especially not on a thread about a missing little girl.

    Thanks, too, for all you do here, you and all the other mods.

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    I have been quietly reading along with this thread and watching the news.
    I know the parents are not considered suspects; but, I have to say I am not able to fully understand the actions of the parents and therefore have some doubts. It is inconcievable to me that two such educated, worldly and non nieve seeming parents would leave two such young children alone. Saying they were checking on they hourly is rediculous. To me that equates too putting your two year old in a bath tub and leaving him unattended and saying I peaked in every 5 minutes. It is more then just unacceptable behavior I find it unbelievable. This does not mean it isn't true but until the wearabouts of Maddie are known I am afriad I can not assume the parents are innocent in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjak View Post
    I have been quietly reading along with this thread and watching the news.
    I know the parents are not considered suspects; but, I have to say I am not able to fully understand the actions of the parents and therefore have some doubts. It is inconcievable to me that two such educated, worldly and non nieve seeming parents would leave two such young children alone. Saying they were checking on they hourly is rediculous. To me that equates too putting your two year old in a bath tub and leaving him unattended and saying I peaked in every 5 minutes. It is more then just unacceptable behavior I find it unbelievable. This does not mean it isn't true but until the wearabouts of Maddie are known I am afriad I can not assume the parents are innocent in this.

    mjak
    Mjak...I'm so glad you said this. I don't really think the parents did anything to Maddie, but the longer this drags on with no resolution I can't help but wonder about Gerry and Kate McCann.

    I noticed on the Madeleine website that the parents have an entire schedule of how they are spending their days, typed out. Why? How is it that they have the time, presence of mind, or interest in writing something like this out? If I were in their shoes, I'd be unable to think straight, much less care about the world knowing everything I'm doing at every hour of the day, in the midst of such hell. Maybe it's in response to all the criticism they've received about leaving the kids alone that night, but it just seems weird and out of place to me.

    Just my .02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by englishleigh View Post
    Jeana, I, too, want to say thanks for whatever it was you did with Ireland. He/she was just outrageous and looking for trouble...we don't need that anywhere, but especially not on a thread about a missing little girl.

    Thanks, too, for all you do here, you and all the other mods.

    Thanks. I can put up with discussion, but I will not, nor will I allow anyone else here to be attacked like that. When it comes to children and their safety I have no sympathy for parents who put their needs first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP) View Post
    Thanks. I can put up with discussion, but I will not, nor will I allow anyone else here to be attacked like that. When it comes to children and their safety I have no sympathy for parents who put their needs first.
    JEANA: OFF TOPIC: I mised you

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    Quote Originally Posted by englishleigh View Post
    Mjak...I'm so glad you said this. I don't really think the parents did anything to Maddie, but the longer this drags on with no resolution I can't help but wonder about Gerry and Kate McCann.

    I noticed on the Madeleine website that the parents have an entire schedule of how they are spending their days, typed out. Why? How is it that they have the time, presence of mind, or interest in writing something like this out? If I were in their shoes, I'd be unable to think straight, much less care about the world knowing everything I'm doing at every hour of the day, in the midst of such hell. Maybe it's in response to all the criticism they've received about leaving the kids alone that night, but it just seems weird and out of place to me.

    Just my .02.
    I was ducking because I was sure my post would end up insighting anger in people and they would be bashing me. I don't really believe the parents are involved but based on the unbelivability of there actions I feel they should not be written off as innocents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP) View Post
    Thanks. I can put up with discussion, but I will not, nor will I allow anyone else here to be attacked like that. When it comes to children and their safety I have no sympathy for parents who put their needs first.
    Jeana You are really special. You are kind, diplomatic & firm. You remind me of my House Mistress in boarding school. Very loving , witty & understanding...but no excuses is you forgot the rules.
    As far as children are concerned I remember walking on the beach with my three year old son on a holiday w/e. He stopped to pick up a shell & got turned around in the busy maze of feet. I got my Dad & went in opposite directions asking everyone if they had seen a little boy in red swim trunks. Soon a young man told me he had seen a lil kid crying & going in the opposite direction. We found him within 5mins picked him up hugged him to death & went back to the rest of the group. My Dad who looked as scared as he could be said " Good quick thinking ,you are a good parent" But if we hadn't found him really quickly he probably may have drowned! I still get goosebumps thinking about it. You need mins. or secs. NOT hrs. Sorry OT but you are right! & thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by englishleigh View Post
    Mjak...I'm so glad you said this. I don't really think the parents did anything to Maddie, but the longer this drags on with no resolution I can't help but wonder about Gerry and Kate McCann.

    I noticed on the Madeleine website that the parents have an entire schedule of how they are spending their days, typed out. Why? How is it that they have the time, presence of mind, or interest in writing something like this out? If I were in their shoes, I'd be unable to think straight, much less care about the world knowing everything I'm doing at every hour of the day, in the midst of such hell. Maybe it's in response to all the criticism they've received about leaving the kids alone that night, but it just seems weird and out of place to me.

    Just my .02.
    If I were them, I would also be quite concerned about the safety of my other children and would not endanger them by letting the world know our every move!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita Richman View Post
    If I were them, I would also be quite concerned about the safety of my other children and would not endanger them by letting the world know our every move!
    VERY GOOD POINT!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjak View Post
    I was ducking because I was sure my post would end up insighting anger in people and they would be bashing me. I don't really believe the parents are involved but based on the unbelivability of there actions I feel they should not be written off as innocents.

    mjak
    No, you're right. Their actions led to this situation, so I think they bear watching, as well as deserve sympathy....but I find their "daily schedule" just plain weird. My husband said he thinks they are "getting into being in the limelight", so to speak...

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    Quote Originally Posted by englishleigh View Post
    Mjak...I'm so glad you said this. I don't really think the parents did anything to Maddie, but the longer this drags on with no resolution I can't help but wonder about Gerry and Kate McCann.

    I noticed on the Madeleine website that the parents have an entire schedule of how they are spending their days, typed out. Why? How is it that they have the time, presence of mind, or interest in writing something like this out? If I were in their shoes, I'd be unable to think straight, much less care about the world knowing everything I'm doing at every hour of the day, in the midst of such hell. Maybe it's in response to all the criticism they've received about leaving the kids alone that night, but it just seems weird and out of place to me.
    Just my .02.
    I really think the parents were very naive, educated does not make someone sharp it only makes them book wise. NOT mindful.
    I said on another post here that I have very educated relatives whom I used to fight with regularly when they came to the US and did the same thing; they do not do it anymore to my knowledge. They wanted to teach their kids to be free not fearful. It drove me nuts, and I fought till I won.
    As for the schedule I GUESS it could be two fold they probably need it to know what to do next, because their minds must be in a maze. Or they often work with a schedule also known as Anal Retentive. Why on a web site??? Scary Dumb.

    Again. Keeping on blaming these poor people is not bringing that beautiful little girl home.

    I read that now the police are checking for guest photos that may have some suspects in the background. NOW? This happened 2 weeks ago, most of those guests are long gone. I am afraid for her, especially since it is said that two weeks prior there was another attempt to snatch a child.
    There must be someone out there that knows the area, the premises and how to get around. I wonder what kind of photos they can get from surveillance cameras; I have not heard anything about that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by char22 View Post
    I really think the parents were very naive, educated does not make someone sharp it only makes them book wise. NOT mindful.
    I said on another post here that I have very educated relatives whom I used to fight with regularly when they came to the US and did the same thing; they do not do it anymore to my knowledge. They wanted to teach their kids to be free not fearful. It drove me nuts, and I fought till I won.
    As for the schedule I GUESS it could be two fold they probably need it to know what to do next, because their minds must be in a maze. Or they often work with a schedule also known as Anal Retentive. Why on a web site??? Scary Dumb.

    Again. Keeping on blaming these poor people is not bringing that beautiful little girl home.

    I read that now the police are checking for guest photos that may have some suspects in the background. NOW? This happened 2 weeks ago, most of those guests are long gone. I am afraid for her, especially since it is said that two weeks prior there was another attempt to snatch a child.
    There must be someone out there that knows the area, the premises and how to get around. I wonder what kind of photos they can get from surveillance cameras; I have not heard anything about that at all.
    I am not blaming the parents at all. As far as I know they are innocent. what I am saying is I believe they need to be kept under an umbrella of suspicion due to the questionable behavior they describe at the time their child went missing. They maybe Nieve but their life cirumstances as portrayed by the media does not lend its self to a picture of Nievite. If this couple were living in some remote island somewhere with a population of 50 and no crime its concievable to me their actions might just represent there cultural norms. However, this is not the case of this couple. They are both in a profession that has involved them seeing the vonerability of the human being in many areas. They know the fragility of life and the dangers of the world. They know better then to leave babies alone. People often do stupid things that they no better then to do and that might very well be the case here. However, it can not be overlooked that this behaior is judgmental poor at best and reckless at work and there is every reason to believe these parents new better. They do have my sympathies but just they same I have to hold on to suspicon about them.

    mjak

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjak View Post
    I am not blaming the parents at all. As far as I know they are innocent. what I am saying is I believe they need to be kept under an umbrella of suspicion due to the questionable behavior they describe at the time their child went missing. They maybe Nieve but their life cirumstances as portrayed by the media does not lend its self to a picture of Nievite. If this couple were living in some remote island somewhere with a population of 50 and no crime its concievable to me their actions might just represent there cultural norms. However, this is not the case of this couple. They are both in a profession that has involved them seeing the vonerability of the human being in many areas. They know the fragility of life and the dangers of the world. They know better then to leave babies alone. People often do stupid things that they no better then to do and that might very well be the case here. However, it can not be overlooked that this behaior is judgmental poor at best and reckless at work and there is every reason to believe these parents new better. They do have my sympathies but just they same I have to hold on to suspicon about them.

    mjak
    Mjak; I would have never done that not even when mine was born 40 years ago, when the world was a different place to raise children. Nor do I understand people doing that.
    What I said about my relatives whom I fought with because they did the same thing, THEY ARE DIPLOMATS not from a small island but in a city. Naiveté does not only grow in Islands, HONEST.
    I feel for them and I am sorry they have to learn to be mindfull from such tragedy.
    Frankly I'd like to see the police do better.

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    The only reason I can see for their schedule to be posted is a calculated attempt by someone acting as their PR Rep to try to repair their reputation to the public by showing them as "responsible" parents. If you notice, it is all about how well they are taking care of their other children and all the "normal" activities they are involved in with them while still helping with the investigation. Even the photos suggest to me this is definitely a public relations ploy. I say too little too late, but I honestly believe it is their feeble attempt to change public opinion to try to possibly avoid charges in the future or use in their defense.
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    You could be right SS.....but as you said too little too late

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