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    What if there was no ransom letter?

    Ok, in my opinion, an IDI. But I go back and forth sometimes. I can see where all yall RDI's are coming from. I think Patsy wrote the letter, but did not necessarily kill Jon Benet. I still haven't come up with a good reason why Patsy would manipulate the scene and stage the "ransom letter", not having killed JonBenet.
    But what if there was no letter left? What do you think would have happened? Would everyone be so focused on the Ramseys? Ok, if IDI, and Patsy had gone to wake JonBenet up and not found her, then called 911 to say that her child was missing...would they have searched the house for JonBenet? Would they have maybe considered that a pedophile got her?
    If RDI and no letter was left, would that have worked out better for them?


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    If there was no fiber or other evidence,yes I think so,b/c as far as that note goes,Patsy might as well have just signed it, "Love,Patsy".
    But that would also depend on their behavior,as such, it's so obvious they're not really trying to find any killer,and never were.Even bf the note was released,I was,as everyone else was too..baffled as to why they weren't angry.It just didn't fit in with being innocent.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57


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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanEyes View Post
    Ok, in my opinion, an IDI. But I go back and forth sometimes. I can see where all yall RDI's are coming from. I think Patsy wrote the letter, but did not necessarily kill Jon Benet. I still haven't come up with a good reason why Patsy would manipulate the scene and stage the "ransom letter", not having killed JonBenet.
    But what if there was no letter left? What do you think would have happened? Would everyone be so focused on the Ramseys? Ok, if IDI, and Patsy had gone to wake JonBenet up and not found her, then called 911 to say that her child was missing...would they have searched the house for JonBenet? Would they have maybe considered that a pedophile got her?
    If RDI and no letter was left, would that have worked out better for them?

    If Patsy woke up and found her child gone, you have to ask whether the house would be searched?


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    The Rs needed the ransom letter to explain how their daughter ended up dead in their basement. Without it, all suspicion would have fallen directly onto them...instead of on them and some anonymous kidnapper supposedly representing a foreign faction.

    The RN didn't do them much good anyway - FBI spotted it as bogus and suspicious right off. They knew they'd be finding a body. French didn't open the wine cellar door when searching the basement early that morning because he was searching for an entry/exit for the kidnapper - had he been searching for a missing child, he would have opened that door and found her right away.

    I can't believe they didn't search the house top to bottom regardless of whether an RN was found or not. The fact that they claim not to have searched leads me to believe they already knew she was dead in the wine cellar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter View Post
    The Rs needed the ransom letter to explain how their daughter ended up dead in their basement. Without it, all suspicion would have fallen directly onto them...instead of on them and some anonymous kidnapper supposedly representing a foreign faction.

    The RN didn't do them much good anyway - FBI spotted it as bogus and suspicious right off. They knew they'd be finding a body. French didn't open the wine cellar door when searching the basement early that morning because he was searching for an entry/exit for the kidnapper - had he been searching for a missing child, he would have opened that door and found her right away.

    I can't believe they didn't search the house top to bottom regardless of whether an RN was found or not. The fact that they claim not to have searched leads me to believe they already knew she was dead in the wine cellar.
    Of course they knew...one of them would have been tearing that house apart, while the other one was calling 911...(and all of their friends). And then after the 911 call, and the phone -a- friend calls....the other one would have helped in the search. It wouldn't have taken them so long to find her, if an intruder had of really killed her, because the house would have been turned upside down, by the Ramsey's AND their friends. They would have probably found the body BEFORE the cops arrived....I mean, IF there had of been a REAL intruder. Even if I had gotten a note, saying that my child had been kidnapped....(which technically means...taken out of the house)....my time STILL would have been spent tearing the house apart...just in case. Shoot...what ELSE did the Ramsey's have to do, after they had called everyone over for a block party? Besides sitting on the couch, surrounded by all of her friends, and taking a walk down memory lane, while looking at photos of JB.....every single one of them, would have been searching that house....inside AND OUT. NOPE...they knew where she was ALL ALONG. I am 110 % sure of it...(so I am not even going to end this with an IMO).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Of course they knew...one of them would have been tearing that house apart, while the other one was calling 911...(and all of their friends). And then after the 911 call, and the phone -a- friend calls....the other one would have helped in the search. It wouldn't have taken them so long to find her, if an intruder had of really killed her, because the house would have been turned upside down, by the Ramsey's AND their friends. They would have probably found the body BEFORE the cops arrived....I mean, IF there had of been a REAL intruder. Even if I had gotten a note, saying that my child had been kidnapped....(which technically means...taken out of the house)....my time STILL would have been spent tearing the house apart...just in case. Shoot...what ELSE did the Ramsey's have to do, after they had called everyone over for a block party? Besides sitting on the couch, surrounded by all of her friends, and taking a walk down memory lane, while looking at photos of JB.....every single one of them, would have been searching that house....inside AND OUT. NOPE...they knew where she was ALL ALONG. I am 110 % sure of it...(so I am not even going to end this with an IMO).
    right on Ames,I'd said b/f that I have a relative w/ bpd,well,I knew he'd ran off (several times actually),and wasn't there,but I was still frantic and tearing thru the house,looking for every little thing he might have taken that could give me a clue as to where he might have gone..ripping the house apart and turning it upside down,inside and out.
    The R's are in just no way believable,and I don't buy the old excuse of everybody acting differently,bc there are some things you do without question,and not being **passive** is one of them !!
    As far as looking at the pictures,that's something ppl do after the death of a loved one,bc they feel like the pics are one of the few things they have left of them,and they become very treasured mementos(I wonder how many Aunt Pam carted out of the house..I suspect they were one of the things the R's didn't want to leave behind in case they decided to skip the country).
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57


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    Quote Originally Posted by JMO8778 View Post
    right on Ames,I'd said b/f that I have a relative w/ bpd,well,I knew he'd ran off (several times actually),and wasn't there,but I was still frantic and tearing thru the house,looking for every little thing he might have taken that could give me a clue as to where he might have gone..ripping the house apart and turning it upside down,inside and out.
    The R's are in just no way believable,and I don't buy the old excuse of everybody acting differently,bc there are some things you do without question,and not being **passive** is one of them !!
    As far as looking at the pictures,that's something ppl do after the death of a loved one,bc they feel like the pics are one of the few things they have left of them,and they become very treasured mementos(I wonder how many Aunt Pam carted out of the house..I suspect they were one of the things the R's didn't want to leave behind in case they decided to skip the country).
    I know alot of pro-Ramsey posters that say "well, they DID think that it was a kidnapping. So whats the use of them searching the house?" But, I say, "so the h*ll what!" They still could have looked for her....JUST IN CASE. They could have searched outside, and all around the house....(John spending ...and I quote from his interview...."30 seconds" outside, checking on a door, does NOT count!) They should have been scouring the place....and what is funny....is that not only did the Ramsey's (and their friends) NOT look for JB, they didn't even search the house for clues. Now....what does THAT tell you?? They should have been turning that house upside down, looking for HER...AND for CLUES! But no....they think that its more "productive" to sit and go down memory lane....looking at pictures of a child...that "supposedly" could still be alive. Yeah...now THAT does everybody alot of "good"....doesn't it. They sure were making themselves "USEFUL". Sorry, but...if my child had of been kidnapped...I wouldn't have been able to sit still, not for a MINUTE. And I know that some pro-Rams will say..."well, maybe they didn't want to disturb any evidence". And I say....bull...hockey. The Ramsey's not wanting to disturb evidence??? And these are the same people that ripped off tape from their dead child's mouth, tried to untie the wrist ligature and picked her up and carried her upstairs and laid her on the floor, and then fell across the body!!!!! Yeah, right...they didn't want to disturb any evidence!?!?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter View Post
    The Rs needed the ransom letter to explain how their daughter ended up dead in their basement..
    Ransom note does no such thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter View Post
    The RN didn't do them much good anyway - FBI spotted it as bogus and suspicious right off.
    Any FBI agent at the secene that morning failed to control a crime scene they had every reason to take over. I still wonder why such a power hungry organization steped back on that fateful morning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter View Post
    They knew they'd be finding a body. French didn't open the wine cellar door when searching the basement early that morning because he was searching for an entry/exit for the kidnapper - had he been searching for a missing child, he would have opened that door and found her right away.
    HOGWASH! How would French know the layout of the Ramsey basement on his frist trip downstairs? How would he know which door was which? Lets face it theres no good excuse for anyone R or LI not to have looked in that room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuisanceposter View Post
    I can't believe they didn't search the house top to bottom regardless of whether an RN was found or not. The fact that they claim not to have searched leads me to believe they already knew she was dead in the wine cellar.
    The only question is which "they" knew she was down there. LI or R's.


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    I'm not sure how they could have known she was already dead in the basement. Unless things went down VERY differently from what we know. Either someone from LE was there when she was killed (extremely unlikely), the Rs called their high-powered political cronies who called the LE before any officer was sent and they were ordered to pretend it was a kidnapping or they were told immediately upon arriving at the R home that morning, and ordered to pretend it was a kidnapping. We already know that very early that day, the DAs office was TOLD by a higher power to "treat those people like victims and NOT as suspects. One thing the latter scenario explains is why there wasn't more shock and horror when a dead JBR was brought up from the basement. To be honest, since none of us were there, we base our opinion on what happened that day and who did what and who reacted how on the testimony of a few people- LA primarily, and the "breakfast club" of R friends and supporters invited in that morning. None of them are really forthcoming about a whole lot. And LA now has "amnesia".
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    Ransom note does no such thing.
    Not for lack of trying.

    Any FBI agent at the secene that morning failed to control a crime scene they had every reason to take over. I still wonder why such a power hungry organization steped back on that fateful morning.
    They had a lot of reason to play it safe.

    Lets face it theres no good excuse for anyone R or LI not to have looked in that room.
    I think that was NP's point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4sure View Post
    Ransom note does no such thing.
    Any FBI agent at the secene that morning failed to control a crime scene they had every reason to take over. I still wonder why such a power hungry organization steped back on that fateful morning.
    HOGWASH! How would French know the layout of the Ramsey basement on his frist trip downstairs? How would he know which door was which? Lets face it theres no good excuse for anyone R or LI not to have looked in that room.
    .The only question is which "they" knew she was down there. LI or R's.
    4Sure.

    The FBI did arrive and JonBenet had been found. Since it was now a murder and not a kidnapping, their services had to have been ASKED for. They were told by Eller I believe, "no thank you". Also fyi, when Agent Wood ARRIVED ON THE SCENE he checked out the basement and on his way out, he said "look at the parents". John Ramsey swears the FBI was not there that morning. Why would Ron Wood lie? He wouldn't. John just needs a reason not to take a lie detector test administered by the FBI and this is it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanEyes View Post
    But what if there was no letter left?
    No part of the body staging pointed to an offender from outside the home, the RN is what did that. Without it, Patsy would have been dead in the water.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanEyes View Post
    Ok, in my opinion, an IDI. But I go back and forth sometimes. I can see where all yall RDI's are coming from. I think Patsy wrote the letter, but did not necessarily kill Jon Benet. I still haven't come up with a good reason why Patsy would manipulate the scene and stage the "ransom letter", not having killed JonBenet.
    But what if there was no letter left? What do you think would have happened? Would everyone be so focused on the Ramseys? Ok, if IDI, and Patsy had gone to wake JonBenet up and not found her, then called 911 to say that her child was missing...would they have searched the house for JonBenet? Would they have maybe considered that a pedophile got her?
    If RDI and no letter was left, would that have worked out better for them?
    But, we have to go on facts...and there WAS a ransom note left.

    On FFJ, Jayelles posted a quote by an FBI Handwriting expert...he said that the note was bogus...which we already know...but, he also said the quote below....and truer words have never been spoken.

    "When there's a note at the Ramsey residence, there shouldn't have been a dead child. When there's a dead child at the residence, you shouldn't find a note," he said. "It's totally stupid."

    So, probably if the fiber evidence wasn't found...and there had been no note...then the Ramsey's wouldn't STILL be under an umbrella of suspicion. BUT...there WAS a note...and a dead girls body left inside of the house....which, in the FBI'S handwriting expert's words....is "totally stupid".
    "This time we get it right."


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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanEyes View Post
    If RDI and no letter was left, would that have worked out better for them?
    I think it would have. I think as time goes by and especially after John dies, the overwhelming consensus will be that there was no intruder. The ransom note will be one of the major reasons.

    The ransom note should have landed Patsy in jail and would have in most communities. The ransom note is really outrageous. I assume one of the reasons it was written was so there would be something to hand the police when they arrived. If JonBenet had really been missing, an empty bed would have been enough.

    On a side note...

    I saw Dominick Dunne's show last night about Claudine Longet. The show had a great quote, "when celebrity comes in the front door, justice goes out the back". You can add wealth and status to that in Boulder. That farce was 20 years earlier but still in Colorado!!! Thirty days in the hole for killing a guy, but folks, the skiing is great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanEyes View Post
    If RDI and no letter was left, would that have worked out better for them?
    Most children found dead from violence in their home die at the hands of a parent. The abscence of a ransom letter wouldn't cast a lot of doubt in my mind.

    A normal ransom letter ("We have your daughter. No cops. Stay by the phone.") really would have. I'd still be scratching my head and going, "Why did they kill her and leave her in the basement?" but I would be far more likely to give Patsy and John the BOD.


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