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    "personal hygeine" of JB

    There have been posts here and there about Jonbenet being douched now and again or something like that.... do we know where this came from, if it's fact? I don't know where / when I read it, or why I didn't jump all over that info.... because it would certainly seem beyond odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    There have been posts here and there about Jonbenet being douched now and again or something like that.... do we know where this came from, if it's fact? I don't know where / when I read it, or why I didn't jump all over that info.... because it would certainly seem beyond odd.
    ColoradoKares...a poster here, that lived in Boulder the same time as JB and her family...says that she knows someone personally that knew the Ramsey's ....that said that JB was douched on a regular basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    ColoradoKares...a poster here, that lived in Boulder the same time as JB and her family...says that she knows someone personally that knew the Ramsey's ....that said that JB was douched on a regular basis.
    It makes no sense. why would a 6 year old need to be douched? It could be the reason for infections... but certainly not something that anyone would suggest to help with them. Do you think it's reliable information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    It makes no sense. why would a 6 year old need to be douched? It could be the reason for infections... but certainly not something that anyone would suggest to help with them. Do you think it's reliable information?
    Yep, I think it is, CK wouldn't lie about it.

    It seems that she was douched as punishment for wetting and soiling herself. The housekeeper said that she used to hear JB screaming in the bathroom...(and Patsy would be in there with her). It probably just started out as something that she would do for extra cleansing...when JB wet or soiled herself. But, she probably got the idea....to tell JB that she was going to KEEP on getting the douching treatments, as long as she continued to wet and soil herself.
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    Well there is no wonder why she got infections then.
    Do you think that she could have gotten douched for wetting or soiling that night? Perhaps they were in JB's bathroom, maybe JB's flashlight was in there also. JB wasn't holding still because she didn't like it and it was hurting, Patsy clocked her hard with the first thing she could reach, maybe the flashlight... and maybe a couple of times. Her hymen could have ripped a little more and caused bleeding, and causing the pain and JB's crying. After she clocked her, JB went down.
    Wasn't there soiled underwear in her bathroom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    It makes no sense. why would a 6 year old need to be douched? It could be the reason for infections... but certainly not something that anyone would suggest to help with them. Do you think it's reliable information?
    Vinegar douches or baking soda douches used to be a home remedy. I'm not saying this is what happened in JonBenet's case but I can see a mother passing an old-wive's-tale remedy down in the family. It was once a common practice. Feminine hygiene mist seems to have replaced the practice. I can't imagine doing that to a child but I know some people who have.

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    Yea but it's a commonly known fact that douching often cause infections.
    Who does that to a six year old who still has a hymen (and should have had one more intact)?
    You know she didn't make her own home remedy. She bought the boxed kind from the store.
    I wonder now if JB ever was even sexually abused. Was the trauma that may have been seen from douching? Anything that you shove up there will cause tearing of the hymen and whatever else.
    The paintbrush could just have been used to cover the fact that Patsy saw blood from the douching... thus getting the finger pointing the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Vinegar douches or baking soda douches used to be a home remedy. I'm not saying this is what happened in JonBenet's case but I can see a mother passing an old-wive's-tale remedy down in the family. It was once a common practice. Feminine hygiene mist seems to have replaced the practice. I can't imagine doing that to a child but I know some people who have.
    It is hard to imagine and although that is strongly what was believed to be taking place "corporal cleaning" believe this was happening , becausen of where I learned about it from. Unless you are on the same side of the door the screaming is coming from....how do you swear it? But many credible in the know sourcesbelieved this occured I p ersonally did not know the Ramseys,but with what I do know I believe it credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    Well there is no wonder why she got infections then.
    Do you think that she could have gotten douched for wetting or soiling that night? Perhaps they were in JB's bathroom, maybe JB's flashlight was in there also. JB wasn't holding still because she didn't like it and it was hurting, Patsy clocked her hard with the first thing she could reach, maybe the flashlight... and maybe a couple of times. Her hymen could have ripped a little more and caused bleeding, and causing the pain and JB's crying. After she clocked her, JB went down.
    Wasn't there soiled underwear in her bathroom?
    Now thats a thought...I believe that there was some soiled underwear inside of some inside out pants on her bedroom floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares View Post
    It is hard to imagine and although that is strongly what was believed to be taking place "corporal cleaning, and I fir once believe this was happening cause of where I leard about it from. Unless you are on the same side of the door the screaming is coming from....how do you swear it? But many credible in the know, eem ti find this credible.
    I had wondered what "corporal cleaning" was. I thought maybe it was an enema. (That is speculation only!)


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    I don't want to get too graphic, but if she was unhappy and uncomfortable with this procedure she would be yelling. If Patsy got angry and told her to quiet down before she woke her brother... but Jonbenet wouldn't... maybe she whacked her a couple of times. If that applicator was inside of her when she went down (or if she had been really struggling) it might have caused bleeding.... this being something that Patsy would cover for later with the paintbrush... after wiping her clean with a washcloth.
    Upon the whack with the flashlight, she hit her head on something on the way down to cause the other fracture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    I don't want to get too graphic, but if she was unhappy and uncomfortable with this procedure she would be yelling. If Patsy got angry and told her to quiet down before she woke her brother... but Jonbenet wouldn't... maybe she whacked her a couple of times. If that applicator was inside of her when she went down (or if she had been really struggling) it might have caused bleeding.... this being something that Patsy would cover for later with the paintbrush... after wiping her clean with a washcloth.
    Upon the whack with the flashlight, she hit her head on something on the way down to cause the other fracture.
    yep,I'd thought about that,could be,Thomas states he thinks something similar occured,(it's in his book),and he believes she was being corporally cleaned.(although it was the result of bedwetting).but with her shirt collar being twisted,and the knuckle abrasions on her,it would seem she was being forced to stand up and be still,probably in the bathroom?that would also along w/ Patsy saying she had flashbacks of JB screaming.Some kind of struggle occured.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57

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    I read that books SO long ago. I have ADHD and cannot remember books after I read them. My husband laughs at me because I can watch "Golden
    Girls" over and over and over again..... and not realize that I have seen the episodes a hundred times.
    Ok, so I am coming upon a whole scenerio of what I think happened. But before I share it with all of ya.... do we know which pants were on the bathroom floor with the soiled underwear? And do we know for fact which pants she was wearing that night? The only difference it really makes is if she changed when she got home that night.
    That poor little girl....
    And as a side note, I don't think she was ever sexually abused.... the douching applicator is what left the various stages of trauma and the scarring. The paint brush was used to try to cover it up after the fact.
    The physical abuse from Patsy and the enabling from John was bad enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armywife210 View Post
    I don't want to get too graphic, but if she was unhappy and uncomfortable with this procedure she would be yelling. If Patsy got angry and told her to quiet down before she woke her brother... but Jonbenet wouldn't... maybe she whacked her a couple of times. If that applicator was inside of her when she went down (or if she had been really struggling) it might have caused bleeding.... this being something that Patsy would cover for later with the paintbrush... after wiping her clean with a washcloth.
    Upon the whack with the flashlight, she hit her head on something on the way down to cause the other fracture.
    This is exactly what I believe. I was thinking about it last night, and you beat me to it. I believe that the paintbrush insertion was done to hide the fact that she had been douched, and thats where the injury intially came from...the douching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMO8778 View Post
    yep,I'd thought about that,could be,Thomas states he thinks something similar occured,(it's in his book),and he believes she was being corporally cleaned.(although it was the result of bedwetting).but with her shirt collar being twisted,and the knuckle abrasions on her,it would seem she was being forced to stand up and be still,probably in the bathroom?that would also along w/ Patsy saying she had flashbacks of JB screaming.Some kind of struggle occured.
    I have to agree with ST....I think that this is what happened. And I really do believe that she was being douched, as punishment for wetting or soiling the bed. I believe too...that she probably wet or soiled her pants during the day also...and that she was being punished for doing that too. Patsy probably even told her...."as long as you wet yourself...I am going to keep doing this".
    "This time we get it right."

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