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    Exclamation NV-Jon R. Van Dyke, Las Vegas, 19 May 2005 - #1

    This poster joined my forum Lighting the Way Home, however, we deal with GA and sister states, I thought it best to move this case here and see if you sleuthers can help her!


    Searching for missing husband, USMC (ret) MSGT Jon R. Van Dyke - Missing since May 19, 2005

    Jon R. Van Dyke has been missing since May 19, 2005. He ran an errand on lunch break from work at CitiGroup Command Center on W. Sahara in Las Vegas, NV -- never returned to work or home.

    I am Jon's wife of 26 years (24 years when he disappeared) and I am begging for anyone that has info to please turn it over to me or law enforcement.

    Thank you!











    http://www.myspace.com/missing_jon_van_dyke
    http://www.reintjes.us
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    info?

    Quote Originally Posted by christine2448 View Post
    This poster joined my forum Lighting The Way Home, however, we deal with GA and sister states, I thought it best to move this case here and see if you sleuthers can help her!


    Searching for missing husband, USMC (ret) MSGT Jon R. Van Dyke - Missing since May 19, 2005

    Jon R. Van Dyke has been missing since May 19, 2005. He ran an errand on lunch break from work at CitiGroup Command Center on W. Sahara in Las Vegas, NV -- never returned to work or home. . .
    Do you have info about the route he should have taken to get where he was going on the errand that day? And does anyone know how far along on that route he got before disappearing? If he was drving was there any place he could have run off the road in an accident and just not been found yet?

    Has he ever had a prior history of just taking off? Has he ever even spoken of just leaving?

    (ETA: I see from this pic that I found online it would appear he has a computer.)
    http://www.reintjes.us/Picture%202.jpg

    Does he chat online or have a myspace page or a live journal account?
    Or do emails? (if so someone needs to look in the sent folder of his email if it has not been deactivated.)

    Has there been any activity on his credit cards or other bank cards?

    Was the family expecting a new child?

    Had any changes happened to his life recently? (within 6 months prior to his disappearance?)

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    Most of your questions can be answered by visiting http://www.reintjes.us

    No, we were not expecting a baby. We were enjoying the empty nest!

    There has been no activity on credit cards, credit reports, email accounts, etc.

    No, Jon never spoke of just leaving. We were at a great time in our lives. 24 years of marriage at the time he disappeared.

    Thanks!

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    Where was the vehicle found? Was there any sign of anythign out of the ordinary?

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    thanks for the response

    Quote Originally Posted by deskside View Post
    Most of your questions can be answered by visiting http://www.reintjes.us

    No, we were not expecting a baby. We were enjoying the empty nest!

    There has been no activity on credit cards, credit reports, email accounts, etc.

    No, Jon never spoke of just leaving. We were at a great time in our lives. 24 years of marriage at the time he disappeared.

    Thanks!
    Thanks for patiently answering. I had already found the website when doing a websearch but had not yet read the info there, just saw the pics. Thank you for your patient responses. Did he have any nicknames? Sorry -I am still reading all the info at the website so if the answers are there just ignore the question

    I am reading about the phone calls and am hoping I will read they were traced.

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    just an opinion or two so far

    Ok, I have read the info. I went through it very quickly and so I may need to go over parts of it again sometime. It sounds as if you never got to view the security tape of the individual that may or may not be him.
    If an atty. says you have a right to view the tape/s then you should legally fight to see them.

    From your website info it also sounds as if he had a flat and then saw something that was very unsafe about the car tire or brakes when he went to work on it (or maybe he found dope in the wheel well.) Perhaps he went to the rental place and did something uncharacteristic and chewed their tales about it, maybe even threatened to go to the police or take other legal action that might hurt the pocketbooks or freedoms of those individuals there and perhaps if anything bad happened to him it was then and there. However that is only my first impression of the info I have just read. I really need to think about things awhile.

    The main problem with such a scenario is the may 31 phone
    call. Now, if someone was thoughtful enough to plan ahead a bit they might have had him make a recording and then played the tape on the phone later to throw you off the search and to make it appear to L.E. that jon was a runaway. The problem is that that I do not know if he actually responded to questions on the phone in that call or if he just stated a message in monotone voice and then the phone call hung up, the website was not really clear on that to my reading. If he used monotone in that may 31st call I wonder if there was anything in the rhythm of his words that might have spelled out sos in morse code or the number address of the building he was in or anything dramatic like that.

    Also the tape having not yet been seen by the wife is another questionmark.

    If jon was IT he probably has the skills to hide & stay hidden if had started a new life and I am not overlooking that possibility even if it is unpopular with some. . . . . .but in this case so far there seems to some info to cause me to look at the possibility of foul play.

    After my admittedly overly quick reading of the website info I am unclear what L.E. says about this case so far.

    My mind is still open concerning this case and my opinions may change as evidence comes to light or old evidence is better explained.

    Note: I edited to delete part of my post until I have time to think things through a bit more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BethInAK View Post
    Where was the vehicle found? Was there any sign of anythign out of the ordinary?
    The vehicle was found at the Suncoast Hotel and Casino in valet parking three months later. Budget went over the car instead of law enforcement. Supposedly it was clean but there were possessions of mine in that car that they should have found. Budget fears a lawsuit from me so even if they found something they would never let me know. Suncoast sits right down the street from Budget.

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    What an interesting case.

    I'll take a moment to put some flyers up today at work here in TX. I know it's not much, but I work at a large university and you never know...maybe someone has seen him or knows him.

    Maybe he has amnesia or dissociative fugue? Did he look well kept on the cameras that caught a picture of him in June 05?

    Can you reveal what you think was in the glove box of the car?

    The cell phone he was using was never recovered, correct? What was the name/brand/color of the cell phone? You might want to list that on the flyers and website as well. Does the cell phone have GPS capability so that it can be located?

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    See responses below: (And, thanks for looking into this!)

    Quote Originally Posted by docwho3 View Post
    Ok, I have read the info. I went through it very quickly and so I may need to go over parts of it again sometime. It sounds as if you never got to view the security tape of the individual that may or may not be him.
    If an atty. says you have a right to view the tape/s then you should legally fight to see them.

    RESPONSE to above quote: I have no money for legal recourses. I've lost two homes and was homeless. This case is so complicated that any attornies I sought out didn't want to take the case on.

    From your website info it also sounds as if he had a flat and then saw something that was very unsafe about the car tire or brakes when he went to work on it (or maybe he found dope in the wheel well.) Perhaps he went to the rental place and did something uncharacteristic and chewed their tales about it, maybe even threatened to go to the police or take other legal action that might hurt the pocketbooks or freedoms of those individuals there and perhaps if anything bad happened to him it was then and there. However that is only my first impression of the info I have just read. I really need to think about things awhile.

    RESPONSE to above quote: Ok, that is a scenario I hadn't thought of ... Jon found something in the rental car. I've always felt that there was a chance Budget played a part in this but I wasn't sure why ... what the motive would be.

    The main problem with such a scenario is the may 31 phone
    call. Now, if someone was thoughtful enough to plan ahead a bit they might have had him make a recording and then played the tape on the phone later to throw you off the search and to make it appear to L.E. that jon was a runaway. The problem is that that I do not know if he actually responded to questions on the phone in that call or if he just stated a message in monotone voice and then the phone call hung up, the website was not really clear on that to my reading. If he used monotone in that may 31st call I wonder if there was anything in the rhythm of his words that might have spelled out sos in morse code or the number address of the building he was in or anything dramatic like that.

    RESPONSE to above quote: The call was not a recording but my daughters feel that he was being forced to say the things he said. They are all adults and bright young woman. If there was a rhythm I don't know I would have thought my military daughter would have picked up on that so I would say probably no SOS in the rhythm anyways. The call did have so many discrepancies in it ... alarms going off so to speak.

    1. He asked for the search to be called off but the only way he would have known about a search is if he had seen the TV station interview my daughter, Mary. On the call he was surprised/confused to hear that my daughters were in Vegas. The interview was clearly done in Vegas.

    2. He kept saying over and over again, "Take care of Mom." He repeated that many times.

    3. He said I could divorce him if I wanted and that he would be by in a couple days to sign the papers. a) He knew I didn't have money to hire a lawyer; b) He knew it would take longer than a couple days to get papers drawn up since we own two homes; c) He knew there was a small IRS lien on one of our homes; d) He never showed up to sign the papers that were never drawn up; e) He was too good of a parent to lay something like that on our children...he wouldn't have done that of his own accord. f) He wouldn't have left me in the desert working a part-time telecomuting job and no transportation; g) He was surprised/confused to hear the car was listed as stolen [Budget had told us they would list it as stolen -- this went on for months and they continously failed to get it listed as stolen even when they told us time and time again they would.] --- All I get out of that phone call is fear, fear he'd never see us again; fear that he wasn't going to make it through whatever was taking place.


    Also the tape having not yet been seen by the wife is another questionmark.

    RESPONSE to above quote: Yep, big question mark for me too.

    If jon was IT he probably has the skills to hide & stay hidden if had started a new life and I am not overlooking that possibility even if it is unpopular with some. . . . . .but in this case so far there seems to some info to cause me to look at the possibility of foul play.

    RESPONSE to above quote: This is man who doesn't even drive over the speed limit. This is man who has always clearly been responsible, you don't have two retirements under your belt if you're a lowlife. And, it's a little hard for someone with two retirements to just walk away. If he was starting a new life he'd have to be a kept man and I can't see him being a kept man. A MSGT a kept man I don't think so. He prided himself on his work and the salary he was making. Besides, I love him dearly but he's not that great of a catch to be a kept man.Where would he have met this person?...We were always together. He was rarely on the internet at home because we were so busy redoing our new home. At work he was in a Command Center, no cubicles all open screens ... quite hard to start an affair online that way!


    After my admittedly overly quick reading of the website info I am unclear what L.E. says about this case so far.

    RESPONSE to above quote: The detective goes with the theory that Jon started a new life but he has nothing to back that up other than the phone call and the dubious sighting in a CA casino. The detective never bothered to come meet me even though he knew I had no transporation. All I heard from him was how many cases he has on his desk. It's just a nice, neat little package for him to say Jon started a new life that way he didn't have to deal with it.

    My mind is still open concerning this case and my opinions may change as evidence comes to light or old evidence is better explained.

    Note: I edited to delete part of my post until I have time to think things through a bit more.

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    Hi Maureen,
    I had more time to go over your website and I have new questions:

    So, you haven't seen the video in the casino? Thats just bizarre. Who else could positively identify him? Who has prevented you from doing so?

    Was Jon concerned about finances at this time - the IRS lien, etc? He sounds like a man who very much wanted to take care of his family. Is it possible he left because he thought it would somehow help you- that he felt responsible for the financial issues and thought that by leaving he would somehow take the blame and you would be 'better off'. while obviously thats not so, it might be the thinking of someone whose broken under stress.

    Jon is a vietnam vet. Could there be a chance of Post traumatic stress disorder? Its quite common in wartime veterans.

    And for the budget car rental people: What was jon angry about when he was in the rental place? Why was he angry?

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    No, I haven't seen the video from the casino. LE deems it's not necessary. Why would a man who thought his rental car was listed as stolen, and is himself very technically savvy, stand in front of a camera or go to a casino where he knew cameras were everywhere?...bizarre. Either it wasn't him or it was a big scream for help.

    We've been through financial problems before (we raised 6 kids) I just don't think that would make him run as he would know that would even further compound the problem. In fact at that particular time I was going to go find a full-time postion (I was working a part-time telecomuting position) and he didn't want me to find full-time work. If things were that bad he would have been like "Hey, it's time, I need help." When I went to one of these tax places, after Jon went missing, to get help they laughed at me, they were like "Honey nobody comes in here for that small amount of money!" They helped me though! Also, Jon was so excited about our new home, it was one he picked out and he put so much care into redoing it why would he run from it? Your talking about a person with 2 retirements, wife making pretty good part-time money and had the potential for making quite a bit more ... he knew that any financial problems were only temporary.

    Yes, Jon is a Vietnam vet but the ones that stayed in the military faired much better than the ones that got out right away. Jon retired from the military.

    Budget never told me why Jon was angry. So uncharacteristic of him to display anger out in public like that.

    Thanks!

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    "Amnesia or dissociative fugue" these are mental states I've thought about. He was not well and he could have stroked leading to amnesia. He also had a horrendous childhood and I don't think until he met me and became a part of my large family did he ever feel totally secure with himself. In my family he had a father and mother figure that he had never had before and the closeness and love of brothers and sisters. He could walk into any of their homes and feel comfortable and loved. He even lived with my sister and her husband for a couple months during one of our moves. They loved having him there and he loved being there. If his childhood came back to haunt him then dissociative fugue could certainly explain his disappearance.

    The glove box was a psychic prediction. I don't put much weight into it but on the outside chance they may be right I threw it out on the website. Also, I had possessions in that glove box .... but according to Budget the car was clean....yea, right.

    The cell phone was never found and there is a picture of it on the web. There was GPS capability but according to our drunk PI who contracted out most of the work the signal was to weak because the technology was too old. This was my phone that I got for Jon and it was on my account. There was no activity on it after the one phone call. I had it listed as stolen in I think it was August of 2005. But the drunken PIs person he contracted talked to Jon at that number in December 2005. Didn't happen. The phone rang busy from August on as I checked it weekly. It's now completely turned off as I needed to drop it off my account.

    That would be great if you could put flyers up .... I so appreciate it!

    Maureen

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    deckside,

    I just read over your website. My heart aches for you. My dad was in the Marines in Korea. I don't know if this makes much sense, but I just KNOW how former Marines are, you know? I don't think your husband just up and left out of the clear blue. There's honor and fidelity in a Marine's blood. I'm sure there's an exception to that rule, but from the way you talked about him and his actions---it's just there.

    I've got some questions. I'm going to go back through your "scenarios" section and pull up some of your quotes, then follow up with a question.

    *Shortly after the casino incident Alisa received a call that clearly disturbed her. Someone called her cell and there was silence. *

    Is there a way that that Verizon could tell where the nearest cell phone tower was that the call was placed from? Wonder if a company would have records of its pings this long after.


    *When I called Budget to let them know Jon was missing this guy that answered the phone could not pull Jon up in the database and he was acting very nervous and not working with me at all. I went to Budget in person and a young woman there looked at the picture of Jon and said she remembered him because he was so "angry" when he was in there. Jon never gets angry with people. He would walk out of the store grumbling under his breadth but I have never seen him lose his composure in public, he was very non confrontational. *

    It sounds to me like the girl working in the office was the only one at Budget on the up and up. Question is, what COULD make him that ticked off? Further down you talk about duct tape and fix-a-flat---if the flat caused damage to the car, maybe Budget told him that his personal insurance or renters insurance wouldn't cover the cost of the damage? And he thought he'd be liable? Silly question, but where the duct tape and fix-a-flat were found, were there any signs of an accident?

    Reason I ask this is from personal experience. We were moving from FL to NY and I was following behind my husband (at the time) in our pick-up. All of the sudden, it was like I was driving through a meteor belt. Turns out the front wheel blew, and did it with such force that it took out the front wheel well. So a "simple" blown tire ain't always that "simple".

    Sometimes it's the simple things when you're at the end of your rope that make you snap. Maybe Jon snapped. I when I mean snapped, I don't mean that he just said "heck with this life" and took off----I mean mentally.

    I'm wondering, without quoting a particular part, if Budget didn't report the car as stolen because they knew it wasn't stolen. This is way into supposition, but say he did get the tire changed and go back there and they took the car back. There's damage to the car and Jon is hurt. They know that it's their fault---maybe someone over-inflated the tire or didn't check something properly---so Jon leaves pissed and disoriented, and they hustle the car into a repair shop.

    Do you still have any of that particular car's info? Could you maybe check the local paint and body shops and see if that particular car has been fixed there?

    Bear with me here. . . . .

    *He was so excited that my sister and her husband were coming in June to visit that he busted his butt getting the house ready for their visit.*

    *He was very upset when Pope John Paul died. And, one of the last conversations he had with one of our daughters, before he disappeared, was when Terri Schivo died .... he was very upset about that.*

    *Jon had been working hard to secure a loan for the pool and he had just gotten approval that we were to sign on the day after he disappeared *

    *One night in January, February, or March of 2005 (I don't remember now the exact month.) Jon and I were awoken by what was clearly a gun shot. *

    It sounds like Jon had a lot on his plate. These things that were marked events and happenings that affected and concerned him could have all built up just bubbling under the surface. We all have our points when our brains scream "too much". Maybe Jon's didn't until after it was WAY too much.

    BTW, one thing that you mentioned made me think even more that he didn't just take off. I don't know why, but back to the Marines thing---those papers are like gold to them. When my father was on his death bed he made me go find those papers, show them to him to be sure I had them, then tell me to keep them in a safe place forever. And this was almost FIFTY years after he'd been a Marine. So I know why you included that into your story and how much it means.

    The gunshot thing made the think a little. I know my Pops still hunted and kept a rifle around, but some that have seen too much in the service never want to be around a gun again their entire lives. Not a BB gun--a "gun" gun. Was Jon like that? Could the gunshot been like a post traumatic trigger to him, causing him to act like he did?

    I think the whole CitiCorp weird activites is nothing but the corporate netherworld. It's all about covering your own butt, even if there's nothing to cover.

    *There was some talk that Jon had lied on a loan application and that he was going to be fired because of it. Loss of job and IRS lien combined may have sent him running. If this actually happened then I’m sure he thought he was going to loose the house and didn’t know how to tell me this. *

    Is this part BS on the part of the detective, or is this possible? Another trigger, maybe, coupled with everything else?

    *There are certainly varying stories coming out of the sheriff’s office up there. My contact told me that the film was too grainy to make anything out clearly. Next I hear and I believe it was from Detective in Vegas that the film was good quality. I was told that I could not view the video that it had to be passed from law enforcement to law enforcement hands…….the Detective wouldn’t get a hold of it for me. I later learned, from a former DA from another state, that I had every right to see that video and that more than likely the sheriff’s office didn’t want a lawsuit brought against them. I’ve later discovered that they have been hit with many lawsuits including a high profile one lending validity to the DA’s statement. *

    Have you tried talking to someone in the State Attorney's office or the Attorney General's office to see if they'd be willing to look into this particular part of the case? If your getting stalled by them, you could really step on some heads by getting their "bosses" at the capitol looking into this.

    *Why would you sign up for a casino club card if you weren’t staying there or living near there? He would have known I’d find him if he used his bank card from our joint account. He had other accounts that I didn’t have access to that he could have used instead. *

    Who signed up for this card--the supposed Jon on the video? I'm confused.

    *Why would he start a business using his SS# when he’s in trouble with the IRS? He definitely did not start a business in Vegas in 1994 …… we were living in Kansas. Jon's not a business man, he would admit that and he definitely would not know how to start his own business and run it while living in another state. If the PI thought this is his business then why didn’t he call that business and ask for him? If his name is attached to the business and his SS# is attached to the business then it most definitely is a case of stolen identity. I wouldn’t put it past the people who assumed the mortgage on our first home in Vegas (Dalegrove address) to have done something like that. *

    Did law enforcement look into this? If a company or corporation is legit, it has to be registered at the state level. Heck, even my ex's teensy lawn care business can be found online due to that. There HAS to be some kind of paper trail on this. Something else for the Attorney General's office?

    I'm sure I'll have more questions as you have answers.

    One thing I noted---the dichotomy of "take care of your mother" and the fact that you've lost two houses over this. He sounds like a man of the world---enough to know that you wouldn't be able to do everything on your own. Something is off there, bigtime. He obviously wasn't thinking clearly. And after that long of a marriage, you don't just walk away to leave someone else holding the bag. Not often, anyway.

    OH yeah! What was up with the military checks and the military pension thing? I saw that on another part of your site.













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    I have a couple of questions. Did you file a missing persons report and if so was the reaction from the police department that he walked out to start a new life and they just dropped it?

    Was Jon's bank card used at the casino? If it was, and if this is the same casino where the car was found, this could be somebody involved with Budget that set it up - got someone that resembles Jon to go in and use the bank card.

    Do you have the name of this business that Jon supposedly opened? Have you done an on-line search for it?

    It sounds like Budget may be a key to this. Did you try going higher than the local office? Actually, you shouldn't have had to - the police dept should have done this! The people at Budget could be the last people that saw Jon - they should have been interviewed by police. It sounds like the police dropped the ball on this.

    Why was Jon going to Budget that day by the way, was he supposed to be turning the car in?

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    *Shortly after the casino incident Alisa received a call that clearly disturbed her. Someone called her cell and there was silence. *

    Is there a way that that Verizon could tell where the nearest cell phone tower was that the call was placed from? Wonder if a company would have records of its pings this long after.

    My Response: Maybe, but initially when I tried to get LE to do anything with the phone I was told it was extremely hard to get the phone companies to give up any info.

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    *When I called Budget to let them know Jon was missing this guy that answered the phone could not pull Jon up in the database and he was acting very nervous and not working with me at all. I went to Budget in person and a young woman there looked at the picture of Jon and said she remembered him because he was so "angry" when he was in there. Jon never gets angry with people. He would walk out of the store grumbling under his breadth but I have never seen him lose his composure in public, he was very non confrontational. *

    It sounds to me like the girl working in the office was the only one at Budget on the up and up. Question is, what COULD make him that ticked off? Further down you talk about duct tape and fix-a-flat---if the flat caused damage to the car, maybe Budget told him that his personal insurance or renters insurance wouldn't cover the cost of the damage? And he thought he'd be liable? Silly question, but where the duct tape and fix-a-flat were found, were there any signs of an accident?

    My Response: I'm clueless as to why Jon would have been that mad at Budget. I never thought about the car being damaged. I think Jon would have called me first if there had been damage. There were no signs of an accident where the duct tape and fix-a-flat were found.
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    It sounds like Jon had a lot on his plate. These things that were marked events and happenings that affected and concerned him could have all built up just bubbling under the surface. We all have our points when our brains scream "too much". Maybe Jon's didn't until after it was WAY too much.

    My Response: Actually for us that wasn't a lot on our plates. Jon was enjoying working on our home. It was the first time we could work on a home without babies and teenagers and phones ringing. It was fun, hard work, but fun and we were working side by side to get things done.
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    Could the gunshot been like a post traumatic trigger to him, causing him to act like he did?

    My Response: I don't think a gun shot would trigger post traumatic stress syndrome in Jon. He's been around enough gun shots since the war after all he spent 20 years in the USMC and he had the expert markmanship medal. He saw something that night.
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    I think the whole CitiCorp weird activites is nothing but the corporate netherworld. It's all about covering your own butt, even if there's nothing to cover.

    My Response: I'm in total agreement on that one ... LOL. But to the PI this was a sign of loyalty to Jon that his coworkers wouldn't talk. They couldn't talk they were directed not to but he didn't quite understand the corporate world.
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    *There was some talk that Jon had lied on a loan application and that he was going to be fired because of it. Loss of job and IRS lien combined may have sent him running. If this actually happened then Iím sure he thought he was going to loose the house and didnít know how to tell me this. *

    Is this part BS on the part of the detective, or is this possible? Another trigger, maybe, coupled with everything else?


    My Response: I have no idea, I can't see Jon lying on an application. But, with that said there has come up a development recently pointing to stolen identity. It may not have been Jon lying but data gathered may have made it look like Jon was lying. It's too early on on this revelation to know for sure but I'm trying to get LE reopen Jon's case and investigate this. If Jon thought he was going to lose his job he would have told me right off and he would have quit. Why ruin a perfect work record? He would have told me because I ran a nationally known job club for many years and my contacts are many plus our daughter is an IT Recruiter. No, he would not have kept that from me because he would have kicked into networking mode real fast.
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    *Why would you sign up for a casino club card if you werenít staying there or living near there? He would have known Iíd find him if he used his bank card from our joint account. He had other accounts that I didnít have access to that he could have used instead. *

    Who signed up for this card--the supposed Jon on the video? I'm confused.


    My Response: Yep, the supposed Jon on the video signed up for the card but this is coming from the PI's "contacts" and those haven't been very believable/reliable yet. But, if it's true then why would a man who thought he was wanted for a stolen car sign up for a casino card? Makes no sense.
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    *Why would he start a business using his SS# when heís in trouble with the IRS? He definitely did not start a business in Vegas in 1994 ÖÖ we were living in Kansas. Jon's not a business man, he would admit that and he definitely would not know how to start his own business and run it while living in another state. If the PI thought this is his business then why didnít he call that business and ask for him? If his name is attached to the business and his SS# is attached to the business then it most definitely is a case of stolen identity. I wouldnít put it past the people who assumed the mortgage on our first home in Vegas (Dalegrove address) to have done something like that. *

    Did law enforcement look into this? If a company or corporation is legit, it has to be registered at the state level. Heck, even my ex's teensy lawn care business can be found online due to that. There HAS to be some kind of paper trail on this. Something else for the Attorney General's office?

    My Response: This may be tied to the stolen idenity that has just come into play.
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    OH yeah! What was up with the military checks and the military pension thing? I saw that on another part of your site.

    My Response: Jon's military retirement check quit comming in direct deposit to the bank in July of 2005. I had notified the military that Jon was missing and when the checks stopped coming I assumed that this was because the military was holding the checks. I recently found out that they should never have stopped. I did recontact the military when they stopped and told them to make sure that if the check is being mailed or deposited other than our address or bank account that they need to look into exactly who is getting it. I never got a reply back. His military records have not been changed from our address in Vegas but I'm not sure about whether or not the bank info was changed. Why would he change one retirement and not the other? If someone has/had Jon they would have his military ID and they would know he was getting a retirement check, they wouldn't know that he was also getting a retirment check from Sprint.

    I hope this answered some of your questions! Thanks for taking time to care!

    Maureen

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    Yes, I filed a missing person's report but it was yanked after the phone call. Yes, LE thinks Jon just started a new life.

    Yes, Jon's bank card was used at the casino in June in an Indian casino in California. I saw it come through immediately. I then found a document online that told me where the ATM was located. This was not the casino where the car was found in August. The car was found at the Suncoast in Las Vegas just down the street from the Budget.

    JV Services is the name of the company. I cannot find anything on it.

    I did go high in Budget .... I contacted Cendant. I agree the police should have done this but I think all they did was go off the phone call and off the PI's report that I've shot holes all through. Immediately after I contacted Cendant is when the bank account started getting hit at random by Budget, whenever they felt like it.

    Jon was going to Budget that day to make a payment, I believe, but I don't see where that payment was ever made. I know definetely that he was headed to Budget.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deskside View Post
    My Response: Jon's military retirement check quit comming in direct deposit to the bank in July of 2005. I had notified the military that Jon was missing and when the checks stopped coming I assumed that this was because the military was holding the checks. I recently found out that they should never have stopped. I did recontact the military when they stopped and told them to make sure that if the check is being mailed or deposited other than our address or bank account that they need to look into exactly who is getting it. I never got a reply back. His military records have not been changed from our address in Vegas but I'm not sure about whether or not the bank info was changed. Why would he change one retirement and not the other? If someone has/had Jon they would have his military ID and they would know he was getting a retirement check, they wouldn't know that he was also getting a retirment check from Sprint.
    Maureen,
    This is probably your best area to start searching for information. Are the checks still being cashed? where are they going? As jon's wife you are entitled to money from his military retirement and should be able to nag the military to find out what is happening to this money.

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    Hi Maureen-

    I'm so sorry that you are in this situation. Jon's case is very intriguing to me. I think it's going to be my new pet case to solve. When I get a chance I'm going to read very carefully through all of you website. For now I just have two questions:

    1) I didn't see any mention of tatoos. Every USMC that I've ever met has a few Did Jon have any?

    2) The gunshot intrigues me. I take it from the site that the gunshot occured outside of your home. How close to your home did it occur? Were you in a neighborhood or did you have a little/lot of land surrounding your home. Where were you living at the time?

    I'm sure I'll have a ton more questions for you soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCMom View Post
    Hi Maureen-

    I'm so sorry that you are in this situation. Jon's case is very intriguing to me. I think it's going to be my new pet case to solve.



    Thank you TC!

    I knew I could count on y'all!

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    Hi, after reading the info thoroughly I have a few questions. I am in California thus the questions are directed to this state area

    First off, what Indian casino was he supposedly seen in?
    Secondly, what alias names did you joke about etc, these are more important than people think sometimes. and they are extremely helpful in finding missing people.
    Thirdly, when the couple was mentioned that JOn knew that owned a campground in CA, where might that campground possibly been located? ANy info at all that you have about this could certainly be relevant.

    SInce I am in CA, these things are surrounding my location and I can post fliers etc, but more importantly can research things in question, given enough info.

    Blessings to you, others care!

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    No, Jon didn't have any tatoos ... amazing huh? LOL. We just aren't a tatoo family!

    The gunshot happened near our Vegas home. I'm not sure how close it was to our home must have been very close. We lived in a neighborhood and no there was not a lot of land around us. We had a street on one side of us, a street in front of us, another house on the other side and a beautiful firestation in a park like setting behind us.

    Thanks for your help!

    Maureen

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    Responses

    First off, what Indian casino was he supposedly seen in?

    My Response:
    The casino was in Coarsegold, CA .... the name was Chuchanski, I'm not sure I spelt this correctly as I would need to pull out the file to get it correct!
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    Secondly, what alias names did you joke about etc, these are more important than people think sometimes. and they are extremely helpful in finding missing people.

    My Response:
    The aliases were just mispellings on junk mail. There were so many of them J. Vandy, Jon Van, Jon Vandyk, JV Van, etc., just mispellings.
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    Thirdly, when the couple was mentioned that JOn knew that owned a campground in CA, where might that campground possibly been located?

    My Response:
    The couple that own the campground no longer own the campground and haven't owned it in years. We just talked with them recently and they haven't seen Jon since the late 80's and were upset and shocked to hear that Jon was missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InterestedNHelping View Post
    Hi, after reading the info thoroughly I have a few questions. I am in California thus the questions are directed to this state area

    First off, what Indian casino was he supposedly seen in?
    Secondly, what alias names did you joke about etc, these are more important than people think sometimes. and they are extremely helpful in finding missing people.
    Thirdly, when the couple was mentioned that JOn knew that owned a campground in CA, where might that campground possibly been located? ANy info at all that you have about this could certainly be relevant.

    SInce I am in CA, these things are surrounding my location and I can post fliers etc, but more importantly can research things in question, given enough info.

    Blessings to you, others care!

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    thank you for answering all those questions! the more we know the better our efforts can be! It is good that you have contacted the couple that owned the campground, that rules that out. Coursegold I know the area, it is very remote area, I have relatives that live in that area (outside that area) and there are miles and miles of nothing there, scattered ranches.

    I asked about the alias', in following a theory (that seems less likely but needed research none the less) that I know someone who also had laughed with their wife over the silliness of the 'junk mail' until it was discovered that he got credit in these names, and subsequently had various affairs...(sorry , just a thought)
    I also wonder about the Budget car thing, it does seem like they had a scam for money going, and it came to the forefront by accident because of Jon maybe, it seems an accidental coincidence, or possibly not. Your story has so many possible avenues, I will need to sleep on it a few days to see what else comes to mind. Jon looks so familiar, but I do so many missing person cases, that is probably why. I find it might be relevant that he 'disappeared' at 59 years old exactly or nearly...(is this relevant to you as to his insurances or his retirements?) is that the right age?
    His story seems to be similar to me, as to other people, most that relate are monetarily motivated, some are affair related...but it seems that the gunshot incident was a warning to Jon for something, and in Vegas, there are so many unscrupulous variables, it is hard to make the connection to what it could be.
    This is an option, not a pretty one, (Im sorry but it needs to be looked at, considering Las vegas) and I suggest you do NOT look at their website, however, in Las Vegas, the coroner's office is excellent at matching UIDs and families,(they have alot in that county) if that might be a possibility. You need a dental record or DNA but you might need to do this, to rule out this possibility, I am sorry to say.

    Will keep thinking and working on this, the more people that research the better~
    Love to you...

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    Yes, Jon was 59 when he went missing. The 59 doesn't hold anything important to me that I can think of off the top of my head.

    I don't think Jon would have opened up credit under an alias. He just wasn't in to breaking the law. Plus there are a lot of retirements these days that can be taken away from you if you are convicted of a felony. Jon wouldn't risk that one.

    And, Jon having an affair and running off from his entire family is about the lowest scenario on my list. The person would have had to been a complete stranger to him. Like I said before we were always together. Jon's no saint, LOL, I just know where we were at in our relationship at that point and had Jon been having an affair he wouldn't have had me move to Vegas, risked losing 2 homes, a job, and left me stranded with no transportation. If he had had an affair he would have set things up so that if it didn't work out he could come home or at least recover his job.

    I have been in contact with the coroner's office in Vegas in the past. Everytime I hear of an unidentifed body I contact them. I'm surprised they don't have a phone line that picks up an automatically says "It's not Jon!"

    Arizona is getting together Jon's military health records for an unidentified they have there. Timing is right on this one and the reconstruction bears a faint resemblance to Jon. But, who knows I'll just have to wait and see on that one.

    I believe Jon is dead as nothing would keep him away from me, his daughters and our grandson other than death. If not death then he has suffered a total split with his personality or is suffering from amnesia.

    Whatever way this story ends, knowing what happened is much better than limbo. You don't have to worry about broaching any sort of scenario you come up with to me. My Irish anger might rear up for a moment but I'll think it out and mull if over and discard if I think it doesn't fit or applaud you if I think you're on to something. You're not dealing with a fragile woman here. I'm one of the most solid people you will ever meet. I'm tired of scenarios though, I need facts!

    Thanks for researching this, everybody on here is amazing!

    Maureen

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    I understand that Irish there, LOL... I want to PM you, I have a question better left private

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