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  1. #16
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    Well thanks for being there. I agree it is very frustrating not hearing about any 'lab' results....I do believe that the lab usually takes longer than 3 months....I could be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by closeobserver View Post
    I was there and made a donation. How did it go?

    I still wish that they would hurry up and bring the kids before the Grand Jury before school starts. It appears obvious that this is the only way they are going to get some info from them. Also, still frustrated that nothing has been said about the infamous "lab results due any day".
    Hi Close,

    When does school start in Illinois?

    Yeah, how about thoses lab results. Back on July 30th, it was reported that Chief Bennett expected to receive important lab results from the state crime lab in the coming days.
    http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=34446@wbbm.dayport.com

    I wonder if there wasen't enough blood to work with. If not; can't they a least perform a mitochondrial DNA to see if it matches Lisa's mothers' DNA. Man, this waiting is a bummer. I can only imagine how it is for the family......
    Keeping The Faith......

    Peace


    "Hope" is the thing with feathers-- That perches in the soul-- And sings the tune without the words-- And never stops--at all-- Emily Dickenson

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    I thought I'd share a post I did on another forum under the name Someone because it got over 2300 views, and it was copied to another forum with a large readership: Here it is:

    The 800 pound gorilla

    I don't know how to put this in a way that won't upset some people, but again, this is a forum and this is my thought:

    If an animal that looks like a duck walks through my back yard, quacks at me and then flies away, should I doubt it was a duck because I can't prove it? Perhaps I was wrong. I should just be open minded that it could have been anything, but for me to call it a duck is irresponsible because I have no proof.

    There is an 800 pound gorilla in the room. While it is possible that what we think is the gorilla is a fat hairy man, while someone shaved a gorilla, put him on a diet and dressed him up as a person. Maybe we should ignore the gorilla in the hopes that he will become like one of us. But my guess is that eventually the gorilla will display his true nature in the future. And I'm a little afraid of an 800 pound gorilla. Personally, I'd rather see that gorilla removed from the room for the safety of everyone in it. Perhaps I'm wrong. Then my apologies. I'm not above humbling myself, asking for forgiveness, and inviting that person back into the room. I'm sure that eventually that person would realize that, while I was wrong, I was trying to protect the others in the room that I love.

    Besides, it's not as if this gorilla is trying to look like a non-gorilla. Sometimes my children lie to me and many times I can't prove it, but I know. I know that the majority of the people that read these posts feel pretty strongly about what happened. I have never said that, without any doubt, I absolutely know what happened. I have always expressed the fact that it is possible I'm wrong, just as when my children tell me they are not lying. I give them the benefit of doubt regarding punishment, but I still have a strong feeling in my heart that I'm right. And my wisdom is usually right.

    But I'm afraid of what an 800 pound gorilla may do again in the future. If, again if, the majority of the people are right, we know this particular gorilla would have the capacity to be very calculating and deliberate, could strike from the same room, and not be discovered again.

    But I guess I should look the other way and hope I'm wrong about the gorilla in the room. Let's just wait and see what happens because I can't prove that it's a gorilla.

    Look before anyone says anything about double jeapordy stuff. I'm not saying let's be stupid and provide a legal hook to be free. But let's at least consider that this gorilla is not even trying to look like he's not a gorilla.

    Now if you automatically assume I'm talking about C.S., you are as guilty as I am for making assumptions. I never said that, did I? Anyone that thinks I'm talking about C.S. understands the "gorilla in the room".

    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, I'm putting my money on the fact that it probably is a duck. But I could be wrong. That's okay with me because I like my odds. My apologies to the duck if it turns out to be a flying dog, but I can't help feeling what I feel based on wisdom, experience, and the power of observation. While not 100%, it is right more often than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByTheBay View Post
    Hi Close,

    When does school start in Illinois?

    Yeah, how about thoses lab results. Back on July 30th, it was reported that Chief Bennett expected to receive important lab results from the state crime lab in the coming days.
    http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=34446@wbbm.dayport.com

    I wonder if there wasen't enough blood to work with. If not; can't they a least perform a mitochondrial DNA to see if it matches Lisa's mothers' DNA. Man, this waiting is a bummer. I can only imagine how it is for the family......
    School starts next Thursday

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByTheBay View Post
    Hi Close,

    When does school start in Illinois?

    Yeah, how about thoses lab results. Back on July 30th, it was reported that Chief Bennett expected to receive important lab results from the state crime lab in the coming days.
    http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=34446@wbbm.dayport.com

    I wonder if there wasen't enough blood to work with. If not; can't they a least perform a mitochondrial DNA to see if it matches Lisa's mothers' DNA. Man, this waiting is a bummer. I can only imagine how it is for the family......
    What blood? On the tarp? They already know it was Lisa's. There was a hit in the laundry room from a cadaver dog as well. The problem with what they have in the way of blood as in any case where the victim and suspect live together is that it has to be a large enough amount for experts to swear under oathe that the victim couldn't possibly live after such an extensive blood loss. I have to assume that LE doesn't have that. Under reasonable doubt the defense can say there are many ways to account for her blood on that tarp such as a cut finger and they went camping together, etc. No way to date that blood either. My guess is that there are no forensics in the house or vehicle that can prove she was murdered there. Without a body at this point they can't even prove she's dead. If they had forensics in the house that could prove death then they would have a chance of getting a conviction without the body at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strach304 View Post
    What blood? On the tarp? They already know it was Lisa's. There was a hit in the laundry room from a cadaver dog as well. The problem with what they have in the way of blood as in any case where the victim and suspect live together is that it has to be a large enough amount for experts to swear under oathe that the victim couldn't possibly live after such an extensive blood loss. I have to assume that LE doesn't have that. Under reasonable doubt the defense can say there are many ways to account for her blood on that tarp such as a cut finger and they went camping together, etc. No way to date that blood either. My guess is that there are no forensics in the house or vehicle that can prove she was murdered there. Without a body at this point they can't even prove she's dead. If they had forensics in the house that could prove death then they would have a chance of getting a conviction without the body at least.
    I know it was "said by a source" that the blood on the tarp matched Lisa's DNA.

    I actually meant "whatever" it was that the dog hit on. LE never specified the nature of the specimen found in the house. I assumed blood.

    Regardless of what it is, I still want to hear the results.
    Keeping The Faith......

    Peace


    "Hope" is the thing with feathers-- That perches in the soul-- And sings the tune without the words-- And never stops--at all-- Emily Dickenson

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    I see what you're saying about lab results BytheBay but even with an arrest LE won't publish that info. A cadaver dog picks up a death scent so lets say he indicated a cloth, some sort of material. It wouldn't have to have blood but that scent. Then there's dna testing to see if it's Lisa's. Then there's the possibility of the dog just hitting on the floor where she may have been placed uncovered. How do they prove it? It's not an exact science anyway and with only the dogs no way they can get a conviction. I just hope they come up with something else and soon.

  8. #23
    Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching
    I think it is odd that Don Z would prefer to go to a junk site like that instead of here where people are truly interested in the case. I find that in itself very strange.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa Too View Post
    That is very strange, agreed, SS. Unless he is there hoping that someone will reveal something that would lead to a break in the case. The only other possible explanation is that he doesn't know this site exists, which I doubt.
    In actuality, neither Don Z. nor the rest of Lisa's family (or those of us who run Lisa's website) knew of this Forum, until the first few week's of August.
    It has taken us some time to also obtain passwords, screen names etc in order to respond to your many insights and questions.

    Forgive us for responding to the Voy.com folks, first...but they were the only online Forum named off in the Sun-Times Group article, back in July.
    That was what introduced us to the world of cyber-discussion (beyond our own family website)..so we have been steadily trying to visit everyone and address all the discussions which concern our Lisa Michelle.

    I will re-post here, something I pointed out on the Bravenet News-Discussions Forum, concerning the relationship between Lisa's (family) website...and all of these discussion forums. And why Don Z. and I are now trying to focus/visit each one:

    "Lisa's website (FindLisaStebic.com) was created to serve as a "Main Hub" by which information, support and coordination could take place in hopes of finding her/what happened to her.
    Support (graphic, media, planning/organization) for those who wish to organize benefits which add to the Lisa Stebic and Childrens Fund...is yet another function.

    Most of those who know, love, worked with, lived near Lisa have been working SO very hard to channel their frustration by staging benefits (car washes, pancake preakfasts, garage sales, hair cut-a-thons, raffles, etc) because they know that adding to the Reward Fund is the best way to entice someone to come forward to solve this terrible mystery.

    Now, there was a point made about LE being the main & best recipient of solid leads or tips.
    This, ultimately, would be the preferable way of furthering the investigation (tip-wise).
    But, for one reason or another, there are many individuals who do NOT feel comfortable getting directly in touch with LE....and this, unfortunately, is a truism which spans across the board in legal/criminal settings.
    Luckily, anonymous Tip Hotline's and the internet (like these forums or direct e-mails accounts) has opened up several important, for some - more palatable - ways of "floating" salient clues in a crime.
    This is why Lisa's family and those who support them are trying to pay more attention, these days, to what is going on within them.
    Some would argue that we only have a "Missing Persons" case, here, with Lisa.
    But the PPD has been plain in saying - confirming - that they believe Lisa is "missing" not of her own, free choice or will.
    This points to criminal activity...which in turns begs the need of someone stepping up and giving information/evidence as to bring an answer to: Where is Lisa Stebic !?!?!
    Even the much-anticipated report from the Crime Lab (processing current evidence) can't answer that most important question.

    So, once again, the focus must remain on the building up of the Reward Fund, the independent searches, the spreading of the word to places OUTSIDE the Plainfield, IL area...and other possibilities which may lead us to Lisa.

    So, please, go ahead..and indulge in as much informed discourse as you wish concerning the case.
    Argue the points, follow the Timeline, root out the facts...and keep the need to find Lisa, alive.
    Don Z. and I will do everything we can to keep you up with the currently-known facts of the case and try to correct erroneous assumptions being posted.

    You just will need to know that both of us have very wry senses of humor...for we have agreed that in order to "keep our heads on straight" through all of this is to choose the grins versus the tears.

    Lisa is just this same kind of personality..and it is our way of keeping her alive and with us - in all that we do! "
    Email: findlisastebic@gmail.com

  9. #24
    Wonder the reporter is up to these days??? Whose pool is she hanging out at?
    Quote Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
    She is probably hanging out with some Senator or Congressman this week. Next week, maybe it will be with a new employer...perhaps the National Enquirer?! LOL
    As stated on the Lisa's (family) website (www.FindLisaStebic.com) ...you have no idea how much Amy Jacobson wanted to get to the bottom of what happened to Lisa, on behalf of Lisa's 2 children & family...and how she has helped to spread the word to hundreds of thousands of people of Lisa's disappearance!
    She treated Lisa's sisters with exceptional sensitivity, caring and concern - much like the handling of cut-glass figurines. Yet, she was able to extract the most in-depth of interviews with those who love Lisa most.

    Amy Jacobson is an excellent investigative journalist and does NOT deserve your derision or cutting remarks.

    Someday, the "Truth will Out"...and you will see that you were shortsighted & too quick to upbraid her for her devotion to solving a terrible mystery, the mystery of what happened to Lisa!

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    AZ, courttv.com also have a forum on their message board set up for Lisa. That site gets a lot of traffic. The moderator for that one is Coldwater and she has temporarily put it on hold till some news breaks. If you e-mail her and tell her who you are and want to post there I think she would re-open it. I know there are people from the area that have posted on that board.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ News Watcher View Post
    As stated on the Lisa's (family) website (www.FindLisaStebic.com) ...you have no idea how much Amy Jacobson wanted to get to the bottom of what happened to Lisa, on behalf of Lisa's 2 children & family...and how she has helped to spread the word to hundreds of thousands of people of Lisa's disappearance!
    She treated Lisa's sisters with exceptional sensitivity, caring and concern - much like the handling of cut-glass figurines. Yet, she was able to extract the most in-depth of interviews with those who love Lisa most.

    Amy Jacobson is an excellent investigative journalist and does NOT deserve your derision or cutting remarks.

    Someday, the "Truth will Out"...and you will see that you were shortsighted & too quick to upbraid her for her devotion to solving a terrible mystery, the mystery of what happened to Lisa!
    Sorry, but excellent investigative journalists do NOT take their children to a suspect's home, take their clothes off to don a bikini, and jump in the suspect's pool in order to "extract" in-depth interviews. Obviously, her employers felt the same way or she would not have been fired for it. This not only shows "nearsightedness" on her part, it shows a complete disregard for what most consider professionalism and journalistic integrity. If I choose to make light of the fact she was so blatently irresponsible, I feel it is better than the things I could be saying about her.

    Where ARE these wonderful interviews you have mentioned? I would like to know how she went about obtaining them and am quite interested in reading or seeing them. I have not seen any real in-depth reporting in this case unless you count the reporter who went to interview the police officer who caught Craig and his father poaching...which was impressive work, IMO.

    However, I am glad you and Don Z have found our site. I feel we ask a lot of questions and bring up valid points for this investigation. We all feel Lisa's disappearance is a tragic circumstance and we would love to see her home with her children. It has been frustrating watching this case from the outside and feeling that LE is up against a mountain in solving it. I have faith that something will eventually happen whether it is through a Grand Jury or some other break in the case. At least, for Lisa, her children, and her family...I pray the answers will come.

    Most of us have a sense of humor and fully understand how important it is to "lighten" the heart in dire situations. I think it is quite healthy actually and my family is much the same way.

    Welcome to Websleuths! We are very opinionated, passionate, and caring individuals who have one thing in common...we are sick and tired of all the missing children/adults in our country and would love to find ways to prevent this from happening over and over again. If it is trying to enact new laws, start more programs for awareness, or whatever it takes...we want this to stop! We also want to bring home the missing. We honestly do care.
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

    A quote spray painted on the wall by search
    and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.



    What I post are my opinions only.

  12. #27
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    AZ NEWS WATCHER,
    If what you know would blow people away, does that mean that there's enough information to make an arrest or possibly enough to name a person of interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by philamena View Post
    AZ NEWS WATCHER,
    If what you know would blow people away, does that mean that there's enough information to make an arrest or possibly enough to name a person of interest?
    No, no arrests, yet...unfortunately, CBS2 took out a main player to possibly solving this terrible, heartbreaking mystery..before she could get the job done.

    All due to professional jealousy on the part of her competitor.

    So here we sit, waiting for lab results...and listening to the high-pitch whining of "high-minded" people who obviously have never needed to get their hands dirty...or to dive into very muddy water to save a drowning person.

    And, btw, Craig Stebic WAS named a "Person of Interest"...a day after CBS2 aired their first edited piece on Amy, 5 full days after the now-infamous "through the back-window of the neighbors house using an "extender" shots" were taken.

    The timing of the PPD's announcement was a complete coincidence.
    Last edited by AZ News Watcher; 08-22-2007 at 03:44 AM.

  14. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by philamena View Post
    AZ NEWS WATCHER,
    If what you know would blow people away, does that mean that there's enough information to make an arrest or possibly enough to name a person of interest?
    BTW, Philamena...here is the most in-depth article, to date, covering the timeline and developments in the case, up to July 12th, 2007...if you wish to be clear on the facts of the Lisa's disappearance. It was written the day that Lisa's husband - Craig - was named a "Person of Interest":

    http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_193135404.html

    CBS) PLAINFIELD, Ill. In the days after his wife was reported missing, Craig Stebic spoke to a reporter in tears, clutching a crumpled tissue and saying his wife Lisa would never voluntarily leave their two children.

    More than two months after an emotional Craig Stebic told reporters about the last time he saw his wife, Plainfield police (on Thursday, July 12, 2007) announced he's become a prime focus of their investigation.

    "Plainfield police have narrowed the focus of their investigation into the disappearance of Lisa Stebic and now consider Craig Stebic a person of interest," Plainfield Police Chief Donald Bennett said. But Bennett said the announcement does not really change anything as far as the police investigation goes.

    "Right now, we feel we've narrowed it in, and where we need to go is to focus currently our investigation on Mr. Stebic," Bennett said.

    Plainfield police say they were led to that conclusion following numerous interviews and countless hours of investigation.

    Police had previously been reluctant to name Craig Stebic as the subject of their investigation.

    They said Thursday he was the last person who saw Lisa Stebic on the evening of April 30. They also said they believe Lisa Stebic was the victim of foul play.
    Last edited by AZ News Watcher; 08-22-2007 at 05:27 PM. Reason: post a paragraph or two only of the article and include the link

  15. #30
    I don't wish to argue with anyone about Amy or how I feel about the subject. AZ~ I wish you the best in finding Lisa.

    I DO stand corrected on one point. Craig is NOT nor has ever been considered a suspect in this case. He was not considered a POI by LE until after Amy's "story" broke. (LE doesn't use that particular terminology "suspect" much anymore until an arrest is made.)
    "WE SEEK FOR THE TRUTH. WE SEEK JUSTICE.
    THE COURTS REQUIRE IT. THE VICTIMS CRY FOR IT
    AND GOD DEMANDS IT!"

    A quote spray painted on the wall by search
    and rescue workers, Team 5, at the OKC Bombing site 4-19-1995.



    What I post are my opinions only.

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