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    Not a lead, not a word, not a thing found!! How can a little girl dissapear like than from thin air.. and HOW can someone lay so low under the radar that they never get caught.

    Thinking of you always Cedrika. I keep a candle burning for you and your family.
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    4 years ago today.

    Cedrika Provencher: After four years, still no clues to girl's disappearance

    http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...b=MontrealHome

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    Such a long time has passed, and nothing. Does anyone know if they have done an age-progression?

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    Such a very long time for this little girl to be missing with no resolution. I cannot believe they were not able to find the man described.
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    This is dated March of this year. I've never seen a sketch of the suspect posted anywhere. Has anyone come across a sketch? I'm confused about the latest.

    New lead in Cédrika Provencher case

    http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/en...tryID=10366067

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    More....in french

    Apparently there is a wealthy family in Trois Rivieres whose family member may be a possible suspect. The family has hired a lawyer and are watching the media and may take legal action against the media and the family.

    The suspect drives a red Acura seen by witnesses when Cedrika went missing.

    http://www.985fm.ca/national/nouvell...pe-130222.html

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    The other girl that was approached by the possible suspect with the same MO as Cedrika's kidnapper offered to give a description so police can make a sketch but they refused saying 3 were already done and none correspond.

    The girl's description of the suspect:

    Man in his 50's

    5'9", 170 lbs

    Greying hair

    French speaking


    http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/societe/arc...30-113200.html

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    This was the original description of the suspect. It doesn't match up with the latest witness description.

    The driver is described as a white, French-speaking man of medium build with chestnut-coloured hair, between 30 and 40 years old. He was wearing Bermuda shorts, a short-sleeved shirt and sandals at the time.
    Doré said it was impossible for investigators to produce a police sketch because they are missing vital features. The suspect could have changed his appearance in the weeks that followed the kidnapping, he said.
    The Red Acura




    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...-progress.html

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    Note: The latest witness said the man approached her on a bike. This was the day before Cedrika's disappearance.

    (link up thread)

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    Please Help Find Cédrika Provencher!

    http://cedrika.org/

    5 years


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    In an effort to rule out any possible suspects, LE have checked all registered owners of 2004 Red Acura. All were cleared except one man who resides in Trois Rivieres.

    When police located the owner and questioned him about his vehicle, he told them it was stored. It was cleaned and put away in storage. They examined the vehicle but found nothing. The individual refused to take a polygraph.

    The individual has lawyered up. He told the reporter that he has been cooperative with LE and quote (translated to English)

    "I'm not interested in it, he quickly concluded. For me, this is ancient history. It has affected my life for three years, I prefer to turn the page and move on to another story. "
    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/201...e-lacura-rouge

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    Cedrika Provencher investigation.....

    2 Parts


    It recaps her case and also talks about the POI (mentioned above in my previous posts). It appears this individual with Red Acura has been LE focus.

    Enquête Cédrika Provencher (Partie 1)

    http://tva.canoe.ca/emissions/je/reportages/148281.html

    Enquête Cedrika Provencher (Partie 2) (video)

    http://tva.canoe.ca/video/1497707150001

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    Bumping for Cedrika.

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    Being from Quebec this is another unexplained mystery

    No clues, nothing!

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    They should do an age progression photo/sketch of Cedrika. Girls go through a lot of changes in the preteens. She would be 14 years old now.

    Still hoping and praying for you Cedrika. You are not forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vero1234 View Post
    Being from Quebec this is another unexplained mystery

    No clues, nothing!
    LE interviewed Claude Laroche, Natasha Cournoyer's killer. Laroche was seen in Trois Rivieres shortly before Cedrika's disappearance. I guess nothing came out of those interviews. IIRC, Laroche drove a van.

    Cedrika is still missing.

    http://tvanouvelles.ca/lcn/infos/fai...04-202936.html
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    http://globalnews.ca/news/752720/fam...disappearance/

    "Notably, Bertrand said he received information on an inmate in a Quebec prison who confessed to another inmate about being Cedrika’s kidnapper. The lawyer also said several people who talked to him, based on the client-lawyer confidentiality, had refused to go to the police for fears of reprisal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    The other girl that was approached by the possible suspect with the same MO as Cedrika's kidnapper offered to give a description so police can make a sketch but they refused saying 3 were already done and none correspond.

    The girl's description of the suspect:

    Man in his 50's

    5'9", 170 lbs

    Greying hair

    French speaking


    http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/societe/arc...30-113200.html
    I just typed up a long post in response to this but there was an error and it didn't go through. I'll try to remember the things I've said in my last post but if there are any gaps in my reasoning it's because I'm not going through the same chain of thoughts all over again.

    I wonder if it's possible that there are indeed two men with different ages and descriptions, maybe acting together.

    I found a blog post in one of those blogs where people compile information on missing persons cases, I don't know if it's ok to post here but if not maybe someone can try to dig up MSM sources to confirm or deny this. That post reported that one of the witnesses who saw one of these men was another young girl, he approached her and offered her money to look for his dog and when she said no he offered more money, he was insisting but fortunately the girl's father arrived at that moment and he went away. I wonder if this is accurate information and if so, which of the men this was and how the girl's father described him. I'm new to this case but I've reading the posts in this thread and it sounds like one of the problems in producing a portrait is that many key features were missing from the girls' descriptions because they couldn't remember them well. I assume it would be easier for the average adult to do so more accurately especially since a man harassing his daughter would have been noticeable.

    I also found this article, sorry if it's been posted: http://www.canada.com/montrealgazett...2-18b725c235c0. It says two women saw Cedrika riding her bike around the neighborhood twice between 6 and 8 PM and that she stopped to ask them if they'd seen a little black dog. It also says that when Cedrika's bike was found some people said they'd seen a group of youths but not Cedrika had left it where it was found. I also found this on a website to find her, it makes some very good points and maybe someone with more time and focus than I have right now can translate it: http://www.trouvercedrika.com/avis.html. It points out that there were no signs of a struggle and that for her to have vanished into thin air it seems likely that the perp had been watching her for some time.

    Bear with me here please, I'm just trying to process this.

    I wonder WHY the perp just allowed her to search for the dog for a couple of hours instead of immediately luring away. It makes me think they had some kind of plan, if there was more than one then maybe one could have spoken to her and left so nobody could find him again and he wouldn't be hanging around the neighborhood, then the second one shows up and kidnaps her.

    The fact that several girls were asked to help with the (fake) dog search, I think it could be a sign that more than one person was involved. It seems like a lot of trouble to monitor more than one child from a distance and figure out their routines. I think their goal all along was to take one kid so they kept trying. I suspect they were watching the girls and knew their routines because in addition to what that site above pointed out, that is the perp(s) having everything so carefully planned they leave no obvious traces, there is also the fact that they allowed Cedrika to ride around the neighborhood. IMO it seems likely they knew her curfew (some articles said 8:15 IIRC) so they let her be seen until close to that time to further confuse people.

    Another thing to consider is, if the person or people who did it were watching the girls then one person alone would need much more time to figure out their habits.

    It could also be someone working alone who was very good at lying and blending in. Someone who wasn't afraid of being suspected because they could come up with a good excuse if anyone confronted them about talking to young girls they don't know.

    I wonder what that community is like. Are there frequent outsiders visiting for whatever reason? Any inns, hotels, rest stops close by? Would it be easy for an outsider to get noticed? For instance, in some places where I've lived everyone knows everyone or almost so just being new makes you stand out, others you have to be very different-looking to get noticed. I'm asking because I think it's possible that if this was done by outsiders, they were very careful to make sure they could blend in and not attract notice.

    Maybe it could have been someone who was visiting friends or relatives, or heard about the community from a visitor or long-distance friend. I know when I'm travelling to visit relatives I'll tell my friends about my vacation and what life is like where I am. Maybe someone decided to take advantage of that knowledge. That is, if it's impossible for it to have been someone from that community or nearby.

    I'd also look into whether anyone in the area had a little black dog then or even a few years before Cedrika was kidnapped. Not saying it was that person if there is someone who did, but someone who knew about them. For example, someone could have a dog like that, then one of their acquaintances or even someone who watched them for a while decided to use a dog as 'cover', so that if anyone approached the perp he could pretend to be a friend or relative of that person.

    I wonder about the bike too, that article I linked to mentions Cedrika's bike was found and some witnesses said a group of youths (but not her) left it there. I wonder why? Were they neighborhood kids who saw a bike and decided to take it for themselves or help by putting it somewhere where the owner could find it? Why can't they figure out who these youths were so they can be asked where they found the bike? Maybe there could have been a sign of struggle, i.e. the bike left behind, but it wasn't taken as such because of it being found elsewhere. Maybe these youths had something to do with it? Someone could have paid them off to dispose of a bike, no questions asked.

    This is all my two cents, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veidt View Post

    I wonder about the bike too, that article I linked to mentions Cedrika's bike was found and some witnesses said a group of youths (but not her) left it there. I wonder why? Were they neighborhood kids who saw a bike and decided to take it for themselves or help by putting it somewhere where the owner could find it? Why can't they figure out who these youths were so they can be asked where they found the bike? Maybe there could have been a sign of struggle, i.e. the bike left behind, but it wasn't taken as such because of it being found elsewhere. Maybe these youths had something to do with it? Someone could have paid them off to dispose of a bike, no questions asked.

    This is all my two cents, obviously.
    BBM. Excellent question! If they thought they were putting it somewhere where the owner could find it, what made them think it wasn't the owner who'd left it there (in which case she wouldn't have any trouble finding it again)?
    Is it normal for that community to help yourself to a bike if you see it abandoned, or was there anything that suggested Cedrika's bike was abandoned and would not be claimed - e.g. its location, state, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~n/t~ View Post
    Please Help Find Cédrika Provencher!

    http://cedrika.org/

    5 years

    Sorry if this is daft. The link only takes me to a single post unrelated to Cedrika?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly75 View Post
    BBM. Excellent question! If they thought they were putting it somewhere where the owner could find it, what made them think it wasn't the owner who'd left it there (in which case she wouldn't have any trouble finding it again)?
    Is it normal for that community to help yourself to a bike if you see it abandoned, or was there anything that suggested Cedrika's bike was abandoned and would not be claimed - e.g. its location, state, etc.?
    BBM. That's a really good point. I have found some information I think might be relevant, from here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...e-say-1.650367

    Cédrika Provencher was last seen Tuesday evening as she rode her bike on her street in the city of Trois-Rivières, between Montreal and Quebec City.

    (...)

    The girl was last seen Tuesday at about 8 p.m. ET. She was wearing a green skirt, flip flops and a red bike helmet.

    Three teens found her bicycle on the street Tuesday night, about a half hour after she was last seen.

    The teens stashed the bike behind a garbage bin, where police found it on Wednesday, Letarte said.
    From what I think is the official website of the search: http://officialwebsite.cedrika.com/crbst_0.html

    Later on, she is seen riding her bike in the parc, on Chapais street and on Des Cheneaux street...
    Around 8:30pm, her bike is found on the corner of Chabanel and Chapais streets, leaning against a fire hydrant... Cédrika has not been seen since...
    Interestingly, that website also says that between asking people if they'd seen the dog and riding her bike in the park, that she was seen walking out of a wooded area with a man following closely behind her.

    I've also found sources like this one that mention that the dumpster where the kids put her bike was more than 1 km away.

    This brings up so many questions for me.

    a) Is the information on that site updated? Because I haven't seen the part about her being seen with a man following her anywhere else. Then again a lot of information about the case seems to be contradictory, for example the Toronto Star has an older article in which they say the person who was spotted was a woman and that the teenagers took the bike from Cedrika's house.

    b) If someone saw her and then that man, did that person notice his age? If they were close enough to recognize Cedrika then it follows they'd be able to notice how old the man looked.

    c) Why did they take the bike so far? I can think of a number of possible answers, like not wanting the neighbors to recognize a bike they'd found abandoned and taken without asking or having a friend elsewhere but I'm very curious. Also why specifically a dumpster, it sounds weird to hide anything behind a dumpster - unless they knew they were going back before the trash truck made the rounds.

    After reading more about the case, it's very strange to me that so few people saw anything unusual (the weird man/men trying to talk to kids)... most descriptions of the neighborhood mention how tight-knit it was, it sounds like an area where I lived for a while and anyone who wasn't from those parts would have stuck out like a sore thumb. Especially someone who was seen at least once talking to a child in a suspicious manner.


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