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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecat View Post
    I wonder if she saw Alice, or if she just saw a female shape in the car? You see what you expect to see. Anna could have dressed like Alice, worn a hat that shaded her face (or had a little veil - which would have been common), and passed for Alice from a distance.
    Two of the articles I've found say that the postal employee was very confident that driver was Alice. She handed Alice the mail almost every day. But I agree that you see what you expect to see, so it's possible she was mistaken about the car and/or the identity of the driver.

    By the way, I've located some pictures of Anna Kuprianova. In one picture she looks relatively attractive, but in others she doesn't look very pretty. In fact, one of her pictures greatly favors the "Wicked Witch of the West" from the Wizard of Oz, nose and all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tennessee View Post
    Was chloroform something normally kept in a house? That just seems weird.
    Supposedly the chloroform had been ordered by the Parsons to either kill a diseased squab (the story William told the druggist when he ordered it) or to clean some fabric (the story Anna told the police). The bottle was seen on a table in the Parsons' home, but the next time the police were there the bottle was gone. Neither Anna nor William provided an explanation at the time for what happened to the bottle. Later, the police hid microphones in the Parsons' home and picked up a conversation between Anna and William in which she tells him she has gotten rid of the chloroform bottle.

    I guess when you raise poultry, chloroform might be needed for diseased or injured birds, so it may not have been unusual for them to have it. But if that is the case, then why did Anna get rid of it then deny any knowledge of what happened to it??

    I'll post more about this if I find out anything further.

    I'm currently researching Anna's past, including her three ex-husbands and her claim that she was a Russian countess. It's getting quite interesting, and I can't wait to finish the research so I can post more info about her.

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    Marilyn, now that you posted that, I remember seeing it in an article. It was skimmed over quickly and I forgot about it (the chloroform, that is).

    Since these folks are killin' birds on a regular basis, wouldn't you kill a sick one just like any other? Why would you use chloroform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LisainWV View Post
    Marilyn, now that you posted that, I remember seeing it in an article. It was skimmed over quickly and I forgot about it (the chloroform, that is).

    Since these folks are killin' birds on a regular basis, wouldn't you kill a sick one just like any other? Why would you use chloroform?
    That makes sense, what's one more bird killing to people who kill birds for a living? On my list of things to research (low on the list!) is what people use chloroform for. Anna said she used it to clean fabric, but that seems pretty potent for a fabric cleaner.

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    On a hunt, I did a quick google search of chloroform as a cleaner, and found that it is used to this day as a spot dry cleaner for fabric, among other things. So that might be plausible. It's definitely a hazardous chemical, but at that time of year there would have probably been plenty of windows open. So it's plausible, I guess. I can see how they could minimize the importance of it. It definitely sounds like the local P.D. were suspicious. No wonder they moved away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluecat View Post
    On a hunt, I did a quick google search of chloroform as a cleaner, and found that it is used to this day as a spot dry cleaner for fabric, among other things. So that might be plausible. It's definitely a hazardous chemical, but at that time of year there would have probably been plenty of windows open. So it's plausible, I guess. I can see how they could minimize the importance of it. It definitely sounds like the local P.D. were suspicious. No wonder they moved away.
    What strikes me as suspicious is that Anna and William gave different reasons for why the chloroform was in the house, and both denied knowing what happened to it afterwards. Also suspicious is a conversation between the two of them, picked up by microphones hidden by the police, in which Anna tells William that she had gotten rid of the bottle.

    Thanks for taking the time to research chloroform. I never knew it was used for cleaning fabric.

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    So, I guess that they raised pigeons instead of well-bred chickens. Maybe Anna cloraphormed(sp?) Alice, dressed like Alice, drove Alice somewhere and dumped her. This could be when the lady at the post office saw her or she could simply be mistaken on the day and time.

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    Update on Alice McDonell Parsons

    It's been quite some time since I posted anything to this thread. I've been spending most of my free time researching Alice Parsons, including her family and her husband's family. I've also communicated with two of Alice's nieces and one of her nephews. My research is about 90% complete at this point.

    I now believe without any doubt that Anna Kuprianova, Alice's Russian housekeeper, and Alice's husband, William H. Parsons, Jr., conspired to kill and dispose of Alice. I still don't know for sure if it was done strictly for love (William and Anna later married) or money (Alice had just received money from her uncle's estate just two weeks before her disappearance) - most likely a combination of the two motives.

    William Parsons came from an extremely wealthy and influential family. His father owned W.H Parsons & Co., a paper manufacturing company. His uncle, Herbert, was a close friend and confidant of Theodore Roosevelt. The family socialized with the Vanderbilts, Rockefellers, and other "movers and shakers" of the day.

    Alice McDonell Parsons spent most of her childhood and early adulthood living with her wealthy maternal uncle, Timothy Shaler Williams. That uncle also paid for her brothers, Howard and Frank, to attend and graduate from Cornell University. She traveled to Europe and the Bahamas prior to her marriage.

    By all accounts Alice and William, who married in 1926 when Alice was 25 years old, had a good marriage. They had no children, and enjoyed living on their estate (Long Meadows) in Long Island as opposed to life in New York. When Anna came to live with them in 1931, she brought along her young son Roy. Apparently they all lived as one big, happy family. Anna and her son changed their last names to "Parsons" when Anna became a naturalized citizen in 1936. She claimed this was at Alice's request, but I have my doubts about this. I believe that by this time, the plan to do away with Alice had already been formulated.

    Also in 1936, Alice spent several days in California attending her brother Howard's wedding. Her husband and the housekeeper remained behind in New York, and some family members believe this may have been when the final plans for getting rid of Alice were hatched.

    Alice could have been killed the day they claimed she disappeared, or even a day or two earlier. Only William and Anna claim Alice was alive and well that morning. William claims Alice drove him to the train station so that he could travel to NYC for a meeting arranged by, who else, Anna the housekeeper. Anna claims Alice returned from the station, worked in the yard a while, then changed clothes and accompanied a "mystery couple" in their car to look at some real estate in which she owned a partial interest.

    The fact that a very thorough search was conducted of the surrounding area, without any trace of Alice being found, leads me to believe Alice was killed and disposed of prior to her alleged "disappearance". I believe Alice may have been killed in the basement of Long Meadows. It was the normal practice for the trash collectors to go down into the basement to collect the refuse, but on the day of Alice's disappearance, the trash was placed out in front of the house, and they were told they would not be allowed into the basement.

    I also believe choloroform was involved in subduing Alice. William purchased some chloroform a day or two before Alice "disappeared", and the bottle disappeared shortly after the police arrived at the estate.

    One area of research still incomplete is tracking down what happened to Anna Kuprianova after William Parsons died in 1969 in California. Also, I do not know what became of her son, Roy Cooper Parsons. He was in the Navy in 1944, and I have no inkling of where he went from there.

    I am hopeful my book on this case will be ready for publication soon, and as I learn more info, I'll post it here.

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    After just reading the first page, it sounds to me like a suicide. Imagine for a moment that Alice finds out that her husband and this housekeeper had an affair dating back before the woman even came to work at the house. It would make sense that perhaps her husband wanted a child and could not have one with his own wife, so he has an affair. Than he finds out she is pregnant, and years after decides it would be much easier to have his cake and eat it too. So he talks someone in the family into recommending this other woman. They hire her, at first Alice wants money and to start a new life, so she sends the note, than decides she doesn't want to live without her husband. Her life insurance she divides up to the child and her husband and his mistress. Back than women were usually nicey nice to each other, even if there was an affair they knew about going on so she leaves the other woman some money. And than she leave and I dunno, jumps in the river? Perhaps she was even rescued and the note saying that she died of phnemonia is the truth. If she was fished out of the river, maybe no one knew who she was, she could have been so sick, like in a coma, she could not tell anyone who she was.

    The point is, when she changed her will, etc, it sounds like she is tying up her lose ends before she dies. Like she knew her death was coming and she needed to figure out what went to whom, before she died. The only way she knew she was going to die, is if she planned on doing it herself. As I am sure she was not psychic.

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    Also money for motive does not make much sense to me. Unless the family was losing money in some fashion. Did the husband have a gamboling addiction or something? Wife out of the way I can sort of see if the child of Anna was actually his. I think he probably was. Or she may have just told him it was his. Knowing he wanted a child. Also, anyone know if these two love birds had kids after they got married? The thing is, perhaps Alice was NOT the one who was sterile as believed. If HE was the sterile one, but believed Alice was the sterile one, he may have cheated wanting a child. If Anna lied and told him, this baby is yours, or even perhaps believed it COULD be his, there was no such things as paternity tests at the time. And if he wanted a child, he may have decided that he wanted her over his wife. She could provide something he believed his own wife could not.


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    Wait a minute, no body. They can't test a body damn it. She started getting sick, right? That's when the housekeeper came into the home to help take care of the sick wife. I remember reading something about a case similar. Hold on one second. Too bad we do not have a body to comfirm.

    Some nasty side effects from chloroform include nausea, vomiting, liver and kidney damage from metabolism of chloroform to other nasty substances. It can give you terrible headaches, like those of someone who gets migraines, and can make you feel disoriented and dizzy, tired most of the time, and can even make your limbs shake. And if you breathe too much chloroform and not enough oxygen, or if your breathing slows down too much and you don't get rid of enough carbon dioxide or get enough oxygen, then you could very well die from it.

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    If they kept Alice sick in order for the housekeeper to come into the home, and than one day went a little too far...

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    Update on Alice Parsons

    My seemingly never-ending research on Alice Parsons has turned up some info I wanted to post here.

    I have long wondered if William Parsons (Alice's husband) had any prior involvement with Anna Kuprianova, the Russian housekeeper. It was difficult to determine how she came to be in the employ of the Parsons - one source said she was referred by the NY YWCA, another says she met the Parsons at a party. After exhaustive research, I have learned that Anna Kuprianova worked for Mary Parsons, William's sister, prior to working for William and Alice. William and his sister were very close, and I find it impossible to believe that he and Anna didn't cross paths a few times before she began working for them. Whether or not they began an affair early on, we'll probably will never know.

    Another interesting point - in 1961, a note was received by the Stony Brook police with directions to Alice's burial site, located not far from her home. Although a body was never found, I think the timing of this note is interesting - William Parsons, her husband, died from Parkinsons disease just a few months after that. I wonder if his conscience got the better of him, leading him to write the note.

    One final tidbit - I have uncovered a newspaper article stating that the handwriting on the ransom notes was identified, but I can't find a follow up identifying the person. However, a few days later Alice's brothers insisted that Anna Kuprianova leave the Parsons estate for "unspecified reasons." I definitely plan to delve into that further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilynilpa View Post
    My seemingly never-ending research on Alice Parsons has turned up some info I wanted to post here.

    I have long wondered if William Parsons (Alice's husband) had any prior involvement with Anna Kuprianova, the Russian housekeeper. It was difficult to determine how she came to be in the employ of the Parsons - one source said she was referred by the NY YWCA, another says she met the Parsons at a party. After exhaustive research, I have learned that Anna Kuprianova worked for Mary Parsons, William's sister, prior to working for William and Alice. William and his sister were very close, and I find it impossible to believe that he and Anna didn't cross paths a few times before she began working for them. Whether or not they began an affair early on, we'll probably will never know.

    Another interesting point - in 1961, a note was received by the Stony Brook police with directions to Alice's burial site, located not far from her home. Although a body was never found, I think the timing of this note is interesting - William Parsons, her husband, died from Parkinsons disease just a few months after that. I wonder if his conscience got the better of him, leading him to write the note.

    One final tidbit - I have uncovered a newspaper article stating that the handwriting on the ransom notes was identified, but I can't find a follow up identifying the person. However, a few days later Alice's brothers insisted that Anna Kuprianova leave the Parsons estate for "unspecified reasons." I definitely plan to delve into that further.
    Very interesting about the note in 1961. You've done some exhaustive research on this case and have come up with some good tidbits. I hope you still plan to publish a book about the case. Thanks for the update.

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    Very Interesting. Nice Research Marilyn. I have never been very good at researching things so I really admire that ability in other people. Just out of curiousity how were able to find out about the letter and the fact that Anna worked for Williams sister previously.

    Do you think it is possible Alice was aware William and Anna were involved and allowed it to happen? Some women will do anything if they think it will make their husbands happy so out of loyalty and fear he would divorce her she let the affair happen and kept quiet....?
    It is possible that Anna killed Alice without Williams help and William covered for her.
    Without a doubt I am sure one or both of them were involved.

    It is definitely not a good sign that they married so soon after Alice's disappearence but it does happen. My ex-boyfriend's best friend committed suicide at the age of 20 in the house he shared with his girlfrined. Two yrs later my ex-bf and the 'widow' were married with a baby on the way.....

    Back o/t - Marilyn do you happen to have any pictures of Alice, Anna and/or Willam? Is Roy still alive today?
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