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    Fiber evidence discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist;1645800 - topic transfer from IDI thread
    I'll look into it, too. (I should know by now to have my sources backed up BEFORE posting! )

    Yes, LS had his theory about the brown fibers coming from work gloves, but that doesn't mean the fibers weren't there. And, like so many other pieces of evidence in this case, doesn't directly point to either the Ram's OR an intruder.

    I'll look through my bookmarks.

    Wow, did you beat me to it, or what?? Thanks.
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    Mist - I see the carpeting on the floor in the basement outside the wine cellar is brown. Wish Smit had been more descriptive with his fiber. Check the page four "Photos" listed at www.realsundancekid.com .

    I'm still trying to find reference to what trousers John wore that night. I wonder what Burke wore? That's never been mentioned to my knowledge.

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    Another thing I wonder about is was there or was there not a fiber from the basement found on the bat outside the door?

    I ran across something else that I find interesting, but haven't heard much discussion about. From the warrant dated 12/26, (you can find this at ACR) from the items removed from the body, it says a "piece of paper." Anyone remember hearing anything about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Mist - I see the carpeting on the floor in the basement outside the wine cellar is brown. Wish Smit had been more descriptive with his fiber. Check the page four "Photos" listed at www.realsundancekid.com .

    I'm still trying to find reference to what trousers John wore that night. I wonder what Burke wore? That's never been mentioned to my knowledge.
    It's stated somewhere in Thomas' book that John was wearing a pair of khakis on the morning of the 26th, but I forgot the page number. Knowing that he wore the black sweater Christmas night, it would seem that a pair of khakis would go quite nicely with this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Mist - I see the carpeting on the floor in the basement outside the wine cellar is brown. Wish Smit had been more descriptive with his fiber. Check the page four "Photos" listed at www.realsundancekid.com .

    I'm still trying to find reference to what trousers John wore that night. I wonder what Burke wore? That's never been mentioned to my knowledge.
    The color could have come from the carpet. You're right, it does have lots of brown in it. So now we have to wonder if the fibers were, indeed cotton or not?

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    Fiber on baseball bat found outside Ramsey home.

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist View Post
    Another thing I wonder about is was there or was there not a fiber from the basement found on the bat outside the door?

    I ran across something else that I find interesting, but haven't heard much discussion about. From the warrant dated 12/26, (you can find this at ACR) from the items removed from the body, it says a "piece of paper." Anyone remember hearing anything about that?
    I stole this from Forums For Justice:

    Baseball Bat

    "Judge Carnes ruled: 35 Finally, items were left behind that defendants assert they did not own. (Defs.' Br. In Supp. Of Summ. J. [67] at 18-19.) A baseball bat not owned by the Ramseys found on the north side of the house has fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF 185;.)"

    Link to (see message #4) http://66.98.176.96/~tricia/forums/showthread.php?t=4766

    I don't know a thing about the paper you mentioned, Mist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me View Post
    It's stated somewhere in Thomas' book that John was wearing a pair of khakis on the morning of the 26th, but I forgot the page number. Knowing that he wore the black sweater Christmas night, it would seem that a pair of khakis would go quite nicely with this.


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    Thanks so much, Tea. I have Thomas's book and I'll scan it later. I've about worn my eyeballs out scanning for an Internet reference to the trousers.

    I wish Smit had been more exact, but "light brown" and "khaki" sound very similar to me, especially for a description coming from a male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    I stole this from Forums For Justice:

    Baseball Bat

    "Judge Carnes ruled: 35 Finally, items were left behind that defendants assert they did not own. (Defs.' Br. In Supp. Of Summ. J. [67] at 18-19.) A baseball bat not owned by the Ramseys found on the north side of the house has fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF 185;.)"

    Link to (see message #4) http://66.98.176.96/~tricia/forums/showthread.php?t=4766

    I don't know a thing about the paper you mentioned, Mist.
    Just because the Rams say it doesn't belong to them, doesn't make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist View Post
    The color could have come from the carpet. You're right, it does have lots of brown in it. So now we have to wonder if the fibers were, indeed cotton or not?
    It looks like indoor-outdoor, which would make it acrylic I'd imagine. However, khaki pants used to be all-cotton and with the advent of perma-press, the good brands are part polyester and part cotton (I'm sure you already know this .

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    I stole this from Forums For Justice:

    Baseball Bat

    "Judge Carnes ruled: 35 Finally, items were left behind that defendants assert they did not own. (Defs.' Br. In Supp. Of Summ. J. [67] at 18-19.) A baseball bat not owned by the Ramseys found on the north side of the house has fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF 185;.)"

    Link to (see message #4) http://66.98.176.96/~tricia/forums/showthread.php?t=4766

    I don't know a thing about the paper you mentioned, Mist.
    At least that is a credible source stating there was a carpet fiber on the bat. I knew I had read it before, but couldn't remember where.

    I imagine there were no prints on that bat?

    Still doesn't point directly to an intruder or the Ram's. Could have been either one. In my mind, though, the bat had to have been in the house very recently, or the fiber wouldn't still be on there...

    Thanks for finding that, btw. I'm not doing very well in my search for information today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Just because the Rams say it doesn't belong to them, doesn't make it so.
    Excellent point. I used Carnes because I figured her version would suit more people as to quality of Internet evidence.

    I think it should go without saying that denying ownership of anything in this crime doesn't mean a hill of beans. The guilty party, whoever it may be, would lie. I think Carnes over-stepped by phrasing it as "not owned by the Ramseys." That was totally improper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Thanks so much, Tea. I have Thomas's book and I'll scan it later. I've about worn my eyeballs out scanning for an Internet reference to the trousers.

    I wish Smit had been more exact, but "light brown" and "khaki" sound very similar to me, especially for a description coming from a male.
    They sound similar to me, too. And the light-weight cotton gloves that I'm thinking of are dark brown, not light brown... I'm not sure they even come in light brown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Just because the Rams say it doesn't belong to them, doesn't make it so.
    True, true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist View Post
    At least that is a credible source stating there was a carpet fiber on the bat. I knew I had read it before, but couldn't remember where.

    I imagine there were no prints on that bat?

    Still doesn't point directly to an intruder or the Ram's. Could have been either one. In my mind, though, the bat had to have been in the house very recently, or the fiber wouldn't still be on there...

    Thanks for finding that, btw. I'm not doing very well in my search for information today.
    I agree. I still don't think that an intruder did it though, because he would have had to have carried that bat, along with rope and tape...and HIMSELF, through that tiny basement window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Excellent point. I used Carnes because I figured her version would suit more people.
    Thanks for posting that about the bat, by the way.
    "This time we get it right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMist View Post
    At least that is a credible source stating there was a carpet fiber on the bat. I knew I had read it before, but couldn't remember where.

    I imagine there were no prints on that bat?

    Still doesn't point directly to an intruder or the Ram's. Could have been either one. In my mind, though, the bat had to have been in the house very recently, or the fiber wouldn't still be on there...

    Thanks for finding that, btw. I'm not doing very well in my search for information today.
    You are very welcome, Mist.

    Ames, you're welcome too.

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