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    Quote Originally Posted by JMO8778 View Post
    bing !! I think so,too.Patsy just used something familiar to her,whatever came to mind when she wanted to sign it w/ an acronym.Much like when someone chooses a word or number familiar to them when creating a password or PIN no.
    I give "She Bears The Cross" partial weight but I am more partial to "She Bears The Crown," a crown of victory [she] shall wear (it's an old southern gospel hymn and you may have heard of it).

    Maybe it's someone's initials. Who knows. It may mean nothing but the word "Victory," in my experience, refers to a spiritual experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    I'll bet that while the R's were tested and retested, and 'people of interest' were tested and retested, there were never any suspects outside this country. This course of the investigation oddly went in the opposite direction as indicated by the RN author, even though there was no evidence that what the RN author stated was false.
    I'm sure I've misunderstood you once again because there was a lot in that ransom note that was false.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    There was no 'decision' made by the FBI that the RN was bogus. Do you have a source for this 'decision'?
    On the A&E Investigative Reports program, which aired on Aug 28, 2000, F.B.I. agent Ron Walker stated that when the F.B.I. looked at the note that morning they said it was phoney and that the child most likely would be recovered as a homicide victim. (There is no transcript for this, as far as I know although I do have it on tape and remember this part quite well.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me View Post
    On the A&E Investigative Reports program, which aired on Aug 28, 2000, F.B.I. agent Ron Walker stated that when the F.B.I. looked at the note that morning they said it was phoney and that the child most likely would be recovered as a homicide victim. (There is no transcript for this, as far as I know although I do have it on tape and remember this part quite well.)


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    yes,exactly,and around the 10th anniv. of her death,I think it was on court tv...I saw him say he'd said 'you're going to be finding her body',after reading the note.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57


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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    I give "She Bears The Cross" partial weight but I am more partial to "She Bears The Crown," a crown of victory [she] shall wear (it's an old southern gospel hymn and you may have heard of it).

    Maybe it's someone's initials. Who knows. It may mean nothing but the word "Victory," in my experience, refers to a spiritual experience.
    could be,yes,I've heard the hymn,and yes,I take Victory to mean something religious as well.
    I don't think I've ever heard of a SFF yelling VICTORY ! they would likely yell something in their own language.someone correct me if I'm wrong.can we do a poll on that? How many SFF's have you heard yell 'Victory'? raise your hand. (just kidding).
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57


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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Well, I guess my point was not only was Jacques named a French name, he also had connections to France, including his breed name. Please excuse my rambling off topic -- bichons are near and dear to my heart (yes, I do have a heart)
    I never thought you didn't have a heart
    it's an extremely cute dog,I flipped it over to Sept. and that's one's just as cute,sitting in a little child's beach chair w. an umbrella over his head.

    P.S. Please ... never tell a bichon he or she looks like a poodle. Their feelings are easily hurt and they are easily insulted.
    shhhhhh ...ok..I won't tell I don't know much about dogs,really.I have 4 cats,2 guinea pigs,one hamster,some fish and a hermit crab,but never a dog.I like them, but I have never slept well my whole life,so it would bother me greatly if one barked at night.and my husb. said he didn't want to have to worry about cleaning up the yard bf mowing.(nuff said there..lol).the cats are kind of king of the house anyway.(I own the Lion King of cats,or so he thinks he is,lol).
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57


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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me View Post
    On the A&E Investigative Reports program, which aired on Aug 28, 2000, F.B.I. agent Ron Walker stated that when the F.B.I. looked at the note that morning they said it was phoney and that the child most likely would be recovered as a homicide victim. (There is no transcript for this, as far as I know although I do have it on tape and remember this part quite well.)


    -Tea
    The whole 'FBI decision' that the RN was bogus is based on a knee-jerk remark made the same day, by one agent, even before any forensics were done? Please tell me its not so.

    I figured there had to be a report or something, that all this 'RN is bogus' is based on. It looks like the RN is back, as it has not been determined to be 'bogus' by any concerted effort at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JMO8778 View Post
    could be,yes,I've heard the hymn,and yes,I take Victory to mean something religious as well.
    I don't think I've ever heard of a SFF yelling VICTORY ! they would likely yell something in their own language.someone correct me if I'm wrong.can we do a poll on that? How many SFF's have you heard yell 'Victory'? raise your hand. (just kidding).
    The expression "Victory" and its 'revolutionary connotation harked back to foreign powers,' according to Clint VanZandt. He made no religious reference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    I'm sure I've misunderstood you once again because there was a lot in that ransom note that was false.
    Like what?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    The expression "Victory" and its 'revolutionary connotation harked back to foreign powers,' according to Clint VanZandt. He made no religious reference.
    I bet Patsy did.

    even Patsy said the note looks like a woman wrote it.
    Last edited by JMO8778; 09-04-2007 at 09:59 AM.
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Like what?
    How about she wasn't really kidnapped and taken from the home. She wasn't being watched since no one could see her in a closed room without light or windows. The Ramseys didn't follow instructions yet she wasn't beheaded as the "kidnapper" said she would be. The "kidnapper" never called the Ramseys. The "kidnappers" never really held their "daughter." JonBenet was dead before Patsy called 911 (actually dead a long, long time before that based on the state of rigor mortis noted by detectives). The "kidnapper" didn't allow John time to be rested. Her body wasn't withheld for proper burial.

    I'm not too sure, based on the things you are saying, that you have read much about this case. You'll find some great information at www.acandyrose.com and www.realsundancekid.com.

    Until then, good luck with your research.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    How about she wasn't really kidnapped and taken from the home. She wasn't being watched since no one could see her in a closed room without light or windows. The Ramseys didn't follow instructions yet she wasn't beheaded as the "kidnapper" said she would be. The "kidnapper" never called the Ramseys. The "kidnappers" never really held their "daughter." JonBenet was dead before Patsy called 911 (actually dead a long, long time before that based on the state of rigor mortis noted by detectives). The "kidnapper" didn't allow John time to be rested. Her body wasn't withheld for proper burial.

    I'm not too sure, based on the things you are saying, that you have read much about this case. You'll find some great information at www.acandyrose.com and www.realsundancekid.com.

    Until then, good luck with your research.
    This is just one claim after another. As if all these things could ever really be deduced! 'We have your daughter' doesn't mean she's taken from the home. How do you know she wasnt being watched? How do you know there was no light? How do you know that at the time of the writing, the perp did not intend to behead her if JR didn't follow instructions? The kidnapper only wanted to distract JR while they left the area. Why do you think they warned JR not to call the cops? That was the whole gist of the RN!!

    Its obvious the RN was ultimately used by the perps to delay the finding of JBR for hours and hours, while the perps left the area. Thats why they put it on the staircase. It worked, as JBR was not found until the afternoon. Without the RN she would've been found sooner.

    The RN could've been originally intended to extort JR. Its very possible this was a botched kidnapping attempt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    How do you know there was no light?
    how do you?

    The RN could've been originally intended to extort JR. Its very possible this was a botched kidnapping attempt.
    for a meager $118,000????

    or should I say $118.000.00 ?

    highly unlikely
    something to ponder:

    When the corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and the mortal have put on immortality, then shall we be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

    O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

    The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
    But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-57


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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Why do you think they warned JR not to call the cops? That was the whole gist of the RN!!
    Are you referring to "Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I., etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded"? The cops were called at 5:52 a.m., yet JonBenet had already been dead for at least six hours at that point due to the full rigor she was in at 1 p.m.

    Its very possible this was a botched kidnapping attempt
    How so? What do you think prevented him/them from getting her out of the house?


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    If the "kidnappers" were holding JBR IN THE HOUSE as the parents (supposedly) read the note just before 6am (according to PR herself)- and knowing the Rs called 911 right after AND the first officer (Officer French) arrived a few miniutes after that- by then it was light out- HOW did the "kidnappers get out of the house without being seen? If they had climbed out the window in the train room, there would have been footprints outside. There were none, and the spider web was undisturbed. The web was on TOP of the grate. Coming up from the basement to the outside (as opposed to climbing in that way) it would be impossible to see it, and so to avoid breaking it. (though I believe that would be impossible to avoid.) If they broke the web getting in- no spider in a Colorado December would remake it in time for LE to see it.
    If the Rs got home around 10pm, and JBR had time to eat the pineapple 2 hours before she died (at around midnight) plus PR claims to have stayed up a while doing last minute things for the trip, AND JR admits to staying up a while with his son- that doesn't give the kidnappers much time to get her and then hold her.
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

    This post is my constitutionally-protected opinion. Please do not copy or take it anywhere else.


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