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Thread: The ransom note - Patsy or intruder? It's all in the detail.

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    A real RN wouldn't say "listen OR read carefully". It would say- "We have your daughter. We want ____dollars. Don't call the cops. "

    Most RNs don't even say that they will call. They will call, and of course, parents will wait for that call as long as it takes.
    THIS time, we get it RIGHT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callan View Post
    I was implying that if she wrote the note fast, it would be impossible for her to not write a certain individual letter [see the letter U posting] without reverting at some stage, to her natural style. The mistakes in the ransom note, indicate that it was written fast, because if it was written slowly, the writer would obviously pre-empt any errors.
    ok now i'm following you. We obviously have completly different views on how ones writting style would behave under a time constraint. Your saying Patsy's natural writting style would naturally revert due rn being written so fast and i'm saying the opposite in that her natural writtng style would change because of the rn being written fast. i wonder who of us is correct, i guess since neither of us are experts in writting analysis, neither of us will ever know.

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    I think her writing style remained the same. The RN sounds like her Christmas newsletters. Her handwriting looks a bit shakier, but still looks like hers. I would think that writing that note, after you know your child is lying dead in the basement (and you had something to do with it) it would be highly unusual for a person's handwriting NOT to look shaky.
    I think too much is being made of the "bring-take" thing. Lots of people use bring when take is more correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    I think too much is being made of the "bring-take" thing. Lots of people use bring when take is more correct.

    Yes, that is true, but you are completely missing the point. If Patsy Ramsey was one of these 'lots of people' and that is why it is in the note, why did she not say 'bring' instead of 'taking or take' during the police interview?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    A real RN wouldn't say "listen OR read carefully". It would say- "We have your daughter. We want ____dollars. Don't call the cops. "

    Most RNs don't even say that they will call. They will call, and of course, parents will wait for that call as long as it takes.

    The reason why it was written like that, is because it was written by a crime film freak.


    Dirty Harry

    ''If we catch you talking to a stray cat ... she dies!'' [The ransom note states 'dog'.]

    ''The delivery will be exhausting ... so I advise you to be well rested.''


    Ransom

    ''... I will kill him! ... I will kill him! ... I will kill him! ...''

    Also from 'Ransom' the father character, is puzzled by why such a low amount of money is asked for.


    Ricochet

    The film contained pictures of people, with their faces crossed out.


    Seven

    A proper burial is refered to.


    Speed

    ''Don't try and grow a brain!''


    ALL these films were being shown somewhere, at the time of the murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callan View Post
    The reason why it was written like that, is because it was written by a crime film freak.


    Dirty Harry

    ''If we catch you talking to a stray cat ... she dies!'' [The ransom note states 'dog'.]
    I believe the line from Dirty Harry is "If we catch you talking to a Pekinese pissing on a lamp post, she dies".

    Seven

    A proper burial is refered to.
    John Ramsey also used the words "proper burial" during his and Patsy's interview with Bill Kurtis, which was on A&E's Aug 28, 2000 Investigative Reports


    -Tea
    Then you had reach in to unlatch the window, and if it's stuck, you just pop it open. I mean, I don't remember if I slid in face forward or a turned around. Probably turned around, turn around backwards and put your needs on the ledge here and let your feet in and then just drop down. That's probably how I would have done it? - John Ramsey during his June 1998 interrogation telling Det Lou Smit how he climbed into the basement window after he had broken it in the summer of 1996.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callan View Post
    The reason why it was written like that, is because it was written by a crime film freak.
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    Callan, I know I always seem to be at odds with you, but opposing viewpoints are often useful.

    Since John Ramsey was reading Mindhunter by John Douglas, it suggests John Ramsey was a bit of a crime buff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Charlie..and other posters, especially those of you that are IDI's...

    Take a look at this....its an enlarged version of Patsy's lower case Q...and the RN author's lower case Q, they both look like a figure 8.

    Post #7

    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...234#post153234

    Cherokee was so kind to enlarge it for us. While you are at it check out POST #5...Cherokee enlarged other letters, too, and more than the Q, were identical...I don't see how ANYBODY can look at these two posts...and STILL say that Patsy did not write that ransom note...they are in complete denial, if they do.
    I just wanted to make sure that this got noticed...it will blow you away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    I just wanted to make sure that this got noticed...it will blow you away.
    Thanks Ames for taking the time to provide this to the forum. If this does not persuade the viewer nothing ever said done or seen ever will. Bravo Ames!!

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    Patsy uses the year 1997 in her Christmas letter...

    Burke will be seeing the Orthodontist in 1997....
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Since John Ramsey was reading Mindhunter by John Douglas, it suggests John Ramsey was a bit of a crime buff.
    This was a Steve Thomas lie. Douglas took legal action, when it was claimed that his book was found in the Ramsey home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callan View Post
    This was a Steve Thomas lie. Douglas took legal action, when it was claimed that his book was found in the Ramsey home.
    Never heard THAT one before...please list your source. TIA
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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares View Post
    Thanks Ames for taking the time to provide this to the forum. If this does not persuade the viewer nothing ever said done or seen ever will. Bravo Ames!!
    You are welcome. I agree...if this doesn't do it...then NOTHING will. It is so OBVIOUS!!! Check out the P's (they are both squared off)....and the O's (they both have a little tail at the top).....in post #5. What are the chances that a person (Patsy) living in the Ramsey home...would make her P's, Q's and O's...the exact same way as the author of the RN???
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    YEP. PR wrote the note. Bet the rent.
    What similarity did you notice, DeeDee?


    -Tea
    Then you had reach in to unlatch the window, and if it's stuck, you just pop it open. I mean, I don't remember if I slid in face forward or a turned around. Probably turned around, turn around backwards and put your needs on the ledge here and let your feet in and then just drop down. That's probably how I would have done it? - John Ramsey during his June 1998 interrogation telling Det Lou Smit how he climbed into the basement window after he had broken it in the summer of 1996.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me View Post
    What similarity did you notice, DeeDee?


    -Tea
    The handwriting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    The handwriting....
    I mean, what specifically about the samples in the link from post #239?


    -Tea
    Then you had reach in to unlatch the window, and if it's stuck, you just pop it open. I mean, I don't remember if I slid in face forward or a turned around. Probably turned around, turn around backwards and put your needs on the ledge here and let your feet in and then just drop down. That's probably how I would have done it? - John Ramsey during his June 1998 interrogation telling Det Lou Smit how he climbed into the basement window after he had broken it in the summer of 1996.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me View Post
    I mean, what specifically about the samples in the link from post #239?


    -Tea
    Well, those figure-8s were pretty convincing. But I'd seen those handwriting comparisons on acandyrose years ago. I've always thought she wrote the note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    Well, those figure-8s were pretty convincing. But I'd seen those handwriting comparisons on acandyrose years ago. I've always thought she wrote the note.
    Many of us had seen these quite some time ago. I for one am blown away each time and for some it may be the first time they have seen these . Most particularly for IDI and fence sitters. The reason I believe that is after seeing the comparisons, HOW could a IDI remain an IDI and one would think it would be a great reason to come down off the fence. It is strange If God himself were to reveal who killed Jon Benet in the form of a burning bush I do believe the IDIs would scramble for their fire extinquishers. JMHO And in the words of Larry the Cable guy, Lord I am sorry for that one right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callan View Post
    This was a Steve Thomas lie. Douglas took legal action, when it was claimed that his book was found in the Ramsey home.
    Could you cite a source for your statement, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coloradokares View Post
    Many of us had seen these quite some time ago. I for one am blown away each time and for some it may be the first time they have seen these . Most particularly for IDI and fence sitters. The reason I believe that is after seeing the comparisons, HOW could a IDI remain an IDI and one would think it would be a great reason to come down off the fence. It is strange If God himself were to reveal who killed Jon Benet in the form of a burning bush I do believe the IDIs would scramble for their fire extinquishers. JMHO And in the words of Larry the Cable guy, Lord I am sorry for that one right there.
    Figure 8's amount to two circles. If the shapes get any simpler than that you'd have a dot (my those two dots look completely identical!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Figure 8's amount to two circles. If the shapes get any simpler than that you'd have a dot (my those two dots look completely identical!).
    Those were letter q. Now eleminate all those thse who do not make their q's llike that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    Never heard THAT one before...please list your source. TIA
    I know that it was something to do with items taken from the house under a warrant, but I will have to try and find it out again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ames View Post
    You are welcome. I agree...if this doesn't do it...then NOTHING will. It is so OBVIOUS!!! Check out the P's (they are both squared off)....and the O's (they both have a little tail at the top).....in post #5. What are the chances that a person (Patsy) living in the Ramsey home...would make her P's, Q's and O's...the exact same way as the author of the RN???
    And what chance of her not writing a dotted {i} in the note, that matched her writing samples?

    And what chance of her not writing a {U} in the note, that matched her writing samples?

    And what chance of her not being charged, with all this 'experts' overwhelming evidence against her?

    How very strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icedtea4me View Post
    I believe the line from Dirty Harry is "If we catch you talking to a Pekinese pissing on a lamp post, she dies".

    [b]
    John Ramsey also used the words "proper burial" during his and Patsy's interview with Bill Kurtis, which was on A&E's Aug 28, 2000 Investigative Reports


    -Tea
    I will check, but I am confident that it was - cat.

    With regard to the 'proper burial' - he was simply refering to his daughters body being withheld by the authorites. The fact that it also appeared in a film, is relevant, only in that it was another crime film quote, just like the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callan View Post

    And what chance of her not being charged, with all this 'experts' overwhelming evidence against her?

    How very strange.
    Very good chance. History tells us that.

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