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    Fencesitters & Not Guilty Post Here

    At this point and time, I firmly believe the Mccanns are guilty of killing and disposing of Maddie's body somewhere in Portugal. Although I've not kept up with this case as some others and don't have all the facts straight, up to what I've read, seen in the media, McCanns own words and body language, has led me to my conclusions thus far. They could change at anytime, as the facts and evidence continues to unfold and shared with the public.


    When I heard Ed Smart and John Walsh's interviews, I did feel on the fence for about an hour. Re-questioning my opinion and thoughts over and over in my head. Could they be railroaded? Could this be the authorities in a public or political move rush to bring this case to a new phase due to the Mccanns possibly preparing to leave tomorrow? Could it be based on good police investigation, forensics, interviews that has led to these new statuses as suspects for the parents? We've seen all these scenerios happen over and over again in the media with cases of missing persons. So relaly, it could be anything, do we have enough evidence so far to be 100% sure they are guilty of something?

    Early on in the Laci Peterson case, most all of us knew within hours and the first few days of Scottie was guilty as sin. We didn't even have a whole lot of facts, interviews and evidence but we made our minds up quick. The story Scott gave in the beginning just never made sense at all, which is the primary fact us sleuthers based our opinions on. Same thing I think with JonBenet Ramsey. What the parents had to say just didn't jive with common sense to the normal joe of a person.

    Buttt, Ed and John really keep an air of innocence in the midst of this mess. Why? Is it because their so credible as public people in our society? I think so. Ed just tore at my heart when he was speaking of the Mccanns, especially Kate and how they just couldn't possibly have harmed their child. Plus his point about not all the avenues have been utilitized in Maddies search like bringing in certain trained people to search for her. The Portugal police not allowing these highly qualified outsiders inside to help. It was a good point he made on CNN. John agreed with his outlook. I do too. John pointed out that not all the abduction theories were investigated to what he feels was a standard now used in most all cases. He also pointed out they didn't follow threw thoroughly concerning their investigation of Robert Murat,I had to agree with him again.

    Not to mention, it is still hard to believe these parents, as Ed pointed out too, are doctors, if Maddy had accidently gotten sick or hurt, they naturally and intelligently would have sought care for her by taking her to a hospital and administring medical care themselves because of their profession. Another good point which tends to make me re-think my position.

    So I'm now about 75% sure they have something to do with Maddy missing, and 25% uncertain. Another few factors is I feel if they did do this, they would of had to have done it prior to when their claiming she became missing, thus giving them time to move her. Toomuch media attention, no privacy outside their room in my opinion to move her away from the apartment after notifying the police.

    The original timeline would have to be all together wrong. Which brings me to another belief of mine. I believe something happened to her prior to the time frame the Mccanns claim.

    Their looks, body languages, all their interviews, not hardly any tears, just stress out looking, not enough pleading for her return, makes me think they did do it.





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    Question: wasn't there supposed to be a detective working on the Maddie case who 'cheated' (for want of a better word) a woman into being convicted in a similar case?
    Anyone know what happened to that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KOOL LOOK View Post
    At this point and time, I firmly believe the Mccanns are guilty of killing and disposing of Maddie's body somewhere in Portugal. Although I've not kept up with this case as some others and don't have all the facts straight, up to what I've read, seen in the media, McCanns own words and body language, has led me to my conclusions thus far. They could change at anytime, as the facts and evidence continues to unfold and shared with the public.


    When I heard Ed Smart and John Walsh's interviews, I did feel on the fence for about an hour. Re-questioning my opinion and thoughts over and over in my head. Could they be railroaded? Could this be the authorities in a public or political move rush to bring this case to a new phase due to the Mccanns possibly preparing to leave tomorrow? Could it be based on good police investigation, forensics, interviews that has led to these new statuses as suspects for the parents? We've seen all these scenerios happen over and over again in the media with cases of missing persons. So relaly, it could be anything, do we have enough evidence so far to be 100% sure they are guilty of something?

    Early on in the Laci Peterson case, most all of us knew within hours and the first few days of Scottie was guilty as sin. We didn't even have a whole lot of facts, interviews and evidence but we made our minds up quick. The story Scott gave in the beginning just never made sense at all, which is the primary fact us sleuthers based our opinions on. Same thing I think with JonBenet Ramsey. What the parents had to say just didn't jive with common sense to the normal joe of a person.

    Buttt, Ed and John really keep an air of innocence in the midst of this mess. Why? Is it because their so credible as public people in our society? I think so. Ed just tore at my heart when he was speaking of the Mccanns, especially Kate and how they just couldn't possibly have harmed their child. Plus his point about not all the avenues have been utilitized in Maddies search like bringing in certain trained people to search for her. The Portugal police not allowing these highly qualified outsiders inside to help. It was a good point he made on CNN. John agreed with his outlook. I do too. John pointed out that not all the abduction theories were investigated to what he feels was a standard now used in most all cases. He also pointed out they didn't follow threw thoroughly concerning their investigation of Robert Murat,I had to agree with him again.

    Not to mention, it is still hard to believe these parents, as Ed pointed out too, are doctors, if Maddy had accidently gotten sick or hurt, they naturally and intelligently would have sought care for her by taking her to a hospital and administring medical care themselves because of their profession. Another good point which tends to make me re-think my position.

    So I'm now about 75% sure they have something to do with Maddy missing, and 25% uncertain. Another few factors is I feel if they did do this, they would of had to have done it prior to when their claiming she became missing, thus giving them time to move her. Toomuch media attention, no privacy outside their room in my opinion to move her away from the apartment after notifying the police.

    The original timeline would have to be all together wrong. Which brings me to another belief of mine. I believe something happened to her prior to the time frame the Mccanns claim.

    Their looks, body languages, all their interviews, not hardly any tears, just stress out looking, not enough pleading for her return, makes me think they did do it.
    I'm on the fence.. I am falling to the guilty side though. I have tried very hard to keep an open mind from the very start and when I first came on the Madeleine thread (being the very FIRST thread here) I was totally pro McCann so you can imagine how hard it was for me to stay here and listen to the those against the McCann's. But as things begin to come to light I begin to agree with many posters. I do think they are crappy parents and I do think they are responsible for Madeleline's disapearance (and I can't stand Gerry), but I am still on the fence if they actually killed her. I have MANY reasons why I am not convinced yet. I am one to wait until all the evidence is in before I lay a verdict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdee View Post
    I'm on the fence.. I am falling to the guilty side though. I have tried very hard to keep an open mind from the very start and when I first came on the Madeleine thread (being the very FIRST thread here) I was totally pro McCann so you can imagine how hard it was for me to stay here and listen to the those against the McCann's. But as things begin to come to light I begin to agree with many posters. I do think they are crappy parents and I do think they are responsible for Madeleline's disapearance (and I can't stand Gerry), but I am still on the fence if they actually killed her. I have MANY reasons why I am not convinced yet. I am one to wait until all the evidence is in before I lay a verdict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brefie View Post
    Question: wasn't there supposed to be a detective working on the Maddie case who 'cheated' (for want of a better word) a woman into being convicted in a similar case?
    Anyone know what happened to that?
    I believe it was the chief and the woman was beaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpeDiem View Post
    I believe it was the chief and the woman was beaten.
    Is he working on this case? Hate to say it, but it would 'belittle' the new 'arguido' status for me.
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    I have read some where from posters who live there said that the woman was lying.That blood from her missing 8 yearold daughter was found in the fridge I believe.Supposedly mom killed her because the little girl caught mom and boyfriend.

    Now this part I am not sure about but I think moms boyfriend might have been a relative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brefie View Post
    Question: wasn't there supposed to be a detective working on the Maddie case who 'cheated' (for want of a better word) a woman into being convicted in a similar case?
    Anyone know what happened to that?
    Yes, don't know if he's on this case, I don't know any of the details, but a case is in question concerning similiar parental wrong doing. Maybe someone here can answer for ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceeaura View Post
    I have read some where from posters who live there said that the woman was lying.That blood from her missing 8 yearold daughter was found in the fridge I believe.Supposedly mom killed her because the little girl caught mom and boyfriend.

    Now this part I am not sure about but I think moms boyfriend might have been a relative
    what what what?? Holy moly.....I thought I heard from the girl's father who supported the mother? I'll have to go searching.

    Don't suppose google will find anything for 'dude that worked on another botched case in Portugal'..but I'll try
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brefie View Post
    what what what?? Holy moly.....I thought I heard from the girl's father who supported the mother? I'll have to go searching.

    Don't suppose google will find anything for 'dude that worked on another botched case in Portugal'..but I'll try
    Search for Joana Cipriano.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by colomom View Post
    Search for Joana Cipriano.....
    Thank you much!
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    In the beginning I thought the parents were negligent in leaving their kids alone, but I never suspected that they were guilty - though I don't think they are necessarily "likeable" people. I just didn't get that guilty vibe like I have with other cases. Now, in light of recent developments, I am firmly on the fence.

    However, I have always believed that Madeleine was either killed that night or shortly thereafter. I just wasn't sure by whom.

    Like many here, I'm anxiously awaiting a full list of the evidence.
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    I'm just throwing this out because I don't know if it's true.

    Diario de Noticias is a Portuguese newspaper, and one of the biggest hurdles we here at WS have had over the past 4 months is trying to figure out what kind of media we're dealing with. So I don't know if the DN is a respected paper or a rag like the National Enquirer.

    That said, I want to point out the according to the 9/08 issue of the DN, Gerry McCann has admitted to sedating Madeleine.

    http://dn.sapo.pt/2007/09/08/socieda..._madelein.html

    It's in Portuguese, but a translation of the 2nd paragraph says:

    Kate is suspected of ‘homicide by negligence and hiding the body” ( the latter constitutes a sentence of upto two years in prison). A circumstance confirmed in principle by the spokesperson Justine McGuinness who said “ the portuguese police suspect Kate of having accidently killed her child”. However, sources connected to the inquiry have revealed that Gerry has admitted to the investigators he had administed a sedative to the children on the night of May 3rd. And one of the investigation lines followed at this moment is precisely, as the DN has gathered, the hypotheis that the child was sedated with an overdose of medication.
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    I'm not ready to hold the parents responsible yet. I just don't see them killing their daughter and hiding her body that night. From what I've read, there wasn't enough time. That being said, I do find some of the McCann 's actions suspecious. So few tears during interviews make me a little nervous and the visit with the Pope is huge red flag for me. Many devout, dedicated, loving Catholics have had family members go missing and zero to nil get a visit with the Pope.

    Still, I need hard evidence for this one.

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    Until I hear more information about what evidence there really is, I'll leave mind open but I have always been very suspicious of the McCann's.

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